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was this the program colin cowherd was referring to during the summer??
Fighting a naked guy in a shower is kinda gay, bro.Originally Posted by kermit
+ rep.
Just grab the kid and go. I doubt that much of a fight would've been put up. What's Sandusky going to say, "I'm not finished?"
Jeff MacGregor from ESPN.com writes exactly what I was thinking in my earlier post about what the problem is with JoePa (and anyone else involved at any level):
He nails it in the bold. Precisely. Good read.The damage control began in earnest Sunday night. The lawyering. The spin. The sudden return to retirement; the midnight administrative leave. The Nixonian press release. Everyone "shocked." Everyone "deeply troubled."
If true, the staggering liability. If true, the panicked cover-up.
If true. "We were all fooled."
By the time you read this, Joe Paterno might have resigned. Or worse yet, not resigned. Former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky has been indicted on scores of counts of felony sexual abuse of minor boys. Penn State officials have been indicted and charged with perjury. Read about it here and here and here and here.
If true? Another American tragedy. If true? Another abject failure of moral obligation. And if true, the story for as long as it lasts -- 24 more hours or the next hundred years -- will be a question: "What did Joe know, and when did Joe know it?"
In fairness then, the entirety of his statement:
"If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters. While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can't help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred.
"Sue and I have devoted our lives to helping young people reach their potential. The fact that someone we thought we knew might have harmed young people to this extent is deeply troubling. If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers.
"As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators.
"I understand that people are upset and angry, but let's be fair and let the legal process unfold. In the meantime I would ask all Penn Staters to continue to trust in what that name represents, continue to pursue their lives every day with high ideals and not let these events shake their beliefs nor who they are."
Head coaches get the glory of winning, but they're also responsible for the shortcomings of their program.In other words -- If True -- I didn't know anything. Once informed of something, I did the minimum: I kicked it up the chain, looked away and chose never to think of it again.
If Paterno knew something and did nothing, he's an accessory. If he didn't know, he should have known. Such are the burdens of omniscience as understood by the cult of the Division I football coach.
If true, what did Joe know, and when did he know it?
The failure here is complete. Utter. The failure of the institution and the failure of the individual. The failure of the community. The failure of common decency.
If true? Your failure. My failure. We didn't keep our children safe.
What did Joe know, and when did Joe know it?
The truth is a horror story. If true.
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/s...erno-know-when
I think that is called roughing the QB.
The President needs to go too in my opinion
The President will definitely be forced to resign in the very near future.
The only open issue is whether Paterno can make it to the end of the regular season without resigning.
Penn State's leadership is about to be massively shaken up from the President's office to the AD to the football program.
Every one of those mother $#@!ers needs to burn. $#@! the GA, $#@! Paterno, $#@! the AD, $#@! the VP, and especially $#@! Sandusky. There is plenty of blame for each and every one of them.
I cant stop following this, but it just infuriates me the more I learn.
Paterno doesn't deserve to be prosecuted -- I don't believe that 'failure to report' should be a crime -- but his moral and ethical failings are staggering. To Sandusky, we say, "Burn in hell," but to Curley, Paterno and the others involved, either directly or complicitly, in the cover-up, we say, "How could you?"
10 year olds dude....
10 year olds
Where do I submit my resume for Sandusky job?
Paterno did the MINIMUM amount as required by law. He will not be prosecuted. He is part of the good ol boy generation where you sweep everything under the rug.
ESPN_Michelle Michelle Beadle
Tressel steps down cuz a dude got some ink. JoePa has to go and his legacy will now include years of child abuse in his house
29 minutes ago
ESPN_Michelle Michelle Beadle
Stunned by the amount of Paterno apologists on this topic. Moment words "child, "rape," and "shower" were spoken, 911 shoulda been called
32 minutes ago
That will about cover it.
Keep talking Michelle
$#@!ing $#@!ity $#@!. You witness that and take it to a $#@!ing football coach? The $#@!ing football coach goes to the $#@!ing AD? Who in the $#@! cares what the athletic department has to say in a situation like this. If the G.A. was worried about losing his job if he went to the authorities, that's pretty telling in itself.
If this isn't the "10" story hinted at by yahoo this summer, I don't know else could possibly be considered a 10.
1. It is a crime.
2. Not reporting = aiding in the commission/evasion from prosecution = also a crime.
3. Reporting could have/likely have prevented some incident(s) that occurred after that one, which is also against the law, and makes him a piece of $#@! that can burn in hell.
Let's see:
1. Knew about 1998 issue.
2. Something happens in 2000 that forces Pedophile to retire.
3. Knew about 2002 report. Gives witness to rape a job for life in exchange for STFU.
=
JAIL
This. Just listening to Paterno weasel word his way around this issue makes my blood boil. The GA now being on the staff as a coach etc etc. Clean house.
It's a crime precisely because a child is not generally in a position to defend him/herself from a sexual predator. And the legal precedent is far from unique in this situation: in most jurisdictions, if you have knowledge of felony acts being committed in progress, and you fail to report them to the authorities, then you open yourself up to conspiracy charges.
Regardless, adults who are in a position to stop the abuse need to step up and put a stop to it. There are arguments to be made that possibly Paterno has less culpability than others, but it really comes down to how much did Joe know, when did he know it, and at the time he learned of it, could he have done more to put a stop to it?
sandusky needs to fry, jopieceof$#@! needs to do jail time, and the NCAA needs to vacate every $#@!ing win that sandusky coached in and erase those wins from jopieceof$#@!'s records.
WHOPPERS FOR ALL!
This. Penn State first had an obligation to protect a minor who was assaulted on campus. Second, they had an obligation to protect the University from future incidents. Third, they had a duty to minimize their current liability. Sounds like they focused on Step 3. Did the minimum on Step 2. And, almost nothing on Step 1. Yet, they failed all three because all they worried about was silencing (temporarily) the assault(s).
Sad thing is, this stuff happens all the time with churches, schools and workplaces. With all the lawsuits and liability, sometimes institutions lump all allegations into one (should have been an immediate 9-1-1 call in this case, then some intervention on the part of the GA provided it was safe to do so). Dysfunctional organizations develop a siege or bunker mentality. With Penn State, it was more about protecting Joe Pa and the program than anything else. And, it also sounds like Joe Pa at least suspected things back in 1998.
Also, Joe Pa's statement raises more questions than it resolves. Shouldn't have even said anything but "need to let the legal process" "we're cooperating with authorities" "very interested in discovering the truth."
All this is unreal.
ps, that this kind of $#@! happens on paturdo's watch does not surprise me one bit
Oh, and if they knew enough to take his keys away, they knew enough to be expected to notify law enforcement.
It's ok though. Sandusky has been picking up trash at Beaver Stadium after every game for almost a decade. He's served his time.
Two more thoughts:
1) Think about what the GA did in walking away from that rape-- he had no idea what would become of the boy. For all he knew, Sandusky might have panicked and killed the kid to try to cover it up.
2)
On a scale of 1 to 10, compared to the scandals at Ohio State and Miami (neither of which surprised anyone all that much when they were revealed), this is a hundred. A $#@!ing hundred.If this isn't the "10" story hinted at by yahoo this summer, I don't know else could possibly be considered a 10.
Puts things into perspective.
Hell, he might have. From what I remember - and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong - that particular kid hasn't been identified yet (even by the police) because no one knows who he is. McQueery walked out and his story is all anyone knows about that incident.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that and that has now changed.
Not saying that he did kill the kid - I actually don't think he did based on some other details of his other victims - but the point is that while this is a particularly egregious incident in the overall narrative, it's not what got him into trouble because no one involved tried to investigate it.
Yeah, all this. I finally opened this thread today, and I wish I didn't. I don't follow ESPN much anymore, and no news this weekend, so I was kind of in ignorant bliss.
Now I feel sick to my stomach. As others have noted, who the $#@! goes an AD after witness child rape? And there's a ton of other salient thoughts already covered. I feel like I might need therapy after reading all this. I'm in shock.
This is by far the worst sports scandal story I've ever read in my life.
When the non-sports media starts running with this story it will completely explode.
It was on NPR this morning. It will be the biggest college football scandal in a very very long time by the end of the week.
and i thought miami was in trouble.
http://deadspin.com/5857172/
talk about typo
I can't get past that either. He left Sandusky and the kid in the shower. He saw a grown man sexually abusing a kid estimated to be 10 years old and he left. I can't fathom not trying to get the kid out of there right that instant. Even if he was scared $#@!less he should've at least been able to either use a cell phone, or found access to a phone as fast as he could, to call 911.
This story completely blows everything else out of the water. The Miami story was wild and was a 10, but this is so heinous, sick and twisted that it's in a category all its own. It's just so damned infuriating to see how this was covered up for so long. Paterno has to go and he has to go now. He doesn't like it, tough $#@!. Sue the university for terminating your stupid ass Paterno. Penn State is going to be sued into Bolivian by so many victims (No way in hell that there isn't more going back further into the past.) that by the time Paterno gets his day in court he'll already be six feet under.
Death penalty takes a whole new meaning here.
This is a good point. It should be noted that law enforcement is still looking to identify the victim the GA says he saw in the shower. They don't know who that kid is; where he is or what became of him.
Time to start digging up this guy's backyard. Also, where was this sick $#@!'s wife during all this. I've read reports that he brought young boys to his house. Did that not raise any red flags to his wife. Also read that he had a boy travel with him to the 99 Alamo Bowl. How the hell did he pull this off? This story is going to get a whole lot worse. Plaintiff's attorneys are going to have a field day.
Terrible. Get rid of Joe and everybody else. By the end of the day isn't fast enough.
Shoulda known McQueary is a ginger.
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-...ry_mike00.html
That's what I keep coming back to. I know we're all gung ho saying we'd jump in in a heartbeat and smash Sandusky over the head with a folding chair, and I know the truth is that it's hard to know how you will react to something that is so far outside anything you've ever experienced. But there is no goddamned way in West Hell I'd walk in on anyone I know-- personally or professionally-- doing what Sandusky did to that boy and let it continue, let alone operate under the assumption that there's nothing worse awaiting that boy once Sandusky's finished with him.
I have no more respect for McQueary than I do Sandusky at this point.
Sandusky was the original Head Coach in Waiting. Then in 1998-99 the Old Man found out and made different plans. Sandusky promply retires after aggy loses yet another bowl game. Paterno knew at least 13 years ago and still did nothing to stop this monster after the 2002 incident. No way he makes it to PSU's bowl game.
He was an incredibly bad qb as well.
Makes "old freak nasty" look absolutely tame by comparison.
in class, SIAP
sandusky's book on amazon. comment section rocks.
this will be the first recorded use of the "Tebowing" defense.
sorry but you've been nominated as the new mascot
Just read the grand jury report, absolutely disgusting. Paterno really did the bare minimum and that in itself is morally offensive in a case like this. i dont care who you are, head coach or intern, if you hear about or see a kid getting raped by an older man your basic instinct should be to take action, get this kid to safety and report it to the authorities....not just the next guy up the chain. the fact that paterno even heard something similar to what happen and simply reported it to the AD should make enough of a case to be fired or step down. this makes me physically sick to my stomach and i wish the absolute worst for anyone who was involved and did nothing to stop it. $#@! Sandusky i hope he rots in hell
You know what? That's funny. It really is funny. I don't want to hear that it's in poor taste or anything like that, because it's really damned funny.
And yet I just can't laugh about it.
But with that being said . . .
If we play Penn State, either this year or in the near future, I am going to make it my life's mission to get tickets in the first row behind the Pedo State bench. I'm going to have a megaphone. And the extent of my heckling will be reading the grand jury report. I'll just start shouting right after kickoff, "We, the members of the Thirty-third Statewide Investigating Grand Jury, having received and reviewed evidence regarding violations of the Crimes Code occurring in Centre County, Pennsylvania, and elsewhere pursuant to Notice of Submission of Investigation No. 1, do hereby make the following findings of fact and recommendations of charges . . . ."
I think that might just be the most effective heckling of all time.
I nominate a change in the "minimum" requirements of anyone who hears about suspected child abuse. How in the $#@! is calling the police not one of the minimum requirements?
+rep. ill bring a megaphone
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