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spystud13
06-30-2010, 11:01 PM
good to see elvis score there. he still has a little hitch in his getalong

Missed it, what did he do?

BigOrange
06-30-2010, 11:08 PM
hell of a catch by abreu

spystud13
06-30-2010, 11:18 PM
Can we retroactively include Nippert in that deal please?!

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:20 PM
Missed it, what did he do?

he got hit by a pitch by Kazmir to start the 4th. Hit the back of his right knee

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:21 PM
Nippert is exhausting to watch

Yuk-Monkey
06-30-2010, 11:29 PM
Elvis is an amazing SS. But we all knew that already.

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:30 PM
christ, what a fucking shortstop

enjay
06-30-2010, 11:30 PM
no way elvis. that is fuckign amazing. two tough plays in a row.

spystud13
06-30-2010, 11:31 PM
Just once I'd like to know what it's like to make a throw like that second one!

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:32 PM
atta way nip nip.

Let's get some insurance

TheYoungHorn
06-30-2010, 11:33 PM
Elvis is good. Umm kay.

Yuk-Monkey
06-30-2010, 11:33 PM
Nipp is throwing strikes this outing, not nibbling like he's CJ. Not bad.

spystud13
06-30-2010, 11:35 PM
This is insane!!!!

Yuk-Monkey
06-30-2010, 11:35 PM
WTF, Vlad! 5 RBIs, 2 HR

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:35 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

TheYoungHorn
06-30-2010, 11:36 PM
Vladdy. Making the ex-lovers haters in less than two days. Balling.

RottenBananas
06-30-2010, 11:36 PM
Hell yeah vlad and josh!

enjay
06-30-2010, 11:37 PM
fucking a man!!! vladdy going nuts tonight and hamilton extends the streak!

TheYoungHorn
06-30-2010, 11:37 PM
HAMMY! yes

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:37 PM
Hamilton's hit streak is at 23, very nice. Would love to to see us get him home for a 3 run cushion

BigOrange
06-30-2010, 11:37 PM
jesus, are there better back to back hitters in baseball than vlad and hamilton?

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:38 PM
fuck yeah, e-6, we better be up by atleast 3 at the end of this

spystud13
06-30-2010, 11:39 PM
That was a REALLY lazy throw! Looks even worse after what Elvis just did last half inning...

Mr Bean
06-30-2010, 11:40 PM
Vloddy doddy we likes to poddy.

spystud13
06-30-2010, 11:40 PM
Jeez, Smoak is fucking terrible in those situations!!!!!!

u2-horn
06-30-2010, 11:41 PM
Now a win please.

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:41 PM
holy fucking shit. what the fuck, Smoak

Yuk-Monkey
06-30-2010, 11:41 PM
Josh go home!

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:43 PM
thanks a fucking lot, Smoak

TheYoungHorn
06-30-2010, 11:44 PM
Wow. Nothing out of that. That is bad.

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:52 PM
this willits dude is a fucking pest

Hagbard Celine
06-30-2010, 11:52 PM
Vlad.
En Fuego.

Soul Glo
06-30-2010, 11:57 PM
good job Frank. Let's wrap this bitch up

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 12:12 AM
Hi, win column. DAGMAR missed a good one.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 12:13 AM
Nice effort boys!!


I'll have to post my diatribe on the trade later...

Saint Austin
07-01-2010, 12:13 AM
Hello Win Column!.... bitches.

u2-horn
07-01-2010, 12:15 AM
Huge win, considering our pitching situation and the fact we usually struggle against lefties. 3-1 against the Angels so far--can't expect anything better than that.

BigOrange
07-01-2010, 12:15 AM
very nice win.

F18Mustang
07-01-2010, 12:23 AM
Tied for best record in the league.

UTCRP
07-01-2010, 12:24 AM
Nice bounce-back job by the good guys tonight. Nippert did much better than I thought he would, I still dislike him though.

TheYoungHorn
07-01-2010, 01:47 AM
Well I got a little carried away after the game tonight.

These stats are current through yesterday, so tonights game is not added. Unless it had added some of it midway through the night.

As I said I wanted to break down Mike's performance by inning and scenario to see how he performed. Here is the best I could do.

If you are not familiar with the terms, check out this glossary: WE (win expectancy): The percent chance a particular team will win based on the score, inning, outs, runners on base, and the run environment.

LI (leverage index): A measure of how important a particular situation is in a baseball game depending on the inning, score, outs, and number of players on base, created by Tom Tango.

WPA (win probability added): WPA is the difference in win expectancy (WE) between the start of the play and the end of the play. That difference is then credited/debited to the batter and the pitcher. Over the course of the season, each players’ WPA for individual plays is added up to get his season total WPA.

RE24 (runs above average by the 24 base/out states): RE24 is the difference in run expectancy (RE) between the start of the play and the end of the play. That difference is then credited/debited to the batter and the pitcher. Over the course of the season, each players’ RE24 for individual plays is added up to get his season total RE24.

LI RE WE WPA RE24
1st Inning Averages Leverage Index--0.78734177 Runs Expected--0.43265823 Win expectancy--49.07% total WPA--0.343 Total Runs Expected from start of the play to end of the play--3.8

Summary for the First Inning--Michael rakes in the first inning. He has the third highest WPA of any inning in the first, which just happens to be the lowest average LI--which makes sense being the first inning. He also puts up his highest total of RE24. Overall the first inning is a great inning for Mike, probably his best overall.

2nd Inning Averages
LI--1.158888889 RE--0.811666667 WE--0.691722222 WPA--0.354 RE24--3.38

The Second inning is also a great inning for Michael, second highest of all innings in total WPA, and second highest in RE24. The LI is higher and thus this shows that in the second, Mike comes through in a bit more important situations.

3rd Inning Averages LI--0.899433962 RE--0.536603774 WE--0.521150943 WPA--0.34 RE24--3.39

Third inning the LI falls down a bit more, but Mike's WPA stays good at .340 and his RE24 is also good.

Fourth Inning Average LI--0.885862069 RE--0.65 WE--0.588965517 WPA--0.223 RE24--3.05

His total wpa falls off a bit, but the RE24 stays very good. LI down again.

Fifth Inning Average LI--0.863555556 RE--0.550666667 WE--0.590933333 WPA--0.168 RE24--0.08

Wow, the fifth inning is a bad one for Mike, the WPA and RE24 both fall way off the charts.

Sixth Inning Average LI--0.970333333 RE--0.458 WE--54.58% WPA--0.072 RE24--0.1

As bad as the fifth was, the sixth is worse. WPA total is way, way down. RE24 total is almost nothing.

Seventh Inning Average LI--1.294 RE--0.708 WE--0.5996 WPA--0.474 RE24--0.99

Well Mike breaks the sliding late inning trend here with a good inning, and even with a high LI, but notice the RE for his situations, the average is the second highest of any inning at .708, so while he posts his best WPA total, his RE24 is not anything stellar. His WPA is a result of the situation he found himself in and actually taking care of business, not above and beyond runs expected as we notice in the RE24.

Eighth Inning Average LI--1.075714286 RE--0.490285714 WE--0.551085714 WPA-- -0.179 RE24-- -0.11

Not a good inning for Mike, as the LI stays up above 1, and the RE comes back down from the very high seventh, his WPA total completely tanks, hitting negatives, meaning he is actually hurting the Rangers win expectancy. Same with the Run Expectancy after he is done with it.

Ninth Inning Average LI--1.674347826 RE--0.486521739 WE--0.395782609 WPA-- -0.212 RE24-- 0.09

Now in the ninth, where the highest LI appears--makes sense doesn't it--Mike puts up his worst WPA total for a single inning and another bad RE24 number.

Now. Am I a sabremetric expert? Hell no. I hardly can understand most of this crap. And I probably used it wrong, but I really wanted to get a better look at something I felt in my gut--as Juan Roshington would say, so I explored it with what I could find.

That said, from this data Michael Young is god-awful in the last two innings. With high LI factors--meaning the plays are really important, and in these late inning, important situations Mike actually hurts the Ranger's chances of winning compared to averages. He also hurts their chances of scoring a run based on the situation, well technically in the ninth he helps it, but by the slimmest of margins.

On the other hand Mike is incredibly strong in the early innings, and then slowly fades into his horrible last two innings....

Except the seventh inning, where Mike actually puts up really good numbers, at least WPA total wise. Maybe a factor of both a high WE and RE in that inning, regardless Mike gets it done.

So. What to take away from all this crap. First off, I know I am in over my head with this sabermetrics, so take them for what they're worth--which probably isn't a whole lot.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 02:09 AM
Damn, these posts back-to-back are going to prove that we both have some serious OCD qualities!



Here are my random, unsolicited thoughts on our trade (Ray & a PTBNL for Molina & enough $ to make the salaries even)...


Molina's '10 stats: 202 AB, 52 H, 3 HR, 17 RBI, 14 BB, 19 K, .257/.312/.332

Treanor: 156 AB, 37 H, 5 HR, 23 RBI, 15 BB, 28 K, .237/.315/.378


Molina's CS %: 14/61, 23%

Treanor: 13/45, 29%


Pretty much no upgrade at all in any respective category!!

Having said all that, Molina will replace Ramirez on the roster, but Treanor will obviously lose some playing time.

I expect Wash to continue the 3-on, 2-off system, but Molina will receive the 3-on...


Molina's obvious baserunning deficiencies will definitely hurt us! SF has had the luxury of carrying an accomplished emergency 3rd C lately (Sandoval or Posey), because they frequently used Eli Whiteside to run for Molina late in close games.

We obviously don't really have that luxury with Treanor. Andres f'ing Blanco is now officially our emergency C!

Since Arias will actually be counted on to PR often now, I REALLY wish they would call up Gentry instead!! He's faster & less likely to do something stupid...

Losing Ray will not hurt us (he had 16 BB in 31.2), & hopefully we will call up Scheppers soon to replace him...

I'm not thrilled with going back to one lefty in our pen after having to send Harrison down to activate Beltre.


That's pretty much all I can think of now, probably more than a relatively minor trade deserves, but my position player roster concerns are well documented!!

scomce
07-01-2010, 02:35 AM
stay rowdy my friends

Drunken Mule
07-01-2010, 03:37 AM
Well, losing Ray doesn't kill me but adding Molina sure as fuck doesn't excite me!!

No shit. Now we've got like 6 scrubass catchers instead of 5. When this bullpen is fried in Aug./Sep. they'll probably be wishing they had Ray back.

enjay
07-01-2010, 08:20 AM
yeah. i definitely don't understand sending harrison down. wasn't the whole reason of starting nippert in those two 3-inning starts just to leave a lefty in the bullpen?

this trade is very obscure to me... why did we go after a mid-talent catcher? drunken mule makes the point.

Saint Austin
07-01-2010, 08:29 AM
You guys bitching about the trade have seen Max Ramirez play lately, right? As far as losing an arm goes, things shouldn't look as desperate when our guys come off the DL.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 08:34 AM
But seriously, what did we add?! I've posted our record many times since April 27, when we committed to Treanor & Ramirez. Last I checked, winning matters most...

idigTexas
07-01-2010, 08:39 AM
But seriously, what did we add?! I've posted our record many times since April 27, when we committed to Treanor & Ramirez. Last I checked, winning matters most...

If the expectation is that Molina is the 3 in the 3 on 2 off scenario, then you need to compare Teanor's stat's to Ramirez's. That will tell you what we gained. This trade doesn't knock me on my ass with excitement, but if it's a moderate upgrade, I'll take it. We won the game last night, but it sure as fucking hell wasn't becasue of Max Ramirez. It was in spite of him. I think I could steal a base on him.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 08:42 AM
Evan Grant seems to think Treanor may stay the starter, which would obviously work for me...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/070110dnsporangletterrangtop.f6d4b43d.html



In Molina, you've got a guy who is about to turn 36, who looks 40 and, by all accounts, runs like he's 80.

Well said!

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 08:48 AM
Max Ramirez's defense is horrible. The throw last night to 3B on the double steal is a perfect example. It was late and high. He has way too many passed balls. The lazy-ass passed ball in Houston was late in a one-run game. His bat is not that great. How can Molina be worse than Max?

Brad Wesley
07-01-2010, 09:12 AM
I am going to pummel the dead horse that is Vladimir Gurerro's greatness. I've said it before and will say it again, we are blessed as baseball fans to be experiencing a first-ballot HOFer in one of the better seasons of his career. What makes him great is not only his dramatic change in approach when runners are on base, but when gets his pitch he doesn't miss. Motherfucking boomstick last night. Suck it Kazmir. TAG said and I noticed it as well, when he crossed home plate he didn't have that big grin on his face. He's playing to win and he is greatness.

Great games from people I normally hate in Kinsler and Nippert. Nippert is the most nibbling, in love with his offspeed shit SOB in the bigs who happens to throw 95mph. I understand the need for secondary pitches but last night was a great example of simply overpowering those hitters with a great fastball. Forget the curveball Nippert, give em the heater.

My take on the Molina trade is that JD and Nolan feel good about the power arms we have in the bully. Nippert is the long man with Ogando, O'Day, Oliver, FF and Feliz. Not sure where Beltre/Harrison fit and it may take some time to sort the rest out. Max Ramirez has made strides but he simply has to block better.

Elvis Andrus is SO FUCKING AWESOME. When you look at his spectacular plays, almost all of them come in the 7th inning or beyond. He made the first out of the 7th look routine on a hard hit ball by Matsui up the middle then dove and stabbed a short hop to get Napoli (who I would love to have on the Rangers). Both of those guys get on in a one-run game and it's totally different. He wins games with his defense and he is just now 21 years old.

My only complaint was the 7th or 8th inning when we had 1st and 3rd no out and Hamilton didn't run home on a ground ball so they turned a double play. What a waste of a run that was. He should be running on any ground ball period because if they throw home and get him then we have 1st/2nd one out but if they turn two then we get the run. Shitty baserunning and that kind of crap against the Angels could come back to beat you.

Let's go Rangers, clap clap clap clap clap!
Let's go Rangers, clap clap clap clap clap!
Let's go Rangers, clap clap clap clap clap!
Let's go Rangers, clap clap clap clap clap!
Let's go Rangers, clap clap clap clap clap!
Let's go Rangers, clap clap clap clap clap!
Let's go Rangers, clap clap clap clap clap!

Ghost of LL
07-01-2010, 09:15 AM
I think more importantly, Molina's season has been at variance with his career stat line of .275/.308/.414. There's two ways to look at this. On the one hand, a player of Molina's age should continue to stay within ten points of his career averages, meaning he should have a very good second half. On the other, catchers are more fragile, and it could be that Molina has reached that stage in his career where his production will fall off dramatically.

jt
07-01-2010, 09:15 AM
just wanted to pop in here and give you guys some props. well, not you, but your team. i think this is what everyone saw coming, or at least WANTED to see coming, last year. good to have a winner back in the state!

Brad Wesley
07-01-2010, 09:22 AM
just wanted to pop in here and give you guys some props. well, not you, but your team. i think this is what everyone saw coming, or at least WANTED to see coming, last year. good to have a winner back in the state!

jt, much appreciated. as a ranger fan we are used to such ridiculous highs and lows. we get the carrot put in front of our face only to get kicked square in the nuts. please note that posting pictures of hot bitches or discussing balls out partying on lake austin is 100% acceptable on this thread.

Drunken Mule
07-01-2010, 09:26 AM
Max Ramirez's defense is horrible. The throw last night to 3B on the double steal is a perfect example. It was late and high. He has way too many passed balls. The lazy-ass passed ball in Houston was late in a one-run game. His bat is not that great. How can Molina be worse than Max?

This is a meh trade all in all. Yeah, Molina's better than Max IF he's got anything left in the tank. He may be more productive by playing less than he did in SF. I just happened to like Ray quite a bit and this bullpen's been rode pretty hard in the first half. They may not be done making moves, so the jury's out, but if they give up anything of significance for Molina other than Ray, it's a screwup.

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 09:34 AM
This is a meh trade all in all. Yeah, Molina's better than Max IF he's got anything left in the tank. He may be more productive by playing less than he did in SF. I just happened to like Ray quite a bit and this bullpen's been rode pretty hard in the first half. They may not be done making moves, so the jury's out, but if they give up anything of significance for Molina other than Ray, it's a screwup.

You're right, Ray was more than adequate. He throws mid-90's and has serious action on his fastball. Luckily we have Ogando, Scheppers, Moscoso, and Strop--so I'm not really that worried here. And Ogando had stepped into the Ray role lately.

PTNL could be a huge kick in the balls here for me. I'm not really excited about the trade. I just can't stand bad defense at the plate. We can't have teams running all over us and taking extra bases on passed balls in a pennant race.

DAGMAR
07-01-2010, 09:56 AM
2010 Vlad through June: 18 HRs, 68 RBIs, 27 Ks, .339 AVG
2004 MVP Vlad through June: 19 HRs, 68 RBIs, 38 Ks, .344 AVG

I know this isnt possible because douche bag sports writers will not vote for a DH, but he deserves the MVP if the season ended today.

Brad Wesley
07-01-2010, 10:11 AM
i don't disagree but miggy cabrera and cano have have strong cases as well.

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 10:18 AM
.............and don't forget Jeter.

Brad Wesley
07-01-2010, 10:24 AM
ha ha.

Longhorn Al
07-01-2010, 10:33 AM
Treanor + Ramirez
.231
25 runs
7 doubles
7 homers
31 rbi

Treanor + Molina
.249
34 runs
11 doubles
8 homers
40 rbi

Ramirez does walk at a higher rate than Molina.

Ramirez is a .988 fielder that has thrown out 5/29 base stealers. Molina is a .998 fielder that has thrown out 14/47.

idigTexas
07-01-2010, 10:43 AM
Treanor + Ramirez
.231
25 runs
7 doubles
7 homers
31 rbi

Treanor + Molina
.249
34 runs
11 doubles
8 homers
40 rbi

Ramirez does walk at a higher rate than Molina.

Ramirez is a .988 fielder that has thrown out 5/29 base stealers. Molina is a .998 fielder that has thrown out 14/47.

And Molina's run totals and RBI opportunities should go up in a more potent lineup.

CutTheCrackJack
07-01-2010, 10:48 AM
i don't disagree but miggy cabrera and cano have have strong cases as well.

What do josh hamiltons numbers look like comparitively?

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 11:07 AM
What do josh hamiltons numbers look like comparitively?

Let's see... (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=josh+hamilton+stats&l=1)

Pretty fucking good actually.

ludosc
07-01-2010, 11:22 AM
Rangers in the top 10 of MLB Stats

Batting Average
Josh Hamilton: .343 (4th)
Vlad: .339 (5th)

Runs Scored
Michael Young: 55 (5th)
Elvis Andrus: 54 (6th)
Josh: 52 (T-7th)
Vlad: 51 (10th)

Hits
Josh: 103 (3rd)
MY: 102 (T-4th)
Vlad: 96 (T-8th)

Doubles
MY: 24 (T-1st)
Josh: 23 (T-7th)

Triples
Julio Borbon: 4 (T-3rd)

Home Runs:
Vlad: 18 (T-5th)
Josh: 18 (T-5th)

RBI's
Vlad: 68 (T-1st)
Josh: 58 (3rd)

Stolen Bases
Elvis: 22 (8th)

Walks
N/A

Fewest K's (among qualified hitters)
Vlad: 27 (7th)
Julio: 28 (8th)

On Base Percentage
Ian Kinsler: .389 (8th)

Slugging Percentage
Josh: .613 (3rd)
Vlad: .580 (5th)

OPS
Josh: 1.000 (3rd)
Vlad: .962 (6th)

F18Mustang
07-01-2010, 11:23 AM
"The Rangers have a team that is good enough to get to the World Series"-Tim Kurkjian

idigTexas
07-01-2010, 11:26 AM
"The Rangers have a team that is good enough to get to the World Series"-Tim Kurkjian

Well fuck, there goes that. We are much better under the radar. As soon as the talking heads start to believe, we turn to shit.

Duck of Death
07-01-2010, 11:31 AM
tim's opinion is shit. he says we can win the AL with the guys we have, which would mean beating minny, nyy, bos, those guys. but when we get to the series, we can't beat whatever nl team we face unless we trade for lee or oswalt? wtf? if we're good enough to win the al, we're good enough to win the whole thing.

BigOrange
07-01-2010, 11:37 AM
yeah i think hamilton is more of an mvp candidate than vlad.

Amber Lamps
07-01-2010, 11:55 AM
Molina is an upgrade over Ramirez for the Pinch hitting aspect alone. He is a career .275 hitter who hit 20 HRs last season. Hell, he was batting cleanup for SF imagine what he would do with this lineup which has a great OBP.

u2-horn
07-01-2010, 12:20 PM
MY's RBI total this season in pretty salty. He's got 51 in 77 games. He's only gotten >100 once, in 2006 (103).

ludosc
07-01-2010, 01:07 PM
"The Rangers have a team that is good enough to get to the World Series"-Tim Kurkjian

That should read, "the June Texas Rangers have a team that is good enough to get to the World Series"

tap the brakes until September gets here and we've gotten through July & August's schedule...

btw, our magic number is now 80

Brad Wesley
07-01-2010, 01:23 PM
TAG said last night that something like 1 of every 5 games we play from here on out is vs the Angels. This thing is FAR from over but I like what I'm seeing.

I hate to bring this up because Wash pisses me off but I hate to give him all the blame when we suck and none of the credit when we win. Regardless of his shortfalls, the guys play hard and play to win every day. Is that Ron or the clubhouse we've built? Hard to say but last night we fell behind 3-0 with a rookie making his 1st big league appearance and we somehow came back to win. That was a gut check and I think some of the credit has to go to Wash. I hate myself for typing this.

DAGMAR
07-01-2010, 01:28 PM
"The Rangers have a team that is good enough to get to the World Series"-Tim Kurkjian

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/12/ANDY%20SAM%20JIZZ.jpg

Ranger_Red
07-01-2010, 01:40 PM
TAG said last night that something like 1 of every 5 games we play from here on out is vs the Angels. This thing is FAR from over but I like what I'm seeing.

I hate to bring this up because Wash pisses me off but I hate to give him all the blame when we suck and none of the credit when we win. Regardless of his shortfalls, the guys play hard and play to win every day. Is that Ron or the clubhouse we've built? Hard to say but last night we fell behind 3-0 with a rookie making his 1st big league appearance and we somehow came back to win. That was a gut check and I think some of the credit has to go to Wash. I hate myself for typing this.
I honestly think it is the club house. The Rangers have gotten rid of a lot of knuckleheads from the last couple of years (see dumb ass with the dodgers), and added Vlad which all of the players love. Hamilton even made a point of commenting on it after the game that Vlad has been a great addition as far as team chemistry goes especially with all of the young latin players on the team. If you ever notice in dugout shots Vlad, Nellie and Andrus are always together having a good time when they are in the dugout.

Ghost of LL
07-01-2010, 01:51 PM
Molina is an upgrade over Ramirez for the Pinch hitting aspect alone. He is a career .275 hitter who hit 20 HRs last season. Hell, he was batting cleanup for SF imagine what he would do with this lineup which has a great OBP.
And the thing that I especially like about Molina as a guy down the order or as a pinch hitter is that he doesn't strike out. Over his career, he strikes out once every 11 plate appearances. He's on about that pace this season.

Compare that with other guys on our roster--Hamilton strikes out once every 5 PA's; Vladdie once every 9; Face once every 6; and Kins once every 8. And then there's Ramirez at one strikeout every 3.8 plate appearances.

That's something that we've had real problems with this season--guys in the 3-6 spots get on base and into scoring position and the guys at the bottom of the order can't even put the ball in play to advance them. Sending Davis down has helped; Borbon heating up and been terrific. But this is an ongoing problem that Molina hopefully helps address.

Brad Wesley
07-01-2010, 01:58 PM
all i want from the bottom of the order/molina is a tough out. they don't have to be world beaters but damn it make the pitcher throw strikes and foul off some pitches. give me some 5-7 pitch at-bats that wear the starter down. give me an occassional leadoff double or walk and play some freaking defense. is that really too much to ask?

tokamak
07-01-2010, 03:49 PM
the PTBNL deal in the Molina deal is Michael Main

what the fuck are we thinking?

Chachi1004
07-01-2010, 04:07 PM
the PTBNL deal in the Molina deal is Michael Main

what the fuck are we thinking?

Agree. If this is true then I suddenly hate this trade. Main seems like a future #2 or #3 starter and dealing him for a 36 year old catcher makes no sence to me. Dude was killing it in AAA. Jon....We need to talk.

Chachi1004
07-01-2010, 04:12 PM
Agree. If this is true then I suddenly hate this trade. Main seems like a future #2 or #3 starter and dealing him for a 36 year old catcher makes no sence to me. Dude was killing it in AAA. Jon....We need to talk.

Ok...Nevermind...My Bad. I confused Michael Main with Michael Kirkman. Mr Main....Goodbye and have a nice day.

In10se D
07-01-2010, 04:41 PM
To me this means they've given up on Saltalamacchia. F'n sucks.

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 04:48 PM
^^^Na, we just need a better defensive catcher who's good with our young staff. I might have given up on Salty, but I don't think the Franchise has.

I think what he pulled with his throwing and not letting Wash and franchise know was pretty shitty. I want Salty to get it together mainly so we can trade him. His injuries, the ego shit, and now the bitching about a trade are a little bit too much for me.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 04:48 PM
Molina is a .998 fielder that has thrown out 14/47.

He's thrown out 14/61 (23%); 47 have been successful against him...



Here's Newberg's take on Main:


The 21-year-old Main, the second of the Rangers’ five first-round picks in 2007 (drafted after Blake Beavan but before Julio Borbon, Tommy Hunter, and Neil Ramirez), was 5-3, 3.45 in 15 starts for High A Bakersfield this season. He had been promoted to Frisco earlier this week but had yet to make his AA debut. If the report is true, Main accompanies righthander Chris Ray in the deal that will bring Molina to Texas.

Main (number one on my pitching breakout list last year, and number two on my list this year, behind Tanner Scheppers) came into the season with a career mark of 9-10, 4.39 in 37 starts and two relief appearances. While he’s not on the top tier of the Rangers’ pitching prospects, he is a prospect, seemingly fully healthy for the first time as a pro, and common sense would dictate that his inclusion was agreed upon only because San Francisco is adding cash to the trade so that it doesn’t impact the Rangers’ 2010 payroll.

enjay
07-01-2010, 05:04 PM
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100701&content_id=11802376&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

^newberg's column today details the absolute mammoth one-sided trade of teixeira to the braves and subsequently, their fucking up again in trading him to the angels. it's more or less about prince fielder, but it kind of hits home with all the cliff lee talks.


Prince Fielder isn't the player that Mark Teixeira is, but even if he were, implicit in Olney's observation is that giving up a loaded package of prospects for a hitter -- even one as accomplished as Teixeira or Fielder -- and even in exchange for a season and a half from the player just wouldn't be a very good bet.

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 05:05 PM
Rangers may go up for auction, MLB president confirms (http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2010/06/28/daily40.html)

This might end up being a really epic battle. Doesn't sound like Jul 9 hearing will be end... but what do I know. I'll wait for LL to translate this for me.

UTinBigD
07-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Rangers may go up for auction, MLB president confirms (http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2010/06/28/daily40.html)

This might end up being a really epic battle. Doesn't sound like Jul 9 hearing will be end... but what do I know. I'll wait for LL to translate this for me.

damn, i wish they could settle it soon. But there are a lot of forces from Crane to the creditors putting a lot of resources to break this deal back open.

DAGMAR
07-01-2010, 05:40 PM
the PTBNL deal in the Molina deal is Michael Main

what the fuck are we thinking?

This trade now officially sucks shit through a straw

spystud13
07-01-2010, 05:41 PM
^^^ Yessir!

spystud13
07-01-2010, 05:48 PM
Molina won't join until tomorrow, & Strop was called up today to replace Ray...

F18Mustang
07-01-2010, 06:07 PM
Molina won't join until tomorrow, & Strop was called up today to replace Ray...

Damn, I was hoping they would call Scheppers up.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 06:10 PM
^^^ Me too, but we'll see him sometime after the break I assume.

Ogando, Strop, Scheppers, Feliz... Fucking nice!

F18Mustang
07-01-2010, 06:42 PM
^^^ Me too, but we'll see him sometime after the break I assume.

Ogando, Strop, Scheppers, Feliz... Fucking nice!

Plus Oliver and Franky. GTFO Nippert....

CutTheCrackJack
07-01-2010, 06:56 PM
I sure don't like 9pm start times. I am sleepy the next day!

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 07:04 PM
I sure don't like 9pm start times. I am sleepy the next day!

This. CJ works quick but the nibbling negates it, and extra innings would suck. But I love this series, though.

244335
07-01-2010, 07:10 PM
Try staying up until midnight or later watching the games while managing your anxiety with "nervous medicine" (beer and tequila) and then being productive the next day...

Let's take this series tonight!

Genco
07-01-2010, 07:23 PM
Try staying up until midnight or later watching the games while managing your anxiety with "nervous medicine" (beer and tequila) and then being productive the next day...

Let's take this series tonight!

AT&T has 90 minutes to unfuck the massive U-verse outage. If I miss this game I am going to be pissed.

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 08:06 PM
AT&T has 90 minutes to unfuck the massive U-verse outage. If I miss this game I am going to be pissed.

Good luck. I had to watch the Big XII Championship game at my neighbors house because of Uverse.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 08:10 PM
C Bengie Molina is expected to join the Rangers Friday when they begin a 10-game homestand leading up to the All-Star break. Expect to see him behind the plate for most of those games.

Manager Ron Washington essentially installed Molina as the Rangers new starting catcher, though he added Treanor would "still get his time."

"[Molina] isn't coming here to be the backup; his role will be expanded," Washington said. "We had an opportunity to get Bengie Molina and upgrade our catching. We were trying to improve ourselves. We weren't 'crying' for help. Matt's still going to get his time. But we had a chance to get a front-line catcher."

Even before Washington announced Molina's role, Treanor, who is starting behind the plate for the 45th time this season, was resigned to seeing his playing time diminish. And he was fine with it.

"I'm just going to continue with the same attitude," said Treanor, who has never started more than 60 games in a season. "Getting an opportunity to play in the post-season is my ultimate goal. With this group of guys, that chance is coming along. I'm just going to let things fall into place. If I do what I know how to do and let everybody else do what they know how to do, I I think we can reach that goal. The only thing I'm selfish about is getting a chance to reach the post-season. We've only helped that."

Here are the lineups. LHP C.J. Wilson (6-3, 3.35 ERA) faces off against Los Angeles' RHP Jered Weaver (7-3, 3.01 ERA) as the Rangers try to extend their streak of consecutive series won to nine.


RANGERS

SS Elvis Andrus
3B Michael Young
2B Ian Kinsler
DH Vladimir Guerrero
CF Josh Hamilton
RF Nelson Cruz
LF David Murphy
1B Justin Smoak
C Matt Treanor


ANGELS

SS Erick Aybar
2B Howie Kendrick
RF Bobby Abreu
CF Torii Hunter
1B Mike Napoli
DH Hideki Matsui
C Jeff Mathis
3B Brandon Wood
LF Reggie Willits



Good attitude as expected from Matt...

gsoda3
07-01-2010, 08:35 PM
i'm convinced we won't be able to go deep into the playoffs until we get a roof on our stadium. every year our arms wilt beginning in late july, early august. i think too many innings in the texas sun is the root cause.

bentleybrau
07-01-2010, 08:51 PM
Rangers may go up for auction, MLB president confirms (http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2010/06/28/daily40.html)

This might end up being a really epic battle. Doesn't sound like Jul 9 hearing will be end... but what do I know. I'll wait for LL to translate this for me.

Lone Star Ball and Evan Grant seem to think that it could be good for Greenberg. July 9 hearing is also back to July 22.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 08:56 PM
Wonder why Molina couldn't make it from Col to LA for tonight's game? Ray is available in their bullpen tonight...

spystud13
07-01-2010, 09:04 PM
Quick article from LAA's site...


Rangers third baseman Michael Young has spent most of his career at shortstop, giving him uncommon expertise in evaluating how the position is played. He looks at teammate Elvis Andrus and the Angels' Erick Aybar as similarly dynamic performers destined to give their clubs quality performance for years to come.

"They're very similar, pretty comparable," Young said. "Both hit at the top of the order and run well. Both play a premium position defensively with good range and arm strength. The sky's the limit for both these guys. Their teams are in real good shape at shortstop, probably for a long time to come."

Andrus, a Venezuela native who turns 22 on Aug. 26, carries 200 pounds on a 6-foot frame. He is batting .296 with 52 runs scored in 73 games. He has 22 steals in 31 attempts and owns a .378 on-base percentage. He has committed nine errors in 73 games, demonstrating Gold Glove talents.

Aybar, coming around to top form after a slow start and a knee injury that sidelined him for a week and a half, is batting .273 with a .336 OBP. The 26-year-old Dominican Republic product, smaller than Andrus at 5-10 and 170 pounds, has 11 steals in 16 attempts and has made nine errors in 68 games, also showing Gold Glove skills.

"Andrus has made huge strides in a short amount of time," Angels manager Mike Scioscia said. "Erick took a while, like a Thoroughbred, to get himself under control. You're looking at two of the premier shortstops in all of baseball, certainly at the defensive end.

"They're vital to their teams. During the 10, 11 days Erick was sidelined, we felt that impact. I'm sure Ronny [Washington, Texas manager] would feel the same if Andrus was out for any period of time."

bentleybrau
07-01-2010, 09:05 PM
Wonder why Molina couldn't make it from Col to LA for tonight's game? Ray is available in their bullpen tonight...

Maybe you missed the fact that he's very slow.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 09:07 PM
^^^ Well done!!

spystud13
07-01-2010, 09:17 PM
Actually SF was at home last night, so this makes even less sense...

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 09:50 PM
Nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble

spystud13
07-01-2010, 10:04 PM
Take the fucking mustard off Elvis!!!! Absolutely NO reason to flip that ball like that!

spystud13
07-01-2010, 10:07 PM
Darin Erstad is the trivia answer...

spystud13
07-01-2010, 10:16 PM
1st & 2nd, 0 outs, Josh up... Big inning here boys!!!!

DAGMAR
07-01-2010, 10:17 PM
Sweet. The first pitch I see is a strike call a foot outside

244335
07-01-2010, 10:21 PM
Fuck! It's too early in the game and I've already reached my quota of nerve tonic. I might have to dip into the reserves to help pull this one out tonight. I have a 7am conference call followed by a 12 hr drive to FL...

I hope this ump buys CJ dinner after the game since he's already fucked him at least twice.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 10:22 PM
Nice AB Nellie! From 3-0 to sit down...

DAGMAR
07-01-2010, 10:22 PM
Cmon. Someone not named Vlad needs to get a big hit a some point

Duck of Death
07-01-2010, 10:32 PM
was darin erstad the actual trivia answer? i was thinking robin yount but i knew that those things usually involve the teams playing.

also, anyone else find it a bit humorous that the angels have a black guy named howie and a white guy named reggie?

spystud13
07-01-2010, 10:37 PM
Yount only won one GG at SS, he won MVP at two different positions though...

bentleybrau
07-01-2010, 10:42 PM
was darin erstad the actual trivia answer? i was thinking robin yount but i knew that those things usually involve the teams playing.

also, anyone else find it a bit humorous that the angels have a black guy named howie and a white guy named reggie?


Yup. Erstad in OF and 1B.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 10:43 PM
Erstad actually won at three positions (LF, CF, 1B), but OF GGs are obviously not counted that way.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 10:52 PM
This game sucks...

Duck of Death
07-01-2010, 10:53 PM
single and double again. two might be enough tonight the way weaver is going.

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 10:53 PM
Ogando please. Thanks.

Yuk-Monkey
07-01-2010, 10:57 PM
Twice this year we've busted the squeeze.

u2-horn
07-01-2010, 11:13 PM
Bye bye streak.

F18Mustang
07-01-2010, 11:28 PM
Damn, Weaver has pitched really well.

bentleybrau
07-01-2010, 11:36 PM
If we're going to get it done, it's here.

bentleybrau
07-01-2010, 11:37 PM
This will probably be the one time IK doesn't hit a moon ball.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 11:40 PM
Come on Vlad!!!!

spystud13
07-01-2010, 11:42 PM
Well we got a break, now let's make it hurt!

Duck of Death
07-01-2010, 11:42 PM
can't believe blue called that

Soul Glo
07-01-2010, 11:42 PM
can't believe they called that

beer
07-01-2010, 11:43 PM
come on Nelly.....eeets tien

Soul Glo
07-01-2010, 11:43 PM
one time cruz

beer
07-01-2010, 11:46 PM
heh, japanese fans with cameras

beer
07-01-2010, 11:46 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuk

spystud13
07-01-2010, 11:46 PM
Jesus fuck!!!!!!

DAGMAR
07-01-2010, 11:46 PM
Are you fucking kidding me?

Soul Glo
07-01-2010, 11:46 PM
goddamit, score on that

Soul Glo
07-01-2010, 11:47 PM
fuck fart fall down

DAGMAR
07-01-2010, 11:48 PM
Vlad is the only clutch hitter on our team. Nellie got 3 fucking fastballs right down the middle there

spystud13
07-01-2010, 11:48 PM
Face was flat-footed as fuck!!!! That was just the definition of lazy! Rodney ain't Rivera, the possibility of a WP is always there!!

Soul Glo
07-01-2010, 11:48 PM
about a 1 percent chance Nelly would get a hit after that failure to score

UTCRP
07-01-2010, 11:49 PM
Fucking Face, standing flat footed 3 feet from the bag as the ball is thrown. Being lazy may have fucked us out of a win. Mental mistake at the worst time.

UTCRP
07-01-2010, 11:49 PM
Face was flat-footed as fuck!!!! That was just the definition of lazy! Rodney ain't Rivera, the possibility of a WP is always there!!
Just read your post, I completely agree

Duck of Death
07-01-2010, 11:51 PM
true about young. but that last pitch to cruz was damn near unhittable. 96 and moving in on the hands.

spystud13
07-01-2010, 11:52 PM
Murphy/Smoak/Treanor doesn't give me a lot of hope, esp. with lefty Fuentes coming in...

beer
07-01-2010, 11:54 PM
god that would be a cool name, Lefty Fuentes

spystud13
07-01-2010, 11:57 PM
Damn, Ogando is good!



Come on boys, let's scratch one somehow!!

Soul Glo
07-01-2010, 11:57 PM
Ogando is sick

244335
07-01-2010, 11:57 PM
Michael Young likely just lost this game for us. Fucking 2 outs and he doesn't try to score from 3rd on a ridiculously wild pitch? Are you fucking kidding me????

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCC CCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soul Glo
07-01-2010, 11:58 PM
that's one where you just go. Nobody is going to blame you for getting thrown out trying to score there

spystud13
07-02-2010, 12:01 AM
^^^ Yeah, but you actually have to be awake, paying attention, & thinking ahead for that to happen. Face was none of those!!

beer
07-02-2010, 12:01 AM
shit

beer
07-02-2010, 12:01 AM
fuck

Soul Glo
07-02-2010, 12:02 AM
damn, i thought smoak might have gotten one

spystud13
07-02-2010, 12:02 AM
Quit hitting the ball to dead center Justin...

spystud13
07-02-2010, 12:02 AM
Shitty game & series...

beer
07-02-2010, 12:02 AM
piss mutherfucker tits balls

Soul Glo
07-02-2010, 12:03 AM
well shitbricks.

oh well....this series is a microcosm for the next 2 months. This is going to be a dogfight

Duck of Death
07-02-2010, 12:04 AM
josh doesn't look like he's seing the ball well. his hot streak may be done. hope he just falls back to around .300 instead of .150

DAGMAR
07-02-2010, 12:05 AM
I have a bad feeling about the Angels. They know how to win divisions. We do not

F18Mustang
07-02-2010, 12:09 AM
Gah, took that one on the chin. We're still good, 3.5 up still.

Drunken Mule
07-02-2010, 12:21 AM
josh doesn't look like he's seing the ball well. his hot streak may be done. hope he just falls back to around .300 instead of .150

Cruz has no clue up there right now, either. He's yet to get back in the groove from the last trip to the DL. If he's sucking, that's going to affect the pitches Ham's going to see. Extremely frustrating game, just like Tuesday. Could have easily blown their asses right out of the water.

orange_xpress
07-02-2010, 12:26 AM
uggh. could've swept, instead win 1 outta 3. Good news is on the horizon, though. 10 game homestand against Chi, Clev and Baltimore, then the All-Star break. I expect to go 7-3 over that stretch, with a chance to do better. Hell even 6-4 would put Texas at 53-34 going to the break. 19 games over at the break has RARELY happened to Texas. Maybe not ever. I have no idea.

After the break, it's @Fenway for 4 games against a very, very beatup squad. I like our position right now.

enjay
07-02-2010, 08:37 AM
just a thought or two.

michael young severly fucked us by not going home on that passed ball. once they showed a broader angle of home and third, i could see how he thought the ball was bouncing straight back to home. however, in the eighth inning, with 2 outs and down by 1, i feel that you cannot hesitate there, especially with someone like rodney pitching. your first instinct must be to go. off all the goddamned times we've been thrown out on the bases with stupid running mistakes, i would have been okay with that one if the bounce would have come straight back off the wall.

hamilton did not see the ball. at all in that game. at all.

i can't believe that ump called kendrick off of the bag in the 8th. wow. serious judgement call. i can't believe sciosca didn't throw more of a tirade.

1 out of 3 isn't going to kill us at this point. hopefully we get these shit series out of the way before august and after.

Brad Wesley
07-02-2010, 08:54 AM
i didn't see the end of the game but that seems like a tough loss. one thing's for sure, jared weaver was just awesome last night. how many times did he miss the glove? just try to remember how many times the catcher literally never moved the glove and he stuck it right there. the two best performances i've seen from a pitcher this year in terms of command was weaver last night and cliff lee the last time Sea was at the temple. it's tough to do anything against a pitcher when he's on like that.

no reason to get all pissy. we had a chance to win and lose every one of those games. against the angels it's going to come down to who can take the extra base, who can prevent the extra base, who can execute situational hitting and who wants it more. they took 2 of 3 at their house in july. big fucking deal. we will see plently more of them and if we are going to be worth a shit this year we will have to beat them. i respect the angels, but i don't fear them anymore. fuck em, bring it on. this team ain't scared.

Duck of Death
07-02-2010, 08:56 AM
on the bright side, it was nice to see vlad the ranger roll in to aneheim and destroy their pitching instead of the other way around

Yuk-Monkey
07-02-2010, 09:04 AM
I agree with what CJ said today, this team is better than the Angels. And I'll go further, I'm okay with him saying it. We hit their ace and almost won. We did win with Beltre in his first start. And it took a miracle to beat our 5th starter who will likely be in middle/long relief by August. All of this in their house. Next, they come to the Temple for four games. I feel pretty good about that series.

Brad Wesley
07-02-2010, 09:20 AM
"We're a better team -- 100 percent," Wilson said when asked if the two clubs will continue to play close games against each other moving forward. "When we play up to our capabilities it might not be that close."

Wilson then went into details about why the first-place Rangers, who saw their lead fall to 3 1/2 games over the Angels in the American League West, are the better club.

"We have a better balance to our team," Wilson said. "They have good pitching, but their offense is like, I don't know. We have more wins. It's pretty simple. I'd rather take our offense. I'd rather take our defense. I'd much rather have our bullpen."


Ballsy, but I'm not pissed he's saying it. He has backed up his mouth this year. He needs to keep backing it up but I'm not worried about him. He threw too many pitches but his stuff is really good.

Duck of Death
07-02-2010, 09:41 AM
cj's velocity is really down from his bullpen days last year. fastball was barely touching 90 yesterday. hopefully he doesn't drop off any farther as the second half progresses.

Yuk-Monkey
07-02-2010, 09:47 AM
cj's velocity is really down from his bullpen days last year. fastball was barely touching 90 yesterday. hopefully he doesn't drop off any farther as the second half progresses.

I just wish he could trust his own stuff better and throw strikes. After the Kendrick hit, it took him ~3 innings to start throwing strikes again. It's okay to give up a hit, CJ, but make them work for it.

Brad Wesley
07-02-2010, 10:05 AM
i'd take a well located 90mph fastball from him than his samurai bullshit 95mph all over the place. some pitchers have the luxury of trying to spot their fastball about 5mph lower than their max velocity so they can reach back when needed. guys like verlander do this shit all the time.

Beau Vine
07-02-2010, 10:07 AM
all i want from the bottom of the order/molina is a tough out. they don't have to be world beaters but damn it make the pitcher throw strikes and foul off some pitches. give me some 5-7 pitch at-bats that wear the starter down. give me an occassional leadoff double or walk and play some freaking defense. is that really too much to ask?

From Molina? I'd say so.

No hitter in MLB swung at more pitches outside the zone last season, and no hitter in MLB swung more frequently.

Bengie makes Vlad look like Kevin Youkilis.

Beau Vine
07-02-2010, 10:26 AM
the PTBNL deal in the Molina deal is Michael Main

what the fuck are we thinking?

Main is in the deal in exchange for the Giants picking up the $2M left on Molina's salary.

If Texas would have taken Molina straight up, salary and all, the Giants wouldn't have asked for me than an autographed Tommy Hunter jockstrap in return.

I hate this deal. I hate giving up on 21-yo 1st-rounders.

The Red Sox traded a 27-yo career minor leaguer for Kevin Cash, who's on a minor league contract. I think that's the better of the two deals.

Yuk-Monkey
07-02-2010, 10:48 AM
I have some serious issues with Max Ramirez's defense. But we gave up much more than we got. I said this on another thread but I shudder to think what JD would give up for Lee if he gives up Ray/Main for Molina.

Duck of Death
07-02-2010, 11:00 AM
i'd take a well located 90mph fastball from him than his samurai bullshit 95mph all over the place. some pitchers have the luxury of trying to spot their fastball about 5mph lower than their max velocity so they can reach back when needed. guys like verlander do this shit all the time.

i agree. if cj is doing this to be able to go 7 per start and 200 IP for the year then great. if he's already wearing down from the innings and pitches, then that bodes poorly for the second half.

u2-horn
07-02-2010, 11:24 AM
Main was the #21 prospect in the system (Baseball America). This kind of deal is precisely why you build up your farm system in the first place.

Molina can help them win this year and next year. Main could be a back-of-the-rotation guy in 2012.

Beau Vine
07-02-2010, 11:59 AM
Main was the #21 prospect in the system (Baseball America).

He's #6 according to John Sickels (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/1/6/1237750/texas-rangers-top-20-prospects) and #8 according to BP (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9927).


This kind of deal is precisely why you build up your farm system in the first place.

I'd agree with that completely if they had gotten someone like Chris Snyder. (Don't the D-Backs have to be shopping him?) I seriously question whether Molina helps this team at all.

tokamak
07-02-2010, 12:21 PM
Main was the #21 prospect in the system (Baseball America). This kind of deal is precisely why you build up your farm system in the first place.

Molina can help them win this year and next year. Main could be a back-of-the-rotation guy in 2012.

It's not that I'm completely opposed to trading away a guy like Main. But Bengie Molina is not a good baseball player. He's replacement level, at best. We shouldn't have to pay ANYTHING to get a guy like that.

I guarantee that some team out there (probably multiple teams, in fact) has a 29-year-old career minor leaguer with a good defensive reputation that they'd be willing to give up for a bucket of baseballs.

Molina has no power anymore, he's slow as molasses, doesn't throw out anyone, and historically doesn't take any walks (although he's been a little better so far this year). The only thing he does even passably at this point is "handle pitchers", which is unquantifiable and of unknown/dubious value. He's nothing more than a warm (fat) body with a single nebulous, anecdotal skill and I don't think that's worth a prospect with even the slightest hint of promise.

Yuk-Monkey
07-02-2010, 01:08 PM
I have tickets to the game tonight, but it is looking like it's not going to stop raining.

Horn21
07-02-2010, 01:46 PM
man, i'm as disappointed as the next guy that we couldn't pull out at least 2 of these games, but some of you are a little too boo-hoo'ey. this was a good angels team at home. and weaver is one of the best pitchers in the game. could we have swept? sure. we could also just as easily be only 1.5 games up right now if not for vlad. with 1 swing he gave us a 2 game cushion.

we've got a lot of games left to play. i'm just excited as hell that we're even having this discussion right now. we've still got the biggest lead of any current divisional leader. i'll take it.

enjay
07-02-2010, 01:51 PM
i'm going to saturday's game. john danks vs big game hunter.

hopefully hambone can start another streak tonight and continue his home run stroke with hunter pitches.

Ranger_Red
07-02-2010, 01:56 PM
Still only 1 game out of the best record in Baseball also. As good as the rangers month was winning 21 games the Angels still had a damn good month winning 18 games. Plus having a 3 game lead in the loss column helps even more. you win all three of those games and suddenly it is a 5 game lead if everything else stays the same.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 03:48 PM
I have some serious issues with Max Ramirez's defense. But we gave up much more than we got. I said this on another thread but I shudder to think what JD would give up for Lee if he gives up Ray/Main for Molina.

From Newberg:


Prominent Seattle blogger Dave Cameron agrees, tweeting yesterday: “Attn Mariners: Please trade Lee to Texas. Based on reported return for Molina, they will pay through the nose if M’s pick up his salary.”

spystud13
07-02-2010, 03:51 PM
Molina can help them win this year and next year. Main could be a back-of-the-rotation guy in 2012.

Molina is on a 1-year deal, he better fucking not be back here next year even older & slower!!

Horn21
07-02-2010, 03:59 PM
correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i see/read it appears the rangers were willing to overpay a bit for molina in terms of prospects in order to save the cash that they do have on hand to make a much more significant move later down the road, whether it's lee or someone else, and not have to give up the farm to do so.

whether or not molina was the right choice is a separate argument.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 04:08 PM
We'll see if that "cash they do have on hand" actually exists... Most of us assume it probably doesn't. MLB is in no hurry to approve anything that benefits us after the way we've butchered this sale process.

Ranger_Red
07-02-2010, 04:46 PM
Spy you know how I know you have been a ranger fan for a long time. You have that ranger fan pessimism. I try and force mine into hidding this time of year, but it just jumps right back out at me every single time.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 04:59 PM
You want to see pessimism?! How about Bengie fucking Molina hitting 6-hole tonight?! That is fucking pessimism! Cruz is rightfully getting the night off, but Molina's stellar .332 SLG % should not be 6-hole ever!!!!



SS Elvis Andrus
3B Michael Young
2B Ian Kinsler
DH Vladimir Guerrero
LF Josh Hamilton
C Bengie Molina
RF David Murphy
1B Justin Smoak
CF Julio Borbon

spystud13
07-02-2010, 05:01 PM
This is another reason I fucking hate this trade... We can't fucking hit his dumbass 8th cause he's too fucking slow in front of Borbon! This is going to be a season-long nightmare for me...

Yuk-Monkey
07-02-2010, 05:36 PM
This is another reason I fucking hate this trade... We can't fucking hit his dumbass 8th cause he's too fucking slow in front of Borbon! This is going to be a season-long nightmare for me...

I'm going to bite my tongue now as a fan. I love this team too much to let this Molina deal get under my skin. Part of it is the relief of still having Treanor. Now if it can stop flooding long enough to play some baseball.

dontlookatme
07-02-2010, 05:38 PM
Why don't you just give it a few games and see how the guy does?

dontlookatme
07-02-2010, 05:40 PM
it's not like the Rangers made this years team worse by making this trade. Sure they gave up a prospect, but he is someone who would probably never play for the Rangers, they would have included him in another trade or possibly lost him in the Rule 5 draft in a couple of years.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 05:43 PM
Why don't you just give it a few games and see how the guy does?

I've hated Molina for a long time, but I'll try to keep that away from this thread a little more. No promises though...

spystud13
07-02-2010, 05:46 PM
This does somewhat backup my earlier point though... I have a hard time believing Molina's speed didn't also play a factor into Wash's decision, he just didn't want to call him out on it.


Rookie first baseman Justin Smoak will be penciled into the eighth spot in the Rangers’ lineup for the foreseeable future.

Smoak has only four hits in his last 32 at-bats – and none in his last 15 – but Washington said the drop in the lineup isn’t due to production. The manager just believes Bengie Molina, who had at least 80 RBI in the last three seasons, needs to hit sixth or seventh.

“Will he get an different pitches?” Washington asked about Smoak, answering his own question by shaking his head. “The team’s going to do the same things. He’s got to make adjustments.”

Yuk-Monkey
07-02-2010, 07:10 PM
Start time pushed back to 7:45. Not that bad out here really. If it calms down a bit, we'll have some baseball.

u2-horn
07-02-2010, 07:42 PM
I kinda doubt they get the game in tonight.

Ranger_Red
07-02-2010, 07:45 PM
Huge cell coming in behind the one that just left. I don't really see how they can get any more than a couple of innings in.

u2-horn
07-02-2010, 08:40 PM
First pitch at 9:30 supposedly.

Beau Vine
07-02-2010, 08:54 PM
Why don't you just give it a few games and see how the guy does?

:roll:

He's 35 years old and he has 5000 MLB plate appearances. He has established how he's probably going to do.

Ranger_Red
07-02-2010, 08:54 PM
damn I thought I got away from the late games when they left the west coast.

u2-horn
07-02-2010, 09:12 PM
Salty's wife (supposedly) just posted this in a DMN chat:


Comment From Ashley Saltalamacchia
I'm gonna set this straight once and for all!! My husband has never had an "air of entitlement". Jarrod respects this game in between and outside the lines. He respected his position which is why he wanted to play when he was even injured. If he couldn't do it he didn't and never has put a teammate or team outcome in jeapordy for selfish reasons.
I have refused to read the press reports written regarding Jarrod this season because they have been nothing but degrading according to the many emails and texts we receive.There is no escape unfortunately. I hate more than you know that I have had to stoop to such a level to blog tonight on mr grants time but enough is enough. The truth needs to be told. I have no idea where mr grant gets his information regarding Jarrod, he has never once interviewed him since being optioned.
We appreciate all of the support the fans across the country have given us and we hope for your continued support. Please know and trust that baseball is Jarrods life and he appreciates every minute of every opportunity. He takes nothing for granted he knows better than anyone each day in this sport is a blessing


If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it!
Happy moments, praise God.
Difficult moments, seek God.
Quiet moments, worship God.
Painful moments, trust God.

Every moment, thank God.

ludosc
07-02-2010, 09:30 PM
finally...we have baseball...

me likey the uniform look tonight...

Beau Vine
07-02-2010, 09:34 PM
Salty's wife (supposedly) just posted this in a DMN chat:

:eek2:

What exactly is that about?

And BTW, that horrific Molina trades tells you what the Rangers think about Salty.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 09:43 PM
Grant mentioned yesterday in his chat that Salty was having "maturity" issues, so I guess ol' Ashley didn't like that! That is f'ing great!!



And yes, the white-on-white looks sharp!

Ranger_Red
07-02-2010, 09:45 PM
It isn't a look that I would like a lot, but I wouldn't mind using it one series a month.

ludosc
07-02-2010, 09:46 PM
I dont like the flag in the T...but if you took the normal T with the white cap and the red bill...badass...

spystud13
07-02-2010, 09:48 PM
Here's Grant's entry yesterday:


Chad asks ... Evan, will Salty ever wear a Ranger uniform again?

Evan Grant: I'm starting to doubt it. Asked why Salty wasn't an option, Ron Washington just kind of stared at me a moment today, then said "He's still having issues." That's about as far as he went. .. I don't think the Rangers believe he is a very mature player. That happens occasionally when guys rocket through a minor league system.

u2-horn
07-02-2010, 09:51 PM
:eek2:

What exactly is that about?

And BTW, that horrific Molina trades tells you what the Rangers think about Salty.

Someone asked Evan if/ when Salty would be back. Evan said:



Evan Grant:*@Dallasdon: Barring injury, he doesn't come back before September. Think this year is now supposed to serve as a real wakeup call to Saltalamacchia, who may have gotten an air of entitlement about the catching job. When this year is over, he won't have that.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 09:55 PM
Let's not forget this tidbit:


Saltalamacchia is married to a former teacher from his high school, Ashley Saltalamacchia (14 years his senior), though he was never her student.


Hahaha... This story is awesome!!!!

F18Mustang
07-02-2010, 10:04 PM
Bengie got a hit!

spystud13
07-02-2010, 10:04 PM
No chance he wasn't getting a hit there after all my bitching...

spystud13
07-02-2010, 10:20 PM
Two members of the Rangers' Triple-A team were named to the Pacific Coast League All-Star Game, and a third was named prior to being called up to the Majors.

Oklahoma City's Chris Davis and Michael Kirkman were selected, and reliever Pedro Strop was named to the team prior to being called up to the Rangers to replace the traded Chris Ray.

Davis, who was named the starting third baseman, is second in the league in hitting at .339, while adding eight home runs and 47 RBIs. He started the season with the Rangers before being replaced by Justin Smoak.

Kirkman leads the Redhawks in wins this season, compiling a 7-2 record through 15 starts. He carries a 3.09 ERA and has 80 strikeouts in 84 1/3 innings.

Strop was called up on Thursday to replace Ray, who was traded to San Francisco in the deal that sent catcher Bengie Molina to the Rangers. The recall marks Strop's third stint in the Majors this season.

Strop leads the Redhawks with seven saves and at one point earlier this season retired 24 consecutive batters. Strop has pitched one inning so far with the Rangers, walking one and striking out one.


Good for him...

spystud13
07-02-2010, 10:22 PM
Wish Elvis would just swing there & try to go right-side... Might accidentally wind up with a single.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 10:24 PM
Horrible AB Face!!!!!!


Even more reason why Elvis shouldn't have bunted!

spystud13
07-02-2010, 10:28 PM
Way to pick 'em up Vlad!!

A better relay & he's dead at 3rd again...

Duck of Death
07-02-2010, 10:34 PM
i'm thinking molina couldn't play yesterday because he had to buy new red and blue gear and have his helmet painted up.

no such issues for ray.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 10:37 PM
^^^ His chest protector looks awfully snug!

UTCRP
07-02-2010, 10:38 PM
So since the rain delay happened is this game on anywhere in Austin? I have TWC in Austin and can't find it.

Duck of Death
07-02-2010, 10:43 PM
4 complete in just over an hour.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 10:54 PM
Michael Young, king of the bases empty single...

Ranger_Red
07-02-2010, 11:05 PM
spy I am starting to see what you are saying. I have a feeling that my view of Young's ABs will forever be tainted.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 11:18 PM
Smoak needs to lay out & at least knock that ball down!

Drunken Mule
07-02-2010, 11:31 PM
Smoak needs to lay out & at least knock that ball down!

I'm starting to think they should have made a trade for a first baseman instead of a catcher.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 11:33 PM
^^^ As I posted above, Davis is tearing it up again in AAA. He was pretty good for us last year after getting the recall...



Horrible fucking baserunning Elvis!!!!!!

ludosc
07-02-2010, 11:34 PM
elvis...

http://raoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/facepalm.jpg

UTCRP
07-02-2010, 11:36 PM
Stat tracking this thing, glad I didn't see Elvis' blunder in person, I can only imagine.

UTCRP
07-02-2010, 11:36 PM
KC just tied it up with LAAAAA 2 strikes and 2 outs in the 9th on a double.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 11:37 PM
Stat tracking this thing, glad I didn't see Elvis' blunder in person, I can only imagine.

Took off for 3rd WAY early, P simply stepped off & threw him out!

UTCRP
07-02-2010, 11:45 PM
D'oh

F18Mustang
07-02-2010, 11:47 PM
Jesus Frankie, get to the bag.

Drunken Mule
07-02-2010, 11:48 PM
^^^ As I posted above, Davis is tearing it up again in AAA. He was pretty good for us last year after getting the recall...


I can almost guarantee Davis is on the agenda once Smoak hits the Mendoza line.

spystud13
07-02-2010, 11:49 PM
Jesus Frankie, get to the bag.

That was his MY impersonation from last night... Start, stop, "Oh shit!"

UTCRP
07-02-2010, 11:57 PM
2 brain farts in 2 nights, glad this one didn't come back to haunt the Rangers.

spystud13
07-03-2010, 12:11 AM
Fuck!!!!

Borbon's pussy arm cost us that second run!

UTCRP
07-03-2010, 12:15 AM
Did Hamilton lay out and not get it or something?

spystud13
07-03-2010, 12:16 AM
Yep, good effort but bounced off him to Borbon who threw a Johnny Damon-special to no one in particular in the infield!

enjay
07-03-2010, 12:17 AM
^^yeah, he laid out for it. he wasn't going to get to it, because it bounced at least a foot in front of his glove, so his only chance was to just one hop it. it bounced of his glove and borbon had to get to it.

we would have been better off if borbon would have just flipped it back to hamilton...

scomce
07-03-2010, 12:22 AM
at least the angels lost

spystud13
07-03-2010, 12:22 AM
Fortunately KC beat LAA 2-1 in 10...


And scomce beat me.

spystud13
07-03-2010, 12:25 AM
We better not fucking limp into the AS break & ruin that badass streak we just had!

scomce
07-03-2010, 12:28 AM
that is exactly what we are doing.

Yuk-Monkey
07-03-2010, 01:34 AM
Guys, having watched this clusterfuck in person my amateur opinion of why we lost is simple and easy to understand; it will bottle [sic] your mind. In the 7th inning during the most tense part of the game with Rios at the plate, our fans did what all good baseball fans do--the Wave. Apparently, one guy cussing them out in section 132 had little effect. And our fucking pussy-ass fans continued the Wave through the Konerko AB when the game was tied. What a bunch of worthless fucking idiots we have for fans. Fucking embarrassingly stupid.

Smoak is terrible. He is a definite out, guaranteed. I'd rather have batted Colby and DH Smoak tonight *half serious*. He's just horrible. And noodle-arm in CF would do better to run the ball in and just hand it to Elvis.

Okay, out of my system...................

spystud13
07-03-2010, 08:43 AM
Seriously, we can't win long term with noodle in CF... He will have to be moved to LF to be a respectable OF.

Beau Vine
07-03-2010, 09:14 AM
The highlight of that game was the two hot blondes in the first row behind home plate.

Beau Vine
07-03-2010, 09:14 AM
Seriously, we can't win long term with noodle in CF... He will have to be moved to LF to be a respectable OF.

He doesn't have the bat to be a respectable LF.

spystud13
07-03-2010, 09:28 AM
^^^ Then let's shoot him & bring Gentry back!

Vic Mackey
07-03-2010, 10:10 AM
So are we still that team who can beat up on the bottom feeders but can not win with any consistency at all against the good teams? *Sighs*

Yesterday was a big opportunity to move another game up on the Angels and cancel that losing 2 out of 3 out and move back to 4.5 games up. Oh well.

Yuk-Monkey
07-03-2010, 10:52 AM
I wouldn't call the ChiSox bottom feeders. Gentry or Davis should be brought up to be on this squad right now. Dump Arias.

Vic Mackey
07-03-2010, 11:56 AM
I wouldn't call the ChiSox bottom feeders. Gentry or Davis should be brought up to be on this squad right now. Dump Arias.

Thats my point. I'm not. They are a solid team and gave been on a hot streak just like us. Against these types of teams, I'd like to see more wins before I can really think we are a legit contender.

F18Mustang
07-03-2010, 12:21 PM
Bring back Hank Blalock.

Yuk-Monkey
07-03-2010, 12:54 PM
Thats my point. I'm not. They are a solid team and gave been on a hot streak just like us. Against these types of teams, I'd like to see more wins before I can really think we are a legit contender.

I have no idea why I read it like that.

I'm still reeling about last night. Smoak... what to do about Smoak.