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    Quote Originally Posted by STFU Donny View Post
    Would probably have to cut Schaub. There's definitely some risk. But it's Peyton $#@!ing Manning.
    You'd have to cut Schaub and probably also let MW walk to resign the other FAs both this year and next (Duane Brown and Connor Barwin). You'd basically be going all-in on a 36(?) year old QB coming off of neck surgery. If Manning could play the entire season at a Peyton Manning level it's probably worth it, but that's a hell of a gamble to take, especially as young as this roster is. If we were a veteran-laden team who basically had one last shot this coming season I would consider it, but IMO under our circumstances it's too risky.

    On the other hand, it is Peyton $#@!ing Manning...

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    Peyton $#@!ing Manning, man that does sound good. I know one thing, if this does happen, many of my co-workers' heads would explode. We have lots of folks originally from Indiana, most are Colts/Peyton fans. I like ragging them when the Texans and Colts play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    It would make sense to do that if we were playing Madden, but Schaub is a guy that has worked with our team, our coaches, etc. most of his career. You can't measure the value of a guy that knows the system, has a great relationship/rapport with the guys, and has the tools to get the job done. Schaub is also much more athletic than Manning, and you need good feet for our system.

    Peyton is a HOF, no doubt, but no team gets Peyton Manning and doesn't expect him to do things his way, that's how he has been so successful.

    Also, the message is that you don't value the guys that have contributed and sold out to take this team where it wants to go. Schaub is one of the team leaders, he isn't underperforming, he isn't acting out, and he is well respected by his peers. I would love to have the Iron Man, 31-32 year old Peyton Manning, and would definitely do whatever it took to get him, if he were available. However, that guy is 36 now, a big question mark, and we already have a Pro-Bowl QB that is comfortable and effective in our system.

    We would have had a legit shot at a Super Bowl this year with Schaub under center.

    I would stay the course.
    I've said it before but it obviously bears repeating:

    Matt Schaub is not healthy.

    He has a serious lis franc injury that required surgery. That same injury has ended the careers of other NFL players. The best case scenario, that Schaub would be 100% recovered by opening day 2012, is extremely unlikely. And there is no assurance whatsoever that Schaub will ever be back to his old self.

    So there is considerable risk by "staying the course."

    Also, it might make sense to stay with Schaub given economic realities. However, the arguments you made are retarded:

    1. We shouldn't go after Peyton because Schaub "knows the system" and has a great "rapport with the guys." I could learn the system and have rapport with the guys, it doesn't mean I should be playing quarterback.

    2. Manning doesn't know the system or is not athletic enough. RETARDED. Manning is the smartest QB I have ever seen and there is no one on earth who would choose a 100% Schaub over a 100% Manning simply because Schaub knew the offense already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STFU Donny View Post
    I've said it before but it obviously bears repeating:

    Matt Schaub is not healthy.

    He has a serious lis franc injury that required surgery. That same injury has ended the careers of other NFL players. The best case scenario, that Schaub would be 100% recovered by opening day 2012, is extremely unlikely. And there is no assurance whatsoever that Schaub will ever be back to his old self.

    So there is considerable risk by "staying the course."

    Also, it might make sense to stay with Schaub given economic realities. However, the arguments you made are retarded:

    1. We shouldn't go after Peyton because Schaub "knows the system" and has a great "rapport with the guys." I could learn the system and have rapport with the guys, it doesn't mean I should be playing quarterback.

    2. Manning doesn't know the system or is not athletic enough. RETARDED. Manning is the smartest QB I have ever seen and there is no one on earth who would choose a 100% Schaub over a 100% Manning simply because Schaub knew the offense already.
    i'm not saying we should or shouldn't consider it, but where are you getting your schaub information? everything i've heard and read says he's ahead of schedule and will be participating in off season workouts. i've not read or heard one thing that says he won't be 100% by preseason.

    saying lisfranc injuries have ended careers so schaub's is in jeopardy is like saying people's careers have ended because of knee injuries, so anyone with a knee injury's career is at risk. there are differing levels of bone displacement, from what i hear, and schaub's was not as bad as some of the others.

    all that said, it would obviously have to be something peyton wanted, because he'll get more attractive offers from other teams. if we cut schaub and don't go after mario, we could conceivably pull it off.

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    If it would take us cutting Schaub(who's yet to be declared 100% healthy either) and letting Mario W walk in order to have Peyton $#@!ing Manning(we'd have to have some suriety that he's 100% or looking to be) as our opening day starter, you do that in a heart beat. Explain to me how that makes us worse that we were at the end of the season last year?

    The team was a muffed punt and some $#@!ty playcalling & Qb play in 4th qtr away from the AFC Championship game without the 2 players mentioned above.

    And please don't use the excuse that Schaub has a rapport with our guys, feel for our system and is more mobile as a reason not to sign Manning. Our system by all accounts is pretty qb friendly. Doesnt require the Qb to take many hits since most of the passing plays are boots or off of playaction. Not to mention our patented running play is the same one the colts utilitze in their offense (the stretch play off tackle) which is pretty much the extent of mobility a qb in our system would need. And it's Peyton Manning...he'd be teaching our offense to us by mid-season.

    If we can hit on a #2 receiver and give our D a full offseason to learn and improve, I'd love to see where this team can go this season. Don't get me wrong, I love Schaub and would like to see him if fully healthy back as our starter next season, but let's not act as if we all havent had some questions about him as well. Remember the end of the Oakland game?

    F' it man I like 'rangs' and would love to see Manning, with our talent, make a run at it and help bring us our first one!

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    BTW as much as I want Peyton I don't think the Texans will actually do it. Too many people in the organization have the same philosophy as Atticus.

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    Kendall Wright - WR - Player

    One league source assures ESPN Florida's Charlie Bernstein that his team is "not concerned at all" about Baylor WR Kendall Wright's disappointing 4.61 forty time.
    "Kendall Wright plays much faster than he was clocked," the source added. We suspect it's a sentiment shared by many teams, as Wright's slow time was due primarily to hand movement before he got cleanly out of his stance. On film, Wright played faster than Notre Dame's Michael Floyd (4.42) and Georgia Tech's Stephen Hill (4.36). Wright could fall right in the Texans' lap at No. 26 overall thanks to the "poor" Combine performance.
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    Hell $#@!ing yes...take Wright, cut JJ and Walter and use that money to sign Reggie Wayne and the WR position has vastly improved...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignatius View Post
    Hell $#@!ing yes...take Wright, cut JJ and Walter and use that money to sign Reggie Wayne and the WR position has vastly improved...
    Lance Z said on 790 yesterday that there is no way they cut Walter. Didn't hear the reason, but I'm guessing Kubiak loves him as a run-blocking WR. They said anyone who is drafted or signed as a FA would basically be taking Jacoby's position.

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    Grantland's piece on Mario:

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...mario-williams

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    Money quote:

    To be quite honest, Mario Williams shouldn't be a free agent. The Houston Texans failing to negotiate a contract extension with Williams before his deal expired will go down as one of the great mistakes in league history, like the Eagles failing to lock up Reggie White, or the Falcons letting Deion Sanders go. Their inability to lock up Williams with the franchise tag is going to be a franchise-defining moment for two teams: the Texans and whatever team is lucky enough to add the most valuable defender in the history of free agency to their roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    i'm not saying we should or shouldn't consider it, but where are you getting your schaub information? everything i've heard and read says he's ahead of schedule and will be participating in off season workouts. i've not read or heard one thing that says he won't be 100% by preseason.

    saying lisfranc injuries have ended careers so schaub's is in jeopardy is like saying people's careers have ended because of knee injuries, so anyone with a knee injury's career is at risk. there are differing levels of bone displacement, from what i hear, and schaub's was not as bad as some of the others.

    all that said, it would obviously have to be something peyton wanted, because he'll get more attractive offers from other teams. if we cut schaub and don't go after mario, we could conceivably pull it off.
    From what I have read (and it was on the internet, so it must be true), a lis franc injury doesn't always require surgery, but when it does require surgery, it is pretty serious and usually takes at least a year to recover fully. I haven't read anywhere that Schaub's injury is career-threatening, but I have read that the type of injury Schaub has can be career-threatening, and it seemed to be more serious than a garden-variety knee injury. (Yes, a knee injury could be career-ending but that's pretty rare.)

    The point I was trying to make is that Schaub's health is a big question mark just like Manning's. Yes you would take 100% Schaub over gimpy creaky Manning, but we don't know if that's what we would get (in either case).

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    Quote Originally Posted by alincoln View Post
    Grantland's piece on Mario:

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...mario-williams

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    Money quote:

    To be quite honest, Mario Williams shouldn't be a free agent. The Houston Texans failing to negotiate a contract extension with Williams before his deal expired will go down as one of the great mistakes in league history, like the Eagles failing to lock up Reggie White, or the Falcons letting Deion Sanders go. Their inability to lock up Williams with the franchise tag is going to be a franchise-defining moment for two teams: the Texans and whatever team is lucky enough to add the most valuable defender in the history of free agency to their roster.
    That article is written from the perspective of Mario's agent, not from an attempt at objective analysis:

    Disclaimer: This article is part of my series on free agency from the perspective of the agent, where I prepare Scott Boras-esque "books" that detail where each player stands in the marketplace and why he deserves as much of your team's money as possible. Normally, my goal is to use statistics and historical context to present the most accurate depiction of football that I can, but in this series, all I want to do is convince you to spend money on the player in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STFU Donny View Post
    From what I have read (and it was on the internet, so it must be true), a lis franc injury doesn't always require surgery, but when it does require surgery, it is pretty serious and usually takes at least a year to recover fully. I haven't read anywhere that Schaub's injury is career-threatening, but I have read that the type of injury Schaub has can be career-threatening, and it seemed to be more serious than a garden-variety knee injury. (Yes, a knee injury could be career-ending but that's pretty rare.)

    The point I was trying to make is that Schaub's health is a big question mark just like Manning's. Yes you would take 100% Schaub over gimpy creaky Manning, but we don't know if that's what we would get (in either case).
    totally - i hear what you're saying, and you might be right. i just feel like since the peyton to houston rumor started (thanks bob), people have been jumping to the conclusion that "if the texans are going after peyton, schaub must not be right." now i'll agree if the texans ARE in fact pursuing peyton than there may very well be question marks surrounding schaub's health. i just have no proof that the texans are going after him.

    the next several weeks will be interesting. brees will get resigned. someone will trade up for rg3. the colts will draft luck. someone is going to draft tannehill crazy early. someone will snag matt flynn and hope for the best. then when the smoke clears, the manning bidding will begin. if he looks around and the options aren't to his liking, i could see houston as a darkhorse situation. i just don't see it happening with what i've heard and read thus far.

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    manning wants to play for a super bowl contender plain and simple

    the texans will be a super bowl contender in 2012

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    that doesn't really narrow anything down. lots of teams become superbowl contenders with peyton manning healthy at qb.

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    Only sign Mario if he is reasonable salary wise or if you can sign and trade him for a higher draft pick...

    Sign the OLine guys, Driesen and Foster...

    Draft the best receiver available (Kendall Wright? Oh God Please!)

    Draft/Sign the best corner you can afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryGandorf View Post
    totally - i hear what you're saying, and you might be right. i just feel like since the peyton to houston rumor started (thanks bob), people have been jumping to the conclusion that "if the texans are going after peyton, schaub must not be right." now i'll agree if the texans ARE in fact pursuing peyton than there may very well be question marks surrounding schaub's health. i just have no proof that the texans are going after him.

    the next several weeks will be interesting. brees will get resigned. someone will trade up for rg3. the colts will draft luck. someone is going to draft tannehill crazy early. someone will snag matt flynn and hope for the best. then when the smoke clears, the manning bidding will begin. if he looks around and the options aren't to his liking, i could see houston as a darkhorse situation. i just don't see it happening with what i've heard and read thus far.
    That's true, I have not seen any real evidence that the Texans have any interest in pursuing Manning. I have every reason to believe the Texans are comfortable with Schaub and confident he'll be the week 1 starter.

    I'm just not sure that's the best mindset when Peyton $#@!ing Manning may be available.

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    Kubiak named AFC coach of the Year

    http://www.khou.com/sports/Texans-Ga...141114233.html

    KANSAS CITY – Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak has been named the 2011 AFC Coach of the Year in the upcoming NFL 101 Awards, which is the nation’s premier awards event dedicated exclusively to professional football. The voting was tabulated at the end of the regular season and is made up of 101 national sportswriters and broadcasters that cover the league all year-round. San Francisco’s Jim Harbaugh was named NFC Coach of the Year. In his sixth season in Houston, Kubiak led the Texans to a 10-6 mark and the franchises first ever playoff appearance and victory. The win total is also the highest in team history. According to the Kansas City Chiefs official website, the 2011 season award winners will be presented at the 42nd Annual NFL 101 Awards gala in Kansas City on Saturday. The awards were started in 1969 and has evolved into what many sports insiders consider the finest awards event of its kind.


    Other award winners include:

    Aaron Rodgers, QB, Green Bay - NFC Offensive Player of the Year
    Tom Brady, QB, New England Patriots – AFC Offensive Player of the Year
    Jared Allen, DE, Minnesota Vikings – NFC Defensive Player of the Year
    Terrell Suggs, LB, Baltimore Ravens – AFC Defensive Player of the Year
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    How much of a 'sure thing' is Williams? I know he had a great year last year, but it's going to cost a lot to get him... and aren't we relatively sure that we can get Wright or Floyd at 26, and aren't we relatively sure that they will be good receivers? Seems like the risk/reward is lower for the late-1st round pick than a pricey FA.

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    I would do everything in that scenario they spell out, except use less of the money and sign Mike Wallace instead of MW. You're giving up salary cap $$, but getting a proven Pro Bowl player who (barring injury) you know will produce in a major way in 2012 and for a few years to come; you can never say that about a guy you're about to draft at #26. Assuming that a Wallace contract will cost less over the next 3-4 years than Mario's, you also have money left over for next year when we go through this whole thing again with Brown and Barwin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by STFU Donny View Post
    How much of a 'sure thing' is Williams? I know he had a great year last year, but it's going to cost a lot to get him... and aren't we relatively sure that we can get Wright or Floyd at 26, and aren't we relatively sure that they will be good receivers? Seems like the risk/reward is lower for the late-1st round pick than a pricey FA.
    signing williams would have little to do with drafting wright/floyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STFU Donny View Post
    How much of a 'sure thing' is Williams?
    He's anything but. We got production out of his position at 1/18th the cost, so if he leaves, it won't bother me although I'd love to keep him. He's a solid->great player, but at the ridiculous price he'll ask of other teams you just don't get enough out of him - if he even stays on the field.

    I'm surprised to see how many of yall want to take Wright though. Great player, but he'll be shorter than most NFL CBs and he can't block, which makes him way too much of a question mark when compared to the other WRs in a very top-heavy WR class. Wright would do well in the slot for us because of his style of play and how we use the slot WR so effectively, but when compared to what Sanu, Hill or Randle can bring to the team, that's a no-brainer for me. And we get such good money value from the slot, I don't see us paying him to do the job that any fill-in can do, assuming we have big guys to draw coverage on the outside which those other guys give us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley View Post
    Yes, telling your team "Let's go win a $#@!ing Super Bowl" is a terrible message.



    Yes, Peyton Manning, Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, and Owen Daniels with a good offensive line has the potential to be really $#@!ty. Peyton would be clueless out on the field.
    My name is Bert. I am a fan of the Texans and our collective Superbowl dreams and I endorse this message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignatius View Post
    I would do everything in that scenario they spell out, except use less of the money and sign Mike Wallace instead of MW. You're giving up salary cap $$, but getting a proven Pro Bowl player who (barring injury) you know will produce in a major way in 2012 and for a few years to come; you can never say that about a guy you're about to draft at #26. Assuming that a Wallace contract will cost less over the next 3-4 years than Mario's, you also have money left over for next year when we go through this whole thing again with Brown and Barwin...
    Agreed. Wallace being available is big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeinthebox View Post
    Proverbial blind squirrel and acorn.

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    I agree do all that then sign Wallace

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    I also agree about Wallace. When they addressed team need in the draft with the corners, they drafted Kareem Jackson and it backfired. When they addressed it in free agency, they signed Joseph and Manning and it turned out awesome. Addressing the biggest team need with the 26 pick doesn't sit well with me, and the year Kareem was drafted it was a CB heavy draft. Bring in Wallace, draft the best available player with the 26.

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    If we sign Wallace we no longer have #26...and I'm fine with that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by STFU Donny View Post
    How much of a 'sure thing' is Williams WALLACE? I know he had a great year last year, but it's going to cost a lot to get him... and aren't we relatively sure that we can get Wright or Floyd at 26, and aren't we relatively sure that they will be good receivers? Seems like the risk/reward is lower for the late-1st round pick than a pricey FA.
    Duh, I meant "Wallace." How much of a sure thing is Wallace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STFU Donny View Post
    Duh, I meant "Wallace." How much of a sure thing is Wallace?
    He's 25 years old and is coming off his first Pro Bowl appearance. He's averaged 1,000 yards and 8 TD so far in his 3-year career. He's a $#@!ing badass...

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    He's a deep threat with a bad attitude. I can't see him fitting with the Texans, but we could use a receiver with his skill set.

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    790 is reporting that Arian Foster has agreed to a 5-year deal. No details yet.

    Who will they tag now? Myers? No one?

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    I am reporting interest in that report. Curious how much we gave him.

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    Won't mean much if they don't lock up Myers and Brisiel. Get it done, management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoBigRed View Post
    Won't mean much if they don't lock up Myers and Brisiel. Get it done, management.
    Agreed. The more I look at this the more Mario Williams looks expendable to me. We have to keep our OL in tact and get a 2nd WR. Our D can survive and thrive without MW if we have to. I want him back for sure, but if I had to pick him or keeping the OL together, I keep the OL.

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    Here are the reported terms:

    @JasonLaCanfora: Arian Foster . $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012.

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    Adios Mario. You were good. You were very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STFU Donny View Post
    Adios Mario. You were good. You were very good.
    Your avatar should say "Well, bye" instead of the hello. Lulz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGTBH View Post
    Only sign Mario if he is reasonable salary wise or if you can sign and trade him for a higher draft pick...
    Mario has produced in the NFL, and this contract is going to be extremely expensive. Why would another team not just sign Mario directly? A GM on another team has zero incentive to let the Texan sign him to a monster contract, and then give the Texans a draft pick.

    It's a tough call on Mario. The next 4-5 years for him could be huge, but then again he could get hurt. I say that the Texans needs to find a way to sign him. It may mean that they will leave some holes in the offense but loading up on talented defensive linemen and linebackers is never a bad strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BA93 View Post
    Mario has produced in the NFL, and this contract is going to be extremely expensive. Why would another team not just sign Mario directly? A GM on another team has zero incentive to let the Texan sign him to a monster contract, and then give the Texans a draft pick.

    It's a tough call on Mario. The next 4-5 years for him could be huge, but then again he could get hurt. I say that the Texans needs to find a way to sign him. It may mean that they will leave some holes in the offense but loading up on talented defensive linemen and linebackers is never a bad strategy.
    As important as defensive linemen may be, I say Mario is expendable. Houston had one of the best defenses in the NFL all year and 2/3 of the year was played without Mario. As long as Wade is commandeering this defense we will be fine without Mario.

    I still say that Brisiel and Myers are more important. As good as Arian is he ain't going anywhere without people to zone block. Get those two done and whatever happens with Mario happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoBigRed View Post
    As important as defensive linemen may be, I say Mario is expendable. Houston had one of the best defenses in the NFL all year and 2/3 of the year was played without Mario.
    I think people put to much stock into this season's defensive performance. Although Mario was hurt, we have 0 depth at OLB after Barwin / Reed. If it is at all feasible you sign Mario. Reed is your #3 in the rotation which allows for a fearsome pass rushing front and allows all your OLBs to rotate and remain fresh.

    Mario was on his ay to a monster season last year, even if our defense was good without him it can be better with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoBigRed View Post
    As important as defensive linemen may be, I say Mario is expendable. Houston had one of the best defenses in the NFL all year and 2/3 of the year was played without Mario. As long as Wade is commandeering this defense we will be fine without Mario.
    We may only have Wade for another season. I think his health problems kept him from getting any serious HC offers but that could change with another great defensive season.

    The Texans could franchise Mario and then find the money to fund the high 1-year salary. It's just poor planning on the Texans if Mario just signs with another team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BA93 View Post
    The Texans could franchise Mario and then find the money to fund the high 1-year salary. It's just poor planning on the Texans if Mario just signs with another team.
    I don't think Franchising him is an option financially due to the fall out it would cause with our other FAs. We need get him locked up long term, get Myers and see where the cards fall. Briesel is definitely last in line in regards to the players that we should bring back.

    The real question is what are we going to do with Schuab after next season. He will be 32 and isn't the most injury free guy there is. Do you hitch your wagon to that for another 3-5 years?

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    schaub / barwin / d. brown are all free agents next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by BA93 View Post
    The Texans could franchise Mario
    No they can't. That's the entire problem that is being discussed - how to keep him since franchising is not possible.

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    Franchising Mario would cost $21 million against the cap and they would have to be under the cap by March 13. Ain't happening.

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