The Texans weren't going to sign Mario. Mario is going to, likely, be the highest paid defender in the history of the NFL... mostly based on potential and the crazy timing... Good for him... he's going to set the bar for next year's craziness.
Letting Mario go is the smartest move for the franchise's future. I gotta give the front office credit for recognizing that he's not worth that type of money at all.
foster deal a "steal" for texans per rotoworld:
Arian Foster - RB - Texans
Texans re-signed RB Arian Foster to a five-year, $43.5 million contract, including $20.75 million guaranteed.
The deal pays roughly $30 million in its first three years, and includes a $12.5 million signing bonus. Foster will make $18 million in 2012, all but guaranteeing Mario Williams will be allowed to walk in free agency. As for Foster's contract, it's a steal for the Texans. He's easily been one of the NFL's top two running backs over the past two seasons, but the annual pay is only $8.7 million a year, fourth in the league at the position. Foster barely got more annual pay than DeAngelo Williams, and Williams even received more guaranteed. The Texans did have some leverage because they could have tagged or tendered Foster, but they won out here. Still just 25, Foster should be able to give the team at least three more strong seasons.
The dude's a really good player when healthy, but he ain't Bruce Smith or Reggie White. There's no way it makes sense to (in all likelihood) make him the highest-paid defender in NFL history, at least not in the Texans' situation...
Last edited by Ignatius; 03-05-2012 at 01:32 PM.
Posted this in the Foster deal thread, but wanted to also put it here. This is a good site to keep track of cap status. They update it ASAP after transactions happen.
Here is Houston's up-to-date cap status:
It also includes what they know about Foster's 2012 cap hit
If you are going to ask me whether Barwin or Mario would be better over the next 2-4 years, I would guess that 99% of the NFL would go with Mario. If you are guaranteeing the Barwin can repeat his 2011, then maybe its cool to go with Barwin instead. Barwin has shown his reliability to be at 50% for his NFL career so I think its a bit early to just hope that he can continue to adequately replace Mario.
Signing Mario might require restructuring of other contracts. so what. Is Rick Smith so busy that he can't figure out how to sign the one of the best front 7 players in the league?
Besides restructuring other contracts, they can just give Mario some ridiculous 10 year contract. Obviously he would never see the last 5-6 years of that agreement but they can then spread out the salary cap hit until a better time.
I find it ironic that there is an outrage letting Mario walk after there was such an outrage at him being a Texan in the first place.
they need to cut jacoby this afternoon
No doubt Jacoby is gone. Especially if we draft Floyd or another receiver in the first round.
In any event, the Pro Football Talk explains very succinctly when the Texans aren't signing Mario. In a 3-4 you don't have to be the greatest talent in the world to excel at outside linebacker, so the dollars on elite players are better spent somewhere else.
On another unrelated note, I just read on ESPN that the franchise number for OL is not split up between Tackles, Guards, and Centers, so franchising a center or a guard is pretty much a non-starter because you end up paying tackle money.
Foster signed a 5-yr deal with a $12.5m signing bonus (prorated to $2.5m per year across the 5 yr deal). If the Texans cut him before next season, they'll take a $10m cap hit.
Edit: By "next season", I mean 2013....technically, they have already paid him for 2012.
Last edited by bikerack; 03-05-2012 at 02:38 PM.
However, you can use this to hold onto more higher quality players at the current time. I think the 2012 Texans are just at the point of perhaps competing for a Super Bowl and should take some risks that would hurt the 2017 Texans.
Dropping Leinart and Jacoby frees up 8M cap at the cost of 300K cap (remaining of Jacoby's signing bonus.)
Edit: never mind on Demeco, his contract is through 2015 so it would cost $3.75MM against the cap to cut him.
Last edited by STFU Donny; 03-05-2012 at 03:03 PM.
The Texans can free up a chunk of cap space by converting part of some players 2012 salary to a signing bonus and prorating it.
For example, OD will make $3.5m next year and has 3 yrs left on his deal. If they convert $2.5m of his 2012 salary into a bonus and prorate it over the 3 yrs left on the deal, they will save $1.66666m in cap space.
If they were to do that to a couple of the higher priced players like Andre and JJ, they could save $8m or more between those 2.
Last edited by bikerack; 03-05-2012 at 03:12 PM.
With both Jacoby Jones and Matt Leinart you also have to factor in any guaranteed money in the contract; if we still haven't paid them up to the guarantee, we'd take the full cap hit for the difference this season.
JJ has a $3MM total guarantee, and to date he's been paid a total of $917,280 in salary and total signing bonus; if we cut him today, we owe him another $2.082MM, all of which goes to this year's cap. In addition, we'd have to take a cap hit of $300K for his unprorated signing bonus, for a total cap hit in 2012 of $2.383MM; if he plays this year, his cap hit is $4.941MM. Cutting Jacoby frees up $2.558MM on the cap.
Leinart has a total $3.75MM guarantee, and he was paid $2.5MM last season (no signing bonus). We'd owe him another $1.25MM this year as opposed to the $3MM on his contract, so cutting Leinart frees up $1.75MM on the cap.
All told, that's another $4.309MM on the cap from cutting those two.
i think i read someplace that they were working on restructuring demeco.
i gotta feel like leinart and jacoby are gone regardless of cap hit.
i'd love to see us slow play the wr situation. there are a ton in free agency, not to mention guys like wallace who's a rfa. there are vets like wayne and hines ward (although he may just be done). there are trouble making studs like desean (via trade) and vincent jackson. saints probably can't keep colston after the brees mess. stevie johnson is re-upping right now. and this is also a deep wr draft class.
we'll draft one, and then hopefully wait for the smoke to clear in free agency, then swoop in and get someone worth a $#@!.
Given the depth at WR in both the free agent and draft classes, this is a good year to need a WR...
The real question with regard to Mario is: What else can the Texans do with the money? Assuming the Texans even have the money to sign him, why would they throw that much money his way? If the Texans sign Mario, the defense gets somewhat better. But what can the Texans get if they use that same money to sign other free agents? Mario is a great player. No doubt. But it seems to me that the Texans get more bang for the buck by using the money elsewhere.
We need WR help, OLB help, #3 tackle help in that order.
We have to resign Myers, Breisel I would like back but he is the most replaceable up front.
It may not be financially feasible but I would love to have Mario back and I think he would have a huge impact plus our team would not be completely screwed if he, Reed or Barwin got injured.
As it stands now if Barwin or Reed go down we are deep doo doo.
D.Brown needs to get locked down, dude is a stud and Cushing will be locked up as well.
Again, Schuab is the big question mark. I think he would be a question mark even if he was healthy at his age and injury history. Now he is coming of Lisfranc surgery..... realistically he probably wont be able to go until mid season. Do you pin your team to a tough, but fragile not very mobile dude coming of a serious foot injury?
What is my argument? That going into 2013 we will have a 32 year old QB, that has a history of injuries, including one in which will affect his already limited mobility, causing him to take more hits.Originally Posted by swonie
I hope the guy is healthy and ready to play at the beginning of the season, and is able to play at the level he was playing before injury last season. That would be awesome, but realistically that probably won't be the situation.
I am not advocating TJ Yates or anything like that. I just think Schuab's situation is really the lynch pin in the team future success or failure.
Last edited by Fico; 03-06-2012 at 03:58 PM.
Why would they say all signs point to Schaub being ready to go by summer camp if that's not the case? I get the misinformation during a season, but why lead on a fanbase in the offseason? No way Schaub, the Dr that performed the surgery and the team's medical staff want the scrutiny that would follow them building up the fanbase to believe he'll be ready to go only to suffer a "setback" before the season starts.
The whole point of my post is that Schuab suffered a severe injury last season, he has missed significant time in 3 out of 5 seasons. If he makes it through next season that will mean 50% of the time, he works every time. He will be 32 after next season. Is that someone that you hitch a team too for another couple to four years that could possibly significantly affect other signings ala Cushing, Barwin, D. Brown?
Gandorf if I am wrong about the injury recovery, in addition to $#@!ting a golden Greenspoint, I will eat the largest serving of crow you can chef up.
I would like to be wrong on this issue.
i'm not sure where the "hitch a team for 2-4 years" came from, but i would assume with his contract being up, that they will use the 2012 season to figure that out. i have faith in rick smith to do what's best for the team. i don't think anyone is arguing for or against them giving schaub a 5 year extension right now.
After the 2012 season we have to lock up our #1 pass rusher (assuming no Mario), our LT, and arguably our best player on defense in Cushing. A 32 year old Schuab and his contract will have significant effect on the team's FAs that year. I am not advocating any decision one way or another I just think it a very critical decision that right now, today, I can see going either way.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...w_teams_030612Peyton Manning derby: Ranking 12 potential landing spots for QB’s services
1. Houston Texans: I know there was a report a few weeks ago from the Houston Chronicle’s highly reliable John McClain that Manning to the Texans is “not going to happen.” But it should, and I believe the franchise’s powerbrokers (owner Bob McNair, general manager Rick Smith and head coach Gary Kubiak) are smart enough to give the idea strong consideration. The Texans have everything Manning could possibly want: A terrific defense; a premier running back (Arian Foster); an elite receiver (Andre Johnson) and other dangerous targets; an exceptional offensive line; a fabulous stadium with a roof; and a seemingly weak division that, oh yeah, happens to include the Colts. This team is a Super Bowl contender with Matt Schaub under center; if Manning is healthy and able to regain his throwing touch, I think the Texans are Super Bowl favorites. Schaub, while accomplished, has been injury-prone and has struggled against top-notch competition. He turns 31 in June and has missed five or more games in three of his five seasons as the Texans’ starter, along with failing to finish several other starts (Sage Rosenfels closed out four games in 2007). Houston could free up approximately $7 million of cap space by cutting Schaub, which would give the franchise a nice start toward making a deal with Manning work financially for both sides. Granted, this would be a risk, but, worst-case scenario, Smith and Kubiak are high on T.J. Yates, who filled in as a rookie for the injured Schaub and led Houston to its first-ever playoff victory in January. If the Texans take the leap of faith, Manning should jump at the opportunity.
Schaub may very well be healthy and ready to go by opening day, but I don't think you can just accept the word of the Texans PR department as gospel truth.
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