Bob Allen trying to go out with a bang.
Bob Allen trying to go out with a bang.
Would be awesome to get a HoFer but I'm not going to get too excited. Between our cap problem and Schaub, there's a lot of hurdles to clear before this is even possible, and there are other teams out there that need a QB and will pursue him to the max $ value.
Last edited by Mikeinthebox; 02-14-2012 at 09:28 AM.
Peyton would require an offensive overhaul and I don't see it happening if there is a francise tag put on Arian.
If Chris Myers leaves in free agency, that could change our draft needs too and may force us to take Peter Konz if he's there. Would be a great pick too, but only necessary if we lose Myers.
* - Mario was a $15.1MM hit this past season
Doing both of these effectively frees up $22.3MM on this year's cap, which would be more than enough money to sign a 36 year old QB coming off of neck surgery, HOF or not. I'm fairly certain Peyton could adapt rather quickly to the Texans' offensive scheme.
That said, it's never gonna $#@!ing happen...unless a negative prognosis for Schaub's recovery comes up between now and when free agency starts. All bets are off then...
I know nothing about Schaub's anticipated recovery period, surgery success rate, etc. Can Schaub make a 100% recovery from lins franc (?) surgery?
A Lisfranc injury is a very serious, often season and sometimes career threatening injury. Untreated, a Lisfranc injury can lead to chronic, debilitating pain in the midfoot. The injury also is a cause of secondary arthritis of the involved joints which is possible even with the appropriate care (surgical or not), but is considerably higher if not treated in a timely fashion.Stable Lisfranc injuries that do not require surgery may cause an athlete to miss 2 months or more of their season. However, most athletes are able to successfully return at some point. Those injuries that are unstable, and require surgical repair, are serious injuries that almost always cause the injured athlete to miss the remainder of their season. It is also not uncommon for a high level athlete to not be able to return to the same level of athletic performance even in following seasons. Two well-known examples are Eric Rhett and Duce Staley both of whom had surgery for a serious Lisfranc injury and never successfully returned to their pre-injury form.
thanks for that....
article posted 2 days ago by John McClain re: mario
The Texans have a lot of business to take care of in free agency and the draft, but it all starts with Mario Williams.
Not Peyton Manning. They have no interviews lined up with free-agent cornerback Stanford Routt, either.
The Texans want to keep their players — players who played roles in the best season in team history.
Williams is potentially the most expensive piece in a free-agent puzzle.
Ideally, they would re-sign him before he becomes an unrestricted free agent on March 13, but there’s only so much they can offer him. They’re cap-strapped after spending so much last season on players such as cornerback Johnathan Joseph and free safety Danieal Manning.
Williams has told teammates and coaches he wants to stay with the Texans. If he really does, he should tell agent Ben Dogra to make it happen.
General manager Rick Smith and vice president of football administration Chris Olsen will have to clear up enough cap space to make Williams a great offer — so great that he’s willing to give them a hometown discount.
In his six seasons with the Texans, Williams has made $54 million, including $18 million last season. His franchise designation will be 120 percent of last year’s salary, about $22.9 million. If the Texans were to franchise him, they’d be paralyzed with the remainder of their roster.
Not the only free agent
The Texans would like to have enough cap room to re-sign center Chris Myers, right guard Mike Brisiel, tight end Joel Dreessen and kicker Neil Rackers, among others.
They also want to sign running back Arian Foster to an extension. He’s a restricted free agent. They’ll tender him the maximum. If he signs an offer sheet with another team and the Texans don’t match, they’d receive a first-round pick as compensation. They have every intention of keeping Foster.
The Texans also would like to sign some players to extensions before their contracts expire after the 2012 season. Left tackle Duane Brown and outside linebacker Connor Barwin, both of whom had outstanding seasons, could be the most likely candidates to be extended.
Back to Williams. In a perfect world, the Texans would sign him before free agency begins. Then they’d have a better idea about their cap situation, which would help them in negotiations with players like Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen and Rackers.
Dogra knows — and so do the Texans — if Williams hits the open market, there’s a good chance he’ll become the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history. Is he worth it? He is if somebody will pay him that much money.
Big bonus elsewhere?
Considering the obscene amounts some teams — mostly bad ones — have under the cap, several could guarantee Williams $50 million as a signing bonus. The Texans aren’t in position to offer that.
Some ask why the Texans are willing to spend so much on Williams when the defense proved last season it could excel without him. They believe the Texans should let Williams walk and use the money saved to re-sign their other players and go after one of the veteran free-agent receivers expected to be available.
Smith, owner Bob McNair, coach Gary Kubiak and defensive coordinator Wade Phillips want Williams back. Phillips wants to have Williams, Barwin and Brooks Reed on the field in passing situations. Imagine what kind of mismatches Phillips could create with that kind of pass-rush talent.
Williams bought into Phillips’ system right away. He recorded five sacks in five games. Phillips was so excited about Williams he thought he could have finished with 16 to 20. Think about what Williams might be able to accomplish with an offseason under Phillips.
Before Williams suffered his season-ending pectoral injury, he helped make Antonio Smith a better pass rusher. Playing next to each other, Williams had five sacks and Smith 4½ before Williams was injured. Smith didn’t record another sack until near the end of the season and finished with a career-high 6½.
If Williams leaves, the Texans will have to replace him with a first- or second-round draft choice. As Phillips says, a 3-4 defense can never have too many outside linebackers.
If Williams leaves, who can blame him for wanting to become the highest-paid defensive player in history?
A lot can happen before March 13, but one thing is certain: If the Texans can’t keep him, they don’t want to see him in the AFC South and have to play against him twice a year.
Williams taking "whatever happens, happens” approach
LinkThe biggest question of the Texans’ offseason is what will happen with the man who is, literally and figuratively, one of their biggest players.
Mario Williams, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2006 draft and a two-time Pro Bowler, will become an unrestricted free agent on March 13. He is the Texans’ all-time leader in sacks with 53 and an imposing physical specimen of an outside linebacker at 6-6, 285 pounds, but he spent the final 11 games of last season on injured reserve while the Texans finished second in the NFL in defense under Wade Phillips.
On Thursday, Williams discussed how he feels about his impending free agency.
“It’s football and it’s a business,” he said. “To me, I’ve really been focused on getting back to my full strength and healthy, so I haven’t really paid too much attention on it because it’s something that just hasn’t come. Coach (Gary) Kubiak, he told me from day one after the season ended, it’s a process and just let it take its place and don’t worry about it, so that’s all I’ve been doing is just really focusing on getting healthy.”
Williams, 27, said he is 100 percent after a torn pectoral muscle ended his 2011 season in Week 5. He has been working out daily at Reliant Stadium. He said he has not paid attention to the hoopla surrounding his situation, instead passing the time by playing Xbox at his home in West Houston ("Battlefield 3" and "Gears of War" are his favorites, in case you were wondering).
“I’m doing great,” Williams said. “I had a very speedy recovery. It was unfortunate that I couldn’t have been a part of the team on the field, but I’m doing great and everything’s looking good right now.”
But the speculation about Williams’ future has been building as free agency approaches, and the questions are many.
For instance, is it Williams’ first choice to be in Houston?
“Well, you know, I mean, I love it here,” he said. “We’ve got everything we need here. The team is obviously right where it needs to be at, and we were a couple plays away from getting to the Super Bowl, I feel like. So I definitely – the pieces fit, but once again, you know, it’s part of the business, so whatever happens, happens.”
Would Williams consider signing with the Texans before free agency begins, or does he want to test the open market?
“It’s just part of the process, like I said,” he said. “It’s just one of those things that I have to go through. The draft is coming up, and I think the Combine and all that stuff, so I know they’ve got a lot of things on their plate. So to me, I’m just waiting. It’s just part of being in this position and I’m just waiting for it. I don’t know what’s going to happen, personally.”
Is Williams intent on trying to become the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history?
“I’m not worried about that,” Williams said. “Money is money at the end of the day, and it’s really not that big of a deal for me. Whatever best fits for myself and the team, whichever it may be, then so be it. I’m not focused on telling my agent (Ben Dogra), ‘Hey, do this or do that because I want to be the highest paid player, bla bla.’ You know, I was the first pick, so I’ve had everything I’ve ever really wanted already, so my biggest thing is just being in a good position, being in a good fit, being in a good scheme or system and just being able to continue my career and progress.
“My goal isn’t to go and say, ‘I want to be this and that’ or say, ‘I want this and that.’ It’s just whatever’s out of respect for the position and whatever you bring to the team I feel like is adequate.”
Last offseason, much was made about Williams’ transition from 4-3 defensive end to 3-4 outside linebacker. Many pundits wrote him off as being too big for the position.
Williams wound up with five sacks in five games – actually, four games and less than one full quarter – before tearing his pec against the Oakland Raiders. It was a small sample size, but Williams is excited about the progress he made under Phillips.
“It was great,” he said. “I crawled before I could walk in the preseason. I just took it real slow, and then whenever the live bullets started shooting, it was all in. Everything worked out. We were doing great, and I was adjusting to the position and then all of a sudden, this happened with my pec, but I feel great. 3-4, 4-3, it really doesn’t matter.
“Coach Phillips is phenomenal, and just the way that he motivates us and the way that he puts us in positions to make plays, there’s ample opportunity for everything.”
Having been with the Texans for six seasons, Williams has developed a close relationship with the fans in Houston, and with Kubiak, who also arrived in 2006. Williams was Kubiak’s first draft pick, a controversial No. 1 overall selection over Reggie Bush and Vince Young.
“Obviously, everything from the beginning was a little rough, for myself and Coach,” Williams said. “We were both new here and with the draft and all the other stuff that was going on, but the city has completely turned around. I love it here. The fans here, every day – especially now – I go out, people are talking to me, wanting autographs or whatever and asking about the contract and I tell ‘em I don’t know anything and they think I’m lying, but I really don’t know anything. But the fanbase has been phenomenal here over my six years.
“And Coach Kubiak, he’s just at another level, man. I can honestly say I love him to death. He’s a great guy and I wish nothing but the best for him, and I’m sure every player does as well.”
Whether that sentimentality plays a role in Williams’ decision-making this offseason remains to be seen. The Richlands, N.C., native said it would mean “a lot” if he were able to work things out with the Texans and continue his career in Houston, which he now considers to be his home.
In the meantime, Williams will continue to do what he has been doing. Asked if this is a nervous time or exciting time for him, he replied, laughing as he did so, “It’s an Xbox time.”
“That’s the way I deal with it,” he said. “I feel like it’s a process and it’s part of football and it’s part of being in my position. Honestly, I come (to Reliant Stadium), train, work out and play Xbox. That’s about it. I think more people know more about this than I do. I don’t see the TV, I don’t read the paper.
“At this point, I’m really not even worried about it. Like I said, whatever’s going to happen is going to happen, so I just take it one day at a time and don't really worry about it.“
Phillips wants to have Williams, Barwin and Brooks Reed on the field in passing situations
dear god let this happen !
Phillips wants to have Williams, Barwin and Brooks Reed on the field in passing situations
Too late to add to above post...first time I've seen anything 'definite' on the amount of cap space for next season:
The numbers are in.
One of the new parts of the NFL collective bargaining agreement is the ability of teams to roll over remaining cap room into the next season. The 2011 season finished with $320 million of remaining cap room. Thirty teams carried over $301.78 million of unused cap money to give the 32 teams approximately $711 million of combined room as they start to prepare for the 2012 season.
The 2011 salary cap was $120.375 million, and the 2012 ceiling is expected to be close. The exact number is calculated based on revenues and should be available in the next week or two.
The Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers didn't have enough remaining room to push money over into 2012, so Houston has $3.3 million of cap space and San Diego has $9.2 million.
The Jacksonville Jaguars didn't spend $31 million of cap room in 2011, so they now have $45 million of room. The Kansas City Chiefs have $62.995 million after budgeting $24.014 million from the 2011 season. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, thanks to $23.519 million of carryover cap money, have the second-most cap space with $60.496 million. The Cincinnati Bengals moved over $15 million from last year and have $60 million to spend. Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins has plenty of room to get quarterback and receiver help, thanks to $47.56 million of cap space. The 2011 playoff teams in good shape are the Denver Broncos ($50.735 million of cap room), San Francisco 49ers ($39.33 million), Atlanta Falcons ($30.6 million) and New England Patriots ($20 million). To get to the $50 million mark, the Broncos carried over $26 million of unused cap.
Four teams still have to get under the salary cap by March 13. They are the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have redone three contracts to be $11.7 million over, the Oakland Raiders ($11 million over), the Carolina Panthers ($9.6 million over) and the New York Giants ($7.3 million over).
INDIANAPOLIS — Everywhere Texans general manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak go at the scouting combine, they are asked about Mario Williams.
Friends and foes want to know if the Texans will be able to re-sign Williams, their outside linebacker who’ll be an unrestricted free agent March 13 if he doesn’t get a deal he likes to stay home.
“Mario’s a great player, and we want him to be a part of our team and our organization, so we’re working hard to figure out a way to get that done,” Smith said Friday during his annual media session. “I think we’ve been very clear. We’d love to have him back.
“I don’t talk a whole bunch about negotiations publicly, but I think there’s no doubt that all the parties involved know what the desire is, and that’s for him to be here.”
In his six seasons Williams, 27, has made $54 million, including $18 million last season. The Texans are barely under the salary cap and can’t afford to franchise Williams who would count $22.9 million against the cap.
“I didn’t write the deal,” Smith said about Williams’ contract. “It’s a function of the first pick in the draft. It’s a function of the timing of going into the last cap year. There’s a number of nuances and variables that impacted that deal.”
Adjust the numbers
To make Williams an offer that will get his attention – and to re-sign free agents and to sign others to extensions – Smith and vice president of football administration Chris Olsen have to free-up cap dollars.
Veterans will be asked to restructure contracts.
“Yeah, we have to,” Smith said about restructuring contracts. “We’ve got to look at some deals and restructure some contracts and try to get creative. I’ve challenged Chris to come up with as many available opportunities we can have.”
Smith also would like to sign running back Arian Foster, 25, to an extension. He made $525,000 last season. As a restricted free agent, he could get an offer sheet from another team.
Foster could get tagged
The Texans could franchise Foster. The franchise tag is worth $7.7 million.
“We will use every available option that we have,” Smith said. “We’ll try to make the decisions that give us the best chance to impact our team.
“We’re having all of those conversations and discussions without revealing too much of what our thought process is.”
Kubiak called Williams and Foster “important pieces of the puzzle.
“Mario is part of the growth of this organization when it started back at the bottom six years ago. He was a great draft choice. We think a great deal of Mario as a player and even more so as a person. He’s been wonderful for our team.”
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Yeah, and that's one major issue with restructuring contracts is you end up adding years and dollars to them. You could free up cap space for Mario (and others) by extending Schaub now, but coming off the injury do you really want to do that?
Wow Stephen Hill (WR, GaTech) killed it at the combine...yeah he had like just 3 catches a game in that Paul Johnson offense, but 4.3 at 6'4" 215lb with a 40" vertical and good hands on display...
Surprised Kendall Wright ran a 4.6, dude plays way faster than that. Michael Floyd ran a 4.47, he might be moving out of the Texans range...
wright better make up some time on baylor pro day
floyd just shot up the boards with that solid showing
"To see Kendall Wright run 4.6, I was stunned.''
-- NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock, on what was thought to be a speed receiver from Baylor coming into the combine. Wright has to do some major draft rehab at the Baylor pro day, March 21 in Waco.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1nclHdeTo
Report: Packers pursuing Texans center Chris Myers
Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2012, 8:54 AM EST
Chris Myers, Arian Foster AP
In public, Packers G.M. Ted Thompson won’t reveal much about his plans for 2012, or any year. Behind closed doors, he reportedly has begun pursuing at least one player who is under contract with another team.
Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that, with efforts to re-sign center Scott Wells going nowhere, the Packers have turned their attention to Texans center Chris Myers. Specifically, McGinn reports that the Packers met with Myers’ agent, Drew Rosenhaus, to discuss Myers.
Wells is 31, but Myers isn’t far behind. He’ll be 31 on September 15. (That’s also Florio Jr.’s birthday. Who is now nearly large enough to play center for the Packers. Or the Texans. Or any other team.)
It’s a clear and direct violation of the rules for the Packers to talk to Myers, but the Packers aren’t the only team doing it. Indeed, if the famously rules-conscious Thompson is tampering, everyone is tampering.
“Almost every re-signing, waiver and UFA signing upcoming germinate from supposedly illegal club-agent meetings in Indy,” McGinn writes. “All happens here.”
McGinn uses “supposedly” because the rules prohibit meetings with free agents who won’t be free until March 13 at 4:00 p.m. ET. But no one follows the rules. Indeed, as the Packers negotiate with Myers, Wells undoubtedly is negotiating with some other team, or teams.
Sometimes, this gauging of the market helps lay the foundation for a player to stay put. The bigger issue is that tampering remains rampant, and the NFL will continue to look foolish until the rules are revised to reflect the reality.
more of the same...
The Houston Chronicle expects the Texans to use their No. 26 pick on a wide receiver.
That is, "unless they need an outside linebacker to replace Mario Williams." LSU's Rueben Randle lobbied for the pick at the Combine. "It would be great to play with a receiver like Andre Johnson," Randle said. Along with Randle, Rutgers' Mohamed Sanu, Baylor's Kendall Wright and Georgia Tech's Stephen Hill could all be possibilites for the Texans at No. 26.
We need to cut Leinart/JJones/KWalter and free up some cap space, and re-sign Foster, Myers, and then Mario if we can, then Brisel. Everyone else draft or FA.
Saw Earl Bennett north of Houston (Spring) last night. Just sayin'
I laugh at the concern over Kendall Wright's 40 time. The guy is a $#@!ing baller. His diving TD catch and tip-toe on the sidelines for another TD vs. K-State were 2 of the best individual plays by a WR I saw all season.
Why do people give a $#@! what a player runs in spandex on a track? Give these guys a helmet and shoulder pads, and then evaluate their speed. Wright is plenty fast and displayed it vs. Big 12 defensive backs. That said, if this combine nonsense makes him fall to the Texans I'll be a happy man.
I've heard a million conversations about Mario. Mario is a great player. We all want Mario on the team going forward. Our defense is better with Mario than without Mario. That's all well and good, but it totally misses the point.
The questions that need to be answered are:
1. How much better is the team if we spend $15 million/year (or whatever it ends up costing) on Mario?
2. How much better is the team if we cut Mario loose and spend the same $15 million on other players?
There's only so much money to go around. I don't have a plan mapped out as to how best to sprinkle that $15 million around to shore up other parts of the team, but it seems crystal clear to me that the Texans would be better off taking the Mario money (assuming they can even find it) and spending it elsewhere.
It sucks for Mario that he got hurt in 2011. If he plays all year, we have no data on what happens when he's gone. He did get hurt though and it's pretty clear that the Texans defense didn't fall apart in his absence. I just don't see the Texans getting much bang for their buck by resigning him.
Above and beyond that discussion is Mario's history of injury. First he was playing through bad feet. Then he was playing through a bad shoulder. Props to him for playing hurt, but there was a whole lot of excuse making over the years on Mario's behalf. It was always something, even before the torn pectoral. Is Mario damaged goods? Buyer beware.
i see it as a bit of a no lose situation. if he wants to break the bank, he's gonna sign somewhere else. we can't afford to make him the highest paid defensive player in history. if he truly wants to stay, and we sign him, it will be for something that we can afford, which means we also extended foster and kept myers.
seeing what injuries did to the team this past season makes me want to keep him, as we'll have outstanding depth, and will be able to rotate guys in and out of the front 7 like wade wants. with mario + a healthy schaub/foster/johnson + what we get in the draft + a possible veteran receiver, we'll be in great shape. if most of those players were healthy, we would've been a 12+ win team this past season, and i don't feel like we got a ton of breaks on the field.
i'm excited to see what happens, but i think neither is make or break for this team, since we have no glaring holes, outside the #2 wr.
If Wright couldn't run faster than a 4.9 I might be concerned, but 4.6 isn't that slow, especially if the guy has good hands and runs good routes. If you look at the fastest 40 times for WRs over the past few years, none of those dudes are stars, and I'm not sure most of them are even NFL starters, except DeSean Jackson.
Obligatory "Jerry Rice never ran faster than 4.6" statement.
I just hope Floyd OR Wright is still there at 26.
a question for you texan fans:
i was checking out combine results for the last 6 years at various positions to see what workout wonders ended up being productive players and who didn't and if there was any correlation between certain results at the combine and actual results on the field.
one name came up very high in the TE category yet i hadn't heard of the guy. his name is dorin $#@!erson, he was drafted by the texans in 2010 i think, then went immediately to the steelers and now he is with new england. whats the story with this guy? he was fast as hell and could jump through the roof and looked like a steal to the texans in the 7th round but he can't seem to get on the field. did he get a real shot with houston? what are his issues?
We moved him to WR, and he never got to play, and didn't stand out during the preseason. I think he should've stayed at TE, but whatever. He never got into trouble or got injured as far as I know.
Would Peyton take a pay cut? We're having issues figuring out out to sign all our pieces but we can make a legit run at Peyton Manning? With all the teams that are desperate for a qb and still have plenty of cap room? I'm skeptical.
It wouldn't make sense for us to take Peyton. It sends the wrong message to our team, sets us back as an offense for most of the season, and if he got hurt again, we are back to Yates all year.
Schaub's contract is coming up soon, so he knows this is his year to put himself into that next level of QB. Hopefully he responds to the challenge of taking this team to the next level, and, most importantly, stays healthy.
A healthy Peyton is one of the five best QBs of all time and the best QB in the NFL right now, and he's said he will take a contract that is heavily incentive-based. And we have no idea if Schaub will be healthy and effective, and even if he is, he ain't Peyton.
I think it is a no-brainer for the Texans to make a big push to get Peyton.
Yes, Peyton Manning, Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, and Owen Daniels with a good offensive line has the potential to be really $#@!ty. Peyton would be clueless out on the field.sets us back as an offense for most of the season
It would make sense to do that if we were playing Madden, but Schaub is a guy that has worked with our team, our coaches, etc. most of his career. You can't measure the value of a guy that knows the system, has a great relationship/rapport with the guys, and has the tools to get the job done. Schaub is also much more athletic than Manning, and you need good feet for our system.
Peyton is a HOF, no doubt, but no team gets Peyton Manning and doesn't expect him to do things his way, that's how he has been so successful.
Also, the message is that you don't value the guys that have contributed and sold out to take this team where it wants to go. Schaub is one of the team leaders, he isn't underperforming, he isn't acting out, and he is well respected by his peers. I would love to have the Iron Man, 31-32 year old Peyton Manning, and would definitely do whatever it took to get him, if he were available. However, that guy is 36 now, a big question mark, and we already have a Pro-Bowl QB that is comfortable and effective in our system.
We would have had a legit shot at a Super Bowl this year with Schaub under center.
I would stay the course.
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