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weird how 2 members of the 1986 Celtics are coaching Texas NBA teams. All we need is Larry Bird to replace Pops (retirement) and the triangle is complete.
I wrote out a long post responding to this, but I lost it. No matter how you slice it, this is an avg. team competing for a 6, 7 or 8 seed and they don't play well against the teams they're fighting against for those seed. They can't play defense and they turn the ball over a lot. Right now they are equal to their expected wins and if they make the playoffs, they're a first round exit. that pau trade was a gamble, but it's time morey went out and got a young all-star, which has been his plan all along and the reason he's been hoarding a lot of young players with up-side. this team is playing better than last year, but they won't win more than one playoff game with this roster, let alone a series.Originally Posted by BigOrange
oh yeah and the "defense" the grizz & rockets played in the 4th was really just two teams exhausted because of lockout ball.
I agree with a lot of this.
This is my 2 cents though. We aren't gonna keep any big time players here unless we trade for someone who already is locked into a contract so we are either gonna stay how we have been the last 5 years or so and be average, or it is time to trade off people and try and land a rent of player (like Dwight Howard) for the next two months and make a legit run at this. Then he walks at the end of the year and instead of us being mediocre we suck and get high draft picks for a season or two to rebuild. Staying in this middle ground is doing nothing for us.
Could this team pull off a first rd upset(assuming they make the playoffs), most likely, but could they do any more than that.....prob not.
I must say the clapping advice helped, Thanks to all
The way the team is playing, there's no need to tank right now. I want to keep winning. We're far closer to the fourth spot than last.
I am OK if they keep winning (even if it ends up with a first round playoff exit) as long as the Knicks take a turn for the worst and their pick is in the lottery (but not 1-5).
Win tonight would go a long way. And the 6(?) days of rest.
Another great win with a record of 20-14 heading to the All-Star break. Incredible.
20 wins before the ASG is awesome!
Very nice win last night!
If we can maintain the same level over the other 32 games I'd say we'll be in great shape. 20-12 to get us to 40-26 would probably land us at 4 or 5.
Mchale deserves the coach of the year if that happens.
How in the $#@! did Scola end up with 19/10? he looked like he was hooping in mud... i was set to kill him, then i look at the box and then "WTF-GTFO?!"
Lowry is balling... his line was fairly average, but he was busting ass.
Budinger got robbed in dunk contest
It's got to be nice for Kyle to have a semblance of a front line in front of him. Bud, Patterson, Scola, Dalembert is a solid front line which is really what this team has been missing.
Something of note from Yahoo Power RankingsWhat's that all about?A stat: The Rockets' two most-used lineups (with no common players) have allowed 92.9 points per 100 possesions. All other lineups have allowed 102.7.
A question: Can Kevin Martin get back to playing consistently?
A prediction: The Rockets make the playoffs for the first time since Yao Ming's last full season, which means they lose their first-round pick in a great draft.
I think the Rockets pick is owed to the Nets this season but it is lottery protected.
It's the Knicks, and it's top 5 protected.
Sorry, I can't read. You're right though. The Nets get Houston's pick unless it's in the lottery.
Last edited by CBT; 02-28-2012 at 11:52 AM. Reason: Terrance Williams trade.
yeah so if lowry keeps up the pace of the last three games and we make a good trade at the deadline, we could definitely be looking at a 4 or 5 seed. plus we've got a pretty easy schedule, it think we play 15 or 16 teams under .500 after the break.
Another great win. Now let's go win in Utah. $#@! the Jazz.
Unreal that we have a 21-14 record right now. The team is not that good but we find ways to win ugly.
Rockets have a decent shot at the # 3 seed, yes?
18-7 in the last 25.
would be nice to go 2-1 over the next 3 (@ utah, back home for denver and the clippers) before heading on the road for a 5 game trip (although with a slate that should result in 3-2 at the worst, and hopefully 4-1 or better).
I'll say it now...the Lakers would want no part of this Houston team in round 1. We've got bigs who could neutralize their front court now and our back court is better than theirs. Plus, McHale would coach circles around that piece of dog crap coach Mike Brown.
I'll be interested to see what happens when the Rockets play the Mavs.
Mavs suck too.
Hmm...I gotta disagree with you, Bo. We have no answer for Bynum and Gasol in a 7 game series. Dalembert is our only real defensive presence in the paint and he's been solid, but he won't completely shut down either guy. We really miss Chuck Hayes as a low post defender as he's arguably one of the most underrated in that regard in the NBA.
Currently we are a team built for the regular season and we've been fortunate to not have many injuries(crossing fingers). Come playoff time the defensive intensity picks up and that's when we'll struggle. Kevin Martin and Scola are finesse players that will be neutralized in the playoffs. We play hard almost every night and our record proves it, but IMO the talent just isn't there right now.
I will obviously be excited to make the postseason and I hope the team proves me wrong.
Patterson, Scola, Budinger, Dalembert isn't a bad front line. I don't think it's great but we have enough bigs to match up with L.A. now. Bynum is Mr. Glass and if Scola is a finesse player so is Gasol.
And Lowry would murder Derek Fisher, all game long. I like Fish but he's about at the end of his rope.
I think it'd be a 7 game series, much like the series we had a few years back when we took them to 7 on their way to their last ring. If we could make it an up n down game, I think our athleticism and depth would neutralize their advantage in the front court. They'd kill us if they got us into a half court match-up though.
Anyone hear of any Rockets' trade rumors swirling around as the trade deadline approaches?
As I said earlier, I think a big difference would be Mike Brown, who I think compared to Phil Jackson is a piece of crap head coach. Phil had a knack for taking mediocre talent aside from one or two great players and making those teams into playoff ready teams. This Lakers team much like this Rockets team is built for the regular season, not the playoffs and I don't think Mike Brown can mold this team into a playoff team.
Have not heard any trade rumors. I doubt the Rockets will be active at the deadline.
I heard on the radio today that the Rockets t.v. ratings are down 40% from last year. Thats the worst decrease in the nba this year and it's especially surprising because the average nba t.v. ratings are up from last year. Add in the fact that attendance has been low this year as well in a year where the Rockets are 21 - 14 going into March and tied with the Mavs for the 4th seed in the playoffs it just doesn't make any sense. The only thing I can think of is the lockout turned some people off from the nba and the Rockets attempted to trade some of the fan favorite players before the season but the deal fell through. I know a lot of people want a superstar player but if you ask me we got one in Kyle Lowry. Whatever the problem is it needs to get fixed soon because this is an embarrassment to the city of Houston as a sports town.
Houston rated the #6 most miserable city by Forbes:
http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2...sports-cities/
Houston has a 4-4 record in the championship round, a 5-8 record in the semifinal round and four titles in 137 total seasons.
“A history full of solid teams coming up short in the end: from 1978 through the 2005 Oilers and Astros combined for 19 playoff appearances but no bananas.”
what the $#@! was that tonight? got blown the $#@! out by utah.
Rockets 0.5 games from the #3 seed
I've been thinking about this, and attribute it to several things:
1. Houston is a football town. The Texans did well. Aggy is moving to the SEC. The Longhorns are recruiting. UH is moving to Big East.
2. The compressed season. I do not have the time or desire to try to watch 4 Rockets games in one week. Hell, I do good to catch a part of 1 game. So, if you assume the regular watchers would watch 1 or 2 games a week, and then there are 4 games, there's 50% of the games not being watched.
3. No superstar... If Ron Artest were still on the team, he'd be the most recognizable player and one of the better players... on the Lakers, they say he needs to be off the team. Being a scrappy team works great in some places. If these Rockets were in Indianapolis, they're ratings would be up, not down 40%.
4. The Rockets don't advertise for $#@!.... I don't know $#@! about them without TRYING to know about them. They forgot what got them big ratings... I bet their ad spend is way down... because...
5. No more Yao Ming... even when he wasn't playing, the Rockets were riding the Yao Ming train... they promo'd Yao... they promo'd Yao's injuries, marriage, restaurant... Now, nothing but an occasional, "please come to the game... we'll give you a ticket, a beer, and hotdog for $45!" Personally, I think the front office got lazy when it came to continuing to build the brand. They had a billion Chinese in T-Mac jerseys a couple years ago. Now, China is a New York Knick. Should have seen it coming.
6. Daryl Morrey - People are tired of an average basketball team... All of the trade magic and witchery has been for nothing. You have the team you put together, using your stats... and it's working for what you have. However, moneyball doesn't work in the NBA. It works in baseball because there are twice as many players and the difference between success and failure isn't as great (1/4 or .250 is $#@!ty, but 1/3 or .333 is awesome.) However, 'efficiency' in basketball gives you a scrappy team that's an under dog. You have to have a guy (if not two) who can, on any night, play "off the charts". Morrey's problem, imo, is that he is going to have to "lose" on a trade to get a superstar... otherwise, he just has 'assets'... they're only assets if they help you get better.
7. The team looks different. The scrappy vets that the fans got close to are gone. Lowry and Scola have been around. Martin is a transplant from last year. Budinger is a 2nd or 3rd year. Dalembert is new and Parsons is new. McHale is new.
A perfect storm of "meh" hit the Rockets this year. Hopefully, they are properly motivated going forward.
Comcast Sports New England is reporting the Rockets are interested in Paul Pierce.
Not sure how good that source is but they are reporting it
It's not like Morrey hasn't tried to get free agents to play in Houston, they just don't want to play here now. I agree he will have to lose on a trade to get a big name plyer here.
He has done pretty well in the drafts - especially the 2nd round.
Last edited by mycoxaphlopin; 03-02-2012 at 09:48 AM.
don't want pierce for a few reasons:
1. of the "big 3," he is the one that should forever remain a celtic.
2. he isn't the player he was even 3 years ago, let alone 5-6 years ago.
3. he has 3 years left on his contract.
if they want to trade for one of those guys, i'd rather them go for garnett or allen as they both only have another year on their contracts. garnett would actually add a solid defensive presence that the rockets desperately need.
if the celtics are serious about trading rondo, the rockets should try and work out a 3 way deal that sends scola and martin to boston, rondo to the lakers and pau gasol to houston (basically the chris paul trade, but with rondo taking paul's spot).
Blahhhhhhhhhhhh
Damn, another close loss. We haven't won since the All-Star break if I'm not mistaken. Those guys need to get it together before they fall out of the top 8
Pierce hit some huge shots to allow a Celtic victory today
$#@! it we need another big so bad. patrick patterson step it up. we don't need two finesse players at PF, you gotta play bigger son.
I'm sick of having Kevin Martin on my team. Can't wait til he's gone.
His job isn't to try... but, yeah, he tried.
He has done pretty well in the draft - which is how the team got to be a hang around team... if not for the drafting, they'd be terrible...
I find this hard to believe.
Sheeeit... Paul Pierce can still ball. I think he should be a Celtic for life, but that's just me thinking. He's better than anyone Houston has right now - and he would be the best player Houston has had since Dream... (Yes, better than Yao and T-Mac, because they couldn't stay on the court.)
Because he can't defend?
I feel similarly about Scola. Scola would be just fine if the Rockets had somebody... anybody... who could play either of the big spots on both ends. Scola is too un-athletic... 40,000 pump fakes like an old man.
Morey made a big trade before the season but Stern vetoed and $#@!ed our organization. I'll keep on spouting this same line every time Hoosier questions why our GM doesn't make more moves. Morey was getting rid of Martin and Scola, but since the commissioner butted in Hoosier can pretend that our GM is content with our current roster.
He tried to get Marc Gasol but Memphis matched...not too many other teams(if any) tried to sign a guy that is an All-Star level player. He went after Bosh. He went after Nene. He went after Gortat. I'm sure there are people that think Minnesota has a better front office than Houston because of their roster, even though the talent is only in Minny because they've had lottery draft picks since the beginning of time.
Kevin Martin can't defend and is one of the biggest pussies physically and mentally in the NBA. I'm sick of his flopping and he automatically gets shut down by any decent perimeter defender. Half of the fouls he draws wouldn't be called in the playoffs. Scola is an entertaining player but doesn't rebound/play defense well enough for us at the PF spot.
My point isn't that Morey isn't trying. Hell, I try, too. When I don't succeed, I get reminded that I need to $#@!ing succeed.
Morey gets A LOT of credit for trying. And, yeah, he's been dealt a $#@!ty hand more than once (Yao and Tracy going down, and Stern's trade veto.)
Fair enough, Hoosier. Unfortunately there have been too many obstacles in the way for the Rockets to make considerable roster changes. Morey seems to be much more active than other GMs. He has little to show for it, but it's not like any other franchise has been able to get lots of deals done over the last couple of years.
That's just it. He does lots of deals on the fringe. He's active. The Rockets don't need lots of deals. The Rockets don't need a bunch of lottery protected draft picks and 2nd steals. A few of those are needed to round out a team... but the Rockets are THAT team...
What has been Morey's best move? Here's the list:
http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/daryl_morey.htm
TRANSACTIONS:
SEASON 2011-12
February 8
Signed center Greg Smith.
February 7
Waived forward Jeff Adrien.
December 24
Waived center Marcus Cousin and signed center Samuel Dalembert.
December 22
Waived center Greg Smith.
December 20
Signed forward Jeff Adrien.
December 19
Waived forwards Marqus Blakely and Ibrahim Jaaber.
December 18
Signed forward Chandler Parsons.
December 14
Signed center Greg Smith.
December 12
Signed guards Jeremy Lin and Ibrahim Jaaber and forward Marcus Morris.
July 29 2011
Named Greg Buckner player development coach.
July 15 2011
Named JB Bickerstaff, Chris Finch and Brett Gunning assistant coaches.
June 28 2011
Exercised the contract options on guard Goran Dragic through 2011-12.
June 24 2011
Named Chris Finch assistant coach.
Draft 2011
Selected forwards Marcus Morris (14th overall pick), Nikola Mirotic (23rd overall pick) and Chandler Parsons (38th overall pick).
Traded center Brad Miller, the draft rights to forwards Nikola Mirotic and Chandler Parsons and a 2013 first-round pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves for guard Jonny Flynn and the draft rights to forward Donatas Motiejunas.
SEASON 2010-11
June 1 2011
Named Kevin McHale head coach.
April 13 2011
Signed guard Marqus Blakely.
April 11 2011
Signed center Marcus Cousin and waived forward DeMarre Carroll.
March 23 2011
Signed forward Mike Harris to a 10-day contract.
February 24 2011
Traded guard Ishmael Smith and forward Shane Battier to the Memphis Grizzlies for center Hasheem Thabeet, forward DeMarre Carroll and a future first-round pick. Traded guard Aaron Brooks to the Phoenix Suns for guard Goran Dragic and a future first-round pick.
December 15 2010
Traded the draft rights to forward Sergei Lishouk to the Los Angeles Lakers and a protected 2012 second-round pick to the New Jersey Nets for guard Terrence Williams. Traded guard Jermaine Taylor and cash to the Sacramento Kings for a protected second-round pick.
October 18 2010
Waived guards Antonio Anderson and Jerel McNeal and forwards Mike Harris and Alexander Johnson.
October 12 2010
Signed guard Jerel McNeal.
October 7 2010
Waived forward Patrick Sullivan and center Jordan Eglseder.
August 24 2010
Signed guard Ishmael Smith.
August 11 2010
Traded forward Trevor Ariza to the New Orleans Hornets for guard Courtney Lee from the New Jersey Nets.
July 28 2010
Traded center David Andersen and cash considerations to the Toronto Raptors for a 2015 protected second-round pick.
July 21 2010
Re-signed forward Luis Scola.
July 20 2010
Signed center Brad Miller.
July 19 2010
Matched the offer sheet tendered to guard Kyle Lowry by the Cleveland Cavaliers.
July 15 2010
Signed forward Patrick Patterson.
June 30 2010
Tendered qualifying offers to guard Kyle Lowry and forward Luis Scola.
Draft 2010
Selected forward Patrick Patterson (14th overall pick).
SEASON 2009-10
April 9 2010
Signed forward Alexander Johnson and waived center Hilton Armstrong.
March 24 2010
Signed forward Mike Harris.
March 22 2010
Named Sam Hinkie executive vice president of basketball operations.
March 2 2010
Signed guard Will Conroy to a second 10-day contract.
February 20 2010
Signed guard Garrett Temple to a second 10-day contract and waived forward Brian Cook.
February 18 2010
Traded guard Tracy McGrady to the New York Knicks for forwards Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill, a protected 2012 first-round pick and the right to exchange first-round picks in 2011; traded forwards Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey to the Sacramento Kings for guard Kevin Martin and center Hilton Armstrong.
February 8 2010
Signed guard Garrett Temple to a 10-day contract.
January 28 2010
Signed guard Will Conroy to a 10-day contract.
January 18 2010
Exercised the contract option on head coach Rick Adelam through 2010-11.
January 6 2010
Waived forward Mike Harris.
December 22 2009
Signed forward Mike Harris.
November 13 2009
Waived forward Pops Mensah-Bonsu.
October 30 2009
Exercised the contract option on guard Aaron Brooks through 2010-11.
October 23 2009
Waived guard Brent Barry.
October 22 2009
Waived guard Will Conroy.
October 21 2009
Waived guards Romel Beck and Garrett Temple.
September 25 2009
Signed a contract extension.
September 22 2009
Traded forward James White to the Denver Nuggets for the draft rights to forward Axel Hervelle; signed guards Romel Beck, Will Conroy and Garrett Temple.
September 17 2009
Named Gersson Rosas vice president of player personnel.
September 3 2009
Signed forward Pops Mensah-Bonsu.
August 13 2009
Signed forward Chase Budinger.
August 12 2009
Signed forward David Andersen.
August 5 2009
Signed guard Jermaine Taylor.
July 14 2009
Traded a future second-round pick, cash and future considerations to the Atlanta Hawks for a future second-round pick, cash and future considerations.
July 8 2009
Signed forward Trevor Ariza
Draft 2009
Traded cash to the Washington Wizards for the draft rights to guard Jermaine Taylor; traded cash to the Denver Nuggets for t the draft rights to guard Sergio Llull; traded a future second-round pick and cash to the Detroit Pistons for the draft rights to forward Chase Budinger.
SEASON 2008-09
March 23 2009
Signed forward James White for the remainder of the season.
March 13 2009
Signed forward James White to a second 10-day contract.
March 3 2009
Signed forward James White to a 10-day contract.
February 28 2009
Waived guard Luther Head.
February 19 2009
Traded a first-round draft pick to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Kyle Lowry; traded guard Rafer Alston to the Orlando Magic for forward Brian Cook.
December 30 2008
Signed center Dikembe Mutombo.
December 24 2008
Traded guard Steve Francis, a 2009 second-round pick and cash to the Memphis Grizzlies for a conditional 2011 second-round pick.
October 30 2008
Exercised the contract option on guard Aaron Brooks through 2009-10.
October 24 2008
Waived guard DJ Strawberry.
October 22 2008
Waived forward Mike Harris.
October 5 2008
Waived center Marcus Campbell.
September 29 2008
Matched the offer sheet tendered to Carl Landry by the Charlotte Bobcats; signed guard Von Wafer, forward Joey Dorsey and center Marcus Campbell.
August 29 2008
Traded forward Patrick Ewing Jr to the New York Knicks for the draft rights to center Frederic Weis.
August 25 2008
Traded guard Sean Singletary to the Phoenix Suns for guard DJ Strawberry.
August 14 2008
Traded guard Bobby Jackson, forward Donte Greene, a future first-round pick and other considerations to the Sacramento Kings for guard Sean Singletary and forwards Ron Artest and Patrick Ewing Jr.
August 6 2008
Traded forward Steve Novak to the Los Angeles Clippers for the option to exchange second-round picks in 2011.
July 16 2008
Signed forward Donte Greene and waived center Loren Woods.
July 10 2008
Signed guard Brent Barry.
June 30 2008
Exercised the contract option on forward Steve Novak through 2008-09.
June 29 2008
Tendered qualifying offer to forward Carl Landry.
Draft 2008
Traded the draft rights to forward Nicolas Batum to the Portland Trail Blazers for the draft rights to forward Joey Dorsey; acquired the draft rights to forward Donte Greene and a 2009 second-round pick from the Memphis Grizzlies.
SEASON 2007-08
April 1 2008
Signed center Loren Woods to a second 10-day contract.
March 29 2008
Signed forward Mike Harris for the remainder of the season.
March 21 2008
Signed center Loren Woods to a 10-day contract.
March 18 2008
Signed forward Mike Harris to a second 10-day contract.
March 8 2008
Signed forward Mike Harris to a 10-day contract and waived guard Gerald Green.
March 7 2008
Signed forward Justin Williams to a 10-day contract.
February 26 2008
Signed forward Bobby Jones to a 10-day contract and waived guard Adam Haluska.
February 21 2008
Traded guards Mike James and Bonzi Wells and cash to the New Orleans Hornets for guards Adam Haluska and Bobby Jackson, forward Marcus Vinicius and a second-round pick; traded forward Marcus Vinicius and the draft rights to Malick Badiane to the Memphis Grizzlies for the draft rights to forward Sergei Lishouk; traded guard Kirk Snyder to the Minnesota Timberwolves for guard Gerald Green.
October 31 2007
Exercised the contract option on guard Luther Head through 2008-09.
October 29 2007
Waived guards John Lucas and Bob Sura, forward Justin Reed and center Jackie Butler.
October 22 2007
Waived forward Mike Harris.
October 1 2007
Re-signed center Dikembe Mutombo, signed forward Carl Landry and named Kenny Atkinson director of player development and Pat Zipfel advance scout.
September 29 2007
Named Sam Hinkie vice president of basketball operations.
August 3 2007
Re-signed forward Chuck Hayes.
July 20 2007
Signed guard Steve Francis.
July 17 2007
Signed forward Luis Scola.
July 13 2007
Signed forward Mike Harris.
July 12 2007
Traded guard Vassilis Spanoulis, a 2009 second-round pick and future considerations to the San Antonio Spurs for center Jackie Butler and the draft rights to forward Luis Scola.
July 7 2007
Signed guard Aaron Brooks.
Draft 2007
Selected guards Aaron Brooks (26th overall pick) and Brad Newley (54th overall pick).
June 28 2007
Traded cash to the Orlando Magic for the 54th overall pick.
June 19 2007
Named Elston Turner, Jack Sikma, TR Dunn and RJ Adelman assistant coaches.
June 14 2007
Traded forward Juwan Howard to the Minnesota Timberwolves for guard Mike James and forward Justin Reed.
May 23 2007
Named Rick Adelman head coach.
May 18 2007
Fired head coach Jeff Van Gundy.
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