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    From Sam Miller's BP column:

    2. Things about baseball that Fox broadcasters explained during the World Series for the benefit of viewers who aren’t as knowledgeable about baseball as you are, ranked in order of how unknowledgeable about baseball one must be to appreciate this explanation:
    • 6. Why facing a lefty-righty-lefty-righty lineup makes it harder to manage a bullpen against it.
    • 5. That an out recorded as 7 to 4 to 2 refers to the left fielder, second baseman, and catcher.
    • 4. Why teams sometime bring the infield in with a runner on third.
    • 3. Why, when the runner is trying to steal, a catcher wouldn’t want to throw a ball down to second on ball four.
    • 2. That you don’t need to tag the runner when there is a force play on.
    • 1. What the Triple Crown is.
    Real things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PilateError View Post
    Did that end up as a DP? If so, awesome.
    Yes.


    http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/vide...99711&c_id=mlb

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    From 2008-12, Hafner hit .259 with a .353 on-base percentage, with an average of 12 home runs and 43 RBIs in 86 games per year.
    Counting his buyout, he will have pocketed a cool $59.8M over that time frame. Stupid.

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    Dan Haren to the Cubs...

    According to reports, the Angels have acquired Carlos Marmol from the Cubs in exchange for Dan Haren.

    Marmol is on the final year of his contract and will earn $9.8 million this season. He joins Ernesto Frieri, Scott Downs and Jordan Walden at the backend of what's shaping up to be an impressive Angels bullpen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spystud13 View Post
    Dan Haren to the Cubs...
    Damn, Angels got something of value for a guy they were going to let go anyway. This was one of Epstein's few trade chips. Is he being exposed as a one hit wonder?

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    I would be extremely reluctant to call Marmol something of value.

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    i think that's a good trade for the cubs.

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    What?!

    Marmol lost his job as closer in May after going 2-for-4 in save situations, then went on the disabled list because of a right hamstring strain. When he returned, he was given the job back but with one condition. He was not allowed to shake off his catcher. The penalty was to give pitching coach Chris Bosio a case of wine. Marmol converted a career-high 19 straight save opportunities from May 2-Sept. 14 and posted a 0.49 ERA (one earned run over 18 1/3 innings) in those 19 games.
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb


    Still not sure what kind of $ is changing hands in this deal as well. Doubt it's a straight up one-for-one.

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    9:27pm: Marmol would have approved a trade to the Angels, but the Cubs pulled the deal off of the table, a source tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). The Angels are still talking with other clubs about Haren as they close in on the 11pm CST deadline to exercise his $15.5MM option.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#XRh1cbEdb0Q62Lua.99

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    Marmol is on the final year of his contract and will earn $9.8 million this season.
    That's almost as bad as the Vernon Wells contract.

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    Yeah, that $#@!ing sucks.

    Chicago Tribune link.

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    Our old friend Shaq Green-Thompson is having a good game on ESPN2 tonight. He finished with 37 Ks in 39 AB this season.

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats...pbp&pid=623379

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    Meh, that's my feeling on the trade. The Cubs need starting pitching, but Haren to me felt like another bad Cubs trade..... not that Marmol has been impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey Oxburger View Post
    Meh, that's my feeling on the trade. The Cubs need starting pitching, but Haren to me felt like another bad Cubs trade..... not that Marmol has been impressive.
    It was a head scratcher for me too. Cubs in a multi-year rebuild mode, what would they want with an expensive starter in his 30s?

    Chicago paper said Epstein's looking for veteran talent he can flip to a contender mid-year next season. Pretty clever. Assuming he pitches well, Haren on a one year deal, would be in high demand next July. And if the Cubs picked up a chunk of his salary they would have gotten a nice prospect or two in return.

    Good thinking, even if it didn't work out

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    San Diego Padres catcher Yasmani Grandal has been suspended 50 games because of a positive test for testosterone.

    The commissioner's office announced the drug penalty Wednesday. The ban will start at the start of next season.

    Grandal made his big league debut this year. He hit .297 with eight home runs and 36 RBIs in 60 games. He turns 24 on Thursday.

    "I apologize to the fans, my teammates and to the San Diego Padres," he said in a statement. "I was disappointed to learn of my positive test and under the joint drug program. I am responsible for what I put into my body. I must accept responsibility for my actions and serve my suspension."

    Grandal was acquired by the Padres from Cincinnati last December. The Cuban native was traded by the Reds with pitcher Edinson Volquez in a package for pitcher Mat Latos.

    There have been seven suspensions this year under the major league program. Six of them were for peformance-enhancing drugs -- including Melky Cabrera and Bartolo Colon for positive testosterone tests -- and one for a stimulant.

    The seven suspensions are the most in a year under the big league drug program since there were eight in 2007.

    Stupid mother $#@!er.

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    Time to start making suspensions for 100 games or a full season for the 1st positive test.

    50 games ain't doing $#@!.

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    david price won the al cy young.

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    Well deserved.

    Tomorrow's MVP results should be interesting. Old school vs. New school all out WAR amongst the baseball writers.

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    RA $#@!ey in the NL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baboontyme View Post
    Old school vs. New school all out WAR amongst the baseball writers.
    Solid word choice.

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    I'm not sure what's more shocking, that $#@!ey got 90% of the 1st place votes, or that Aroldis Chapman wasn't even the most voted reliever:

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...eball/20982920

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    Quote Originally Posted by EsTyne View Post
    Solid word choice.
    Thank you for not letting my hilarity go unnoticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derka Derka View Post
    I'm not sure what's more shocking, that $#@!ey got 90% of the 1st place votes, or that Aroldis Chapman wasn't even the most voted reliever:

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...eball/20982920
    why would chapman not being the highest voted reliever be shocking at all? kimbrel had a better era (1.01 to 1.51), whip (0.65 to 0.81), k/bb ratio (116/14 to 122/23), more saves (42 to 38) and fewer blown saves (3 to 5).

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    no surprise, posey wins nl mvp.

    well deserved.

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    and cabrera wins the al mvp.

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    I stopped into bww. People seriously cheered when they announced it. Wtf.

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    My favorite part of the MVP voting is using the fringe MVP ballots to identify the writers who are too stupid to bother reading. For example...

    John Lowe of the Detroit Free Press put Raul Ibanez on his ballot. In 420 plate appearances as a corner OF, Ibanez posted a 761 OPS. Lowe also voted Jim Johnson #3, but didn't vote for any starting pitchers, and didn't vote for Robinson Cano.

    John Maffei from some California newspaper I've never heard of left Yadier Molina off his ballot. He did have Allen Craig 7th, though.

    Tracy Ringolsby had Molina 10th and Matt Holliday 5th.

    The Big Idiot award goes to Doug Padilla of ESPN Chicago.com, who had Hunter Pence on his ballot. Pence overall had a 743 OPS, and posted a 219 BA and a 671 OPS in 59 games after being traded to SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Vine View Post
    My favorite part of the MVP voting is using the fringe MVP ballots to identify the writers who are too stupid to bother reading. For example...
    Or anyone who put Pudge Rodriguez #1 for the 1999 AL MVP (and/or left Pedro off the ballot completely)... Yes, still bitter.

    Glad Cabrera won. Still can't believe Mike Trout got 6 first-place votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Vine View Post
    That's awesome.

    For the record, LaVelle E. Neal III is one of the two voters who left Pedro Martinez off the AL MVP ballot completely in 1999. Yes, still very bitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigOrange View Post
    why would chapman not being the highest voted reliever be shocking at all? kimbrel had a better era (1.01 to 1.51), whip (0.65 to 0.81), k/bb ratio (116/14 to 122/23), more saves (42 to 38) and fewer blown saves (3 to 5).
    It's shocking the same way it would have been shocking if VY had won the Heisman over Reggie Bush. It's not that I think Chapman deserved it more, it's that the baseball media fellated this guy all summer, while no one ever mentioned too much about Kimbrel doing what he do. I thought it was pretty shocking the media's love affair with Chapman didn't spill over into the voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbecks View Post
    Or anyone who put Pudge Rodriguez #1 for the 1999 AL MVP.
    gfy.

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    Ken Tremendous ‏@KenTremendous In the old days, I would've written 5000 words about this. Now I'll just write four: This is *criminally* stupid. http://on.freep.com/T0hff3


    The eyes have it.
    In a battle of computer analysis versus people who still watch baseball as, you know, a sport, what we saw with our Detroit vision was what most voters saw as well:
    Miguel Cabrera is the Most Valuable Player in the American League this year.
    "It means a lot," he told reporters over the phone from Miami. "I'm very thankful. ... I thought it was gonna be very close."
    So did everyone. But the debate ended Thursday night when the results were announced, with Cabrera earning 22 of the 28 first-place votes from the Baseball Writers' Association of America. It reinforced what Tigers fans have been saying all season: This guy is a monster.
    It also answered the kind of frenzied cyberspace argument that never shadowed baseball 20 years ago but may never stop shadowing it now.
    Statistics geeks insisted Cabrera was less worthy than Angels rookie centerfielder Mike Trout. Not because Trout's traditional baseball numbers were better. They weren't. Cabrera had more home runs (44), more runs batted in (139) and a better batting average (.330) than Trout and everyone else in the American League. It gave him the sport's first Triple Crown in 45 years.
    But Trout excelled in the kind of numbers that weren't even considered a few years ago, mostly because A) They were impossible to measure, and B) Nobody gave a hoot.
    Today, every stat matters. There is no end to the appetite for categories -- from OBP to OPS to WAR. I mean, OMG! The number of triples hit while wearing a certain-colored underwear is probably being measured as we speak.
    So in areas such as "how many Cabrera home runs would have gone out in Angel Stadium of Anaheim" or "batting average when leading off an inning" or "Win Probability Added," Trout had the edge. At least this is what we were told.
    I mean, did you do the math? I didn't. I like to actually see the sun once in a while.
    Plus he has intangibles

    Besides, if you live in Detroit, you didn't need a slide rule. This was an easy choice. People here watched Cabrera, 29, tower above the game in 2012. Day after day, game after game, he was a Herculean force. Valuable? What other word was there? How many late-inning heroics? How many clutch hits? And he only missed one game all year.
    "During the season, a lot of guys tell me I'm gonna be the MVP," Cabrera said, laughing. "But they said the same thing to Trout."
    Yes, it's true, Trout is faster, Trout is a better defensive player, Trout is a leadoff hitter, and Trout edged Cabrera in several of those made-for-Microsoft categories.
    But if you are going to go molten deep into intangibles, why stop at things like "which guy hit more homers into the power alleys?" (A real statistic, I am sorry to say.)
    Why not also consider such intangibles as locker-room presence? Teammates love playing around -- and around with -- Miggy. He helps the room.
    How about his effect on pitchers? Nobody wanted the embarrassment of him slamming a pitch over the wall. The amount of effort pitchers expended on Cabrera or the guy batting ahead of him surely took its toll and affected the pitches other batters saw. Why not find a way to measure that? (Don't worry. I'm sure someone is working on it as we speak.)
    What about the debilitating power of a three-run homer? How many opposing teams slumped after Cabrera muscled one out? How about team confidence? You heard everyone from Prince Fielder to Justin Verlander speak in awed tones about being on the same team as Cabrera. Doesn't that embolden teammates and bring out their best?
    How about the value of a guy who could shift from first to third base -- as Cabrera did this past season -- to make room for Fielder? Ask manager Jim Leyland how valuable that is.
    How about the fact that Cabrera's team made the playoffs and Trout's did not? ("Yes," countered Team Trout, "but the Angels actually won more games.") How about the fact that Cabrera played the whole season while Trout started his in the minors? ("Yes," said the Trout Shouters, "but the Angels won a greater percentage with Trout than Detroit did with Cabrera.")
    How about this? How about that? The fact is, voters are not instructed to give more credence to any one category than another. Twenty-eight sportswriters, two from each AL city, decide, in their own minds, what is "valuable" and who displayed it the most.
    They chose Cabrera.
    By an overwhelming majority.
    In the end, memories were more powerful than microchips.
    A rival for the future

    Which, by the way, speaks to a larger issue about baseball. It is simply being saturated with situational statistics. What other sport keeps coming up with new categories to watch the same game? A box score now reads like an annual report. And this WAR statistic -- which measures the number of wins a player gives his team versus a replacement player of minor league/bench talent (honestly, who comes up with this stuff?) -- is another way of declaring, "Nerds win!"
    We need to slow down the shoveling of raw data into the "what can we come up with next?" machine. It is actually creating a divide between those who like to watch the game of baseball and those who want to reduce it to binary code.
    To that end, Cabrera's winning was actually a bell ring for the old school. There is also an element of tradition here. The last three Triple Crown winners were also voted as MVP.
    "I think they can use both," Cabrera said when asked about computer stats versus old-time performance. "In the end, it's gonna be the same. You gotta play baseball."
    Indeed.
    This was a nice moment for the Tigers -- and a small consolation prize for owner Mike Ilitch and president Dave Dombrowski, who, like Cabrera, would have traded a World Series ring for any postseason award. But the Tigers now have back-to-back MVPs (Verlander last year), which speaks pretty well for their ability to develop and sign talent. It's also nice that Cabrera has seemingly made a turn for the better with his off-field behavior.
    And none of this diminishes the season Trout gave the Los Angeles Angels -- and baseball history. Rarely has a rookie so dominated on so many levels. It is scary to think that Trout, only 21, will get better. And if he improves even incrementally, who is going to beat him for MVP in years to come?
    But for today, for this season, anyhow, Cabrera gets the nod. In a season of fits and starts, he was a reliable Tiger, a consistent source of power, and a shadow that fell on opposing pitchers even before he reached the batter's box. He was the meat in the stew that became the American League champions, and while it is possible to argue the other way, it's undeniable to argue this one.
    "Hopefully every year it can be a battle like that," Cabrera said.
    This year, what you saw is what he got.
    MVP.
    The eyes have it.





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    Hilarious article by Sam Miller, one of my favorite writers...

    I'm only posting the first half of this, because the second half is full of hysterical gifs of awful Reynolds swings.

    Baseball's Greatest Hoax

    by Sam Miller
    Mark Reynolds, the stories said, was born to play baseball. He could hit 40-plus home runs in a season, or he could steal 20-plus bags in a season, or he could even do both simultaneously. He was a Big Bat who could help almost any fan’s team.
    "He could be a good player for the Rays to sign," wrote Bleacher Report."Reynolds will be the only player that could bring that sort of offensive production to the third base position for (the Cubs)," wrote Bleacher Report. Then Bleacher Report added: "If the Yankees were to prefer to add some power to their lineup, Reynolds has that in spades." And, according to Bleacher Report, "There seem to be significant reasons why Boston wouldn't want Reynolds, but his value becomes more apparent upon closer inspection." Finally, writing about the Phillies, the sports web site Bleacher Report wrote that "he hits home runs."

    Those reports are all a bit different in the details. The discrepancies in the details are hardly worth getting hung up on, as the theme is the same: Reynolds is physically capable of playing baseball at a high level. Ultimately, the story was resolved, and Bleacher Report got the scoop: “Reynolds will make Indians fans happy.”

    Did you enjoy the story, the tale of a man who hit dingers and made himself attractive to teams in need of dingers? If so, stop reading.
    ***
    Mark Reynolds does hit dingers. There’s no taking those dingers away from him, not the 44 he hit in 2009, or the 37 he hit in 2011, or even the 23 he hit in 2012. No matter what you read in the paragraphs to come, don’t forget that Mark Reynolds has played baseball at a high level, he has done it well, and he has hit dingers. He really, truly has done those things.

    Which just makes the story more incredible.

    There was more to Mark Reynolds than most writers cared to dig up. For years, hints of it appeared online, in places that a mainstream writer might consider disreputable. The writers just didn’t notice it. Maybe they weren’t looking. Maybe they just couldn’t see.
    Starting in 2009, when OSUFan_88 hinted at it:
    Reynolds is going to have a long year. Bad eye.
    A year later, CircleChange11 was more explicit:
    Batters often talk about a ‘blind spot’ just in front of the plate where they lose the ball for a ‘small amount of time.’ It makes me wonder if Reynolds blind spot is larger than other hitters
    Finally, after Reynolds was traded to Baltimore, the rumors began to be discussed openly, by such internet pundits as Ol’ Bruz:
    I really have to wonder if he has an undiagnosed or at least un-remedied vision problem.
    It's not clear how much Ol’ Bruz knew. Was he passing along idle gossip, or did Ol' Bruz know somebody involved in the conspiracy, somebody who had tipped him off to a story so unimaginable that you might, even after reading the mountains of evidence we will produce, disregard the entire article as a cruel joke. It's not a cruel joke. It's the biggest hoax in the history of Major League Baseball, a hoax so startling that it will make you rethink everything you know about the sport itself. If this hoax can be pulled off—and it was, for six years, at the sport's highest level and in full view of us all—what else are we not seeing? Or, rather, what else is Mark Reynolds not seeing. Because here's the truth:
    Mark Reynolds is totally blind.
    ***
    It's been nearly a year since we first heard the rumor. It seemed far-fetched. Reynolds had just received a raise from the Orioles and was being paid $7.5 million to do things that require full vision: Hit baseballs, and catch baseballs, and get to the team bus on time without the assistance of a dog. Like most tips we receive, like the time we heard Tom Herr had a tail and the time we heard that baseballs are made of soap, we had a laugh and tried to ignore it. Until we saw this play in July.

    As a pop-up lands at the edge of the infield dirt, he walks directly away from it, with his head down, toward the dugout. Then, as if dazed, he turns and walks back to where his teammates are. It is undoubtedly a challenge to pass as a person with sight, a challenge that requires nearly constant focus and attention to the other senses. In this small moment, Reynolds likely becomes disoriented by the fans screaming increasingly loudly at the fielders attempting to catch the pop-up, and his focus lapses. Struggling to locate his position in the cacophony, he loses his direction. Once the catch is made, the crowd quiets and he again hears his teammates' chatter, and he turns to join them.
    Do the people around Reynolds know about his handicap? The motion by the umpire, Adrian Johnson, suggests that any conspiracy that might exist doesn't extend to the umpires. "Over there," he tells Reynolds, with a point. If he knew that Reynolds can't see, Johnson probably wouldn't have pointed.
    Unless that's just part of the deception.
    Unless Adrian Johnson is in on it by appearing to be not in on it.
    ***
    Pop-ups like that one provide a particular challenge for the blind baseball player, but they also provide advantages.
    The downside for Reynolds is that the entire play is visible in a relatively static camera shot. Once that shot is established, the players involved in the play are shown positioning themselves, tracking the ball, and ultimately making a catch. The play lasts upwards of seven uneventful seconds, and if the blind baseball player can't convincingly act like he is prepared to catch the baseball, the viewer has a clear and unobstructed view of the blind baseball player's disorientation.
    But there is also oral communication at the field level that is extremely helpful to a player who can't see. Fans, for starters, make a particular noise when a ball is popped up; an sort of awed sound, but not the joyful (or mournful) awed sound that accompanies a home run. More like a trombone than a trumpet, if you will. The baserunner gives some indication of how likely the ball is to be caught, as does the base coach. (If the ball is in foul territory, the runner will retreat all the way to the bag, but if it's fair he will give himself a few extra steps in case the ball is dropped.) Once the ball is in the air, the blind player's teammates will shout direction. If the ball is popped up to the other side of the field, or to the outfield, Reynolds knows that he is off camera and under no pressure to act. If the ball is in his vicinity, he will hear his name shouted, or that of the second baseman. Rarely is the direction of a batted ball so specifically indicated for him.
    Here we see both factors interact. The ball is popped up, and the chatter among the teammates has begun:

    By this point Reynolds knows that the ball is on his side of the field and in fair territory. He calls for the ball and positions himself to catch it. But, ultimately, the second baseman will call him off and make the catch. Typical baseball, and nothing memorable about it, other than the fact that Mark Reynolds is clearly only pretending to know where the baseball is. Look at his position on the field when he stations himself and calls for the ball, and the position on the field where the ball ultimately lands.

    To put that in perspective, here is our original full view of the infield. The letter O signifies where Reynolds runs and calls for the ball. The letter X shows where it is actually caught.

    Why would a blind first baseman call for the ball that he can't see? As any middle-school student knows, if you don't know the answer in class, sometimes the best strategy is to raise your hand with apparent certainty. The teacher is trying to figure out who knows the answer and who doesn't, and will probably call on somebody who looks unsure. Raise your hand confidently and you've already proven you know the answer. Con, after all, is short for confidence.
    Alas, sometimes nobody is around to bail Reynolds out.

    ***
    Full article:
    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article_19409.html

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    Holy $#@! that's great.

    One more lol:


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    Lost it here:

    Most players recognize that a pitch might hit them when the pitch is midway to them. Reynolds realizes it when the pain receptors in his body send a report to his brain.

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