Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's start $#@! with Kevin Youkilis. Yeah, that will motivate the team.
Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's start $#@! with Kevin Youkilis. Yeah, that will motivate the team.
Bobby V apologies to Youk for questioning his commitment
Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine said he has apologized to third baseman Kevin Youkilis for comments he made Sunday, in which he questioned Youkilis' physical and emotional commitment.
Valentine, speaking before Boston's 11 a.m. ET Patriots Day game against Tampa Bay, said Youkilis approached him Monday morning. Valentine said he "totally apologized."
"I don't know if he accepted my apology. It was sincere," he said. "The last thing in the world I would want him to think is that this was anything but an answer to a question that seemed like the question was jabbing at him. I was just trying to smooth it over. I guess I didn't."
Valentine said he thought Youkilis had visited his office wanting to talk about his sore groin muscle, but instead brought up the comments. Youkilis was not in Monday's starting lineup, replaced at third by Nick Punto, but Valentine said he will use Youkilis as a pinch hitter if needed.
Earlier Monday, Youkilis told reporters he was "surprised" and "confused" by Valentine's comments, which were made Sunday before Boston's win over the Rays and aired Sunday on WHDH-TV's "SportsXTra."
"I don't think he's as physically or emotionally into the game as he has been in the past for some reason,'' Valentine said Sunday. "But [on Saturday] it seemed, you know, he's seeing the ball well, got those two walks, got his on-base percentage up higher than his batting average, which is always a good thing, and he'll move on from there."
Youkilis' agent, Joe Bick, responding to Valentine's comments Sunday, said: "I will not dignify his quotes by responding to something that is so far off base on so many different levels."
On Monday, Valentine said his answer to the question on WHDH was misinterpreted, and that his answer should have been more specific to Youkilis' swing.
"I think the question was 'It's not Youk-like the way he's playing, " Valentine said in his pregame news conference. "I think that was the question I answered. I should have answered that his swing is not where he wants it to be, his swing is frustrating, it affects the emotion."
"I don't know what the reason is because I haven't been here long enough. I don't know why the swing is not where it wants to be and he's not banging as many helmets. I thought it was rather innocuous," Valentine added. "Matter of fact, seemed like they were trying to bang him and I started it by saying how good his at-bats were that day, his two walks.
"I should have been more specific, physical is about your swing, emotional is about not being happy when he doesn't hit a ball off the wall."
Earlier Monday morning, Youkilis, who found out about the comments from Bick, his agent, on Sunday night, said he and Valentine had talked about it Monday morning. But the three-time All-Star would not divulge what was said.
"Everyone here knows I go out and play with emotion," Youkilis told reporters in the Red Sox clubhouse, before Valentine said he had apologized. "The only time there has ever been a question is because I've been too emotional."
"That's not what I see," Youkilis added in response to Valentine's comments on Sunday. "I go out every day and play as hard as I can -- take every ground ball in the morning, take every at-bat like it's my last. I don't think my game has changed at all. I still get upset with myself. I still get mad."
Youkilis also was seen meeting with Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington in the clubhouse on Monday morning.
Red Sox second baseman Dustin Pedroia backed his fellow infielder in comments to reporters.
"I really don't know what Bobby is trying to do," Pedroia said Monday. "That's not the way we go about our stuff around here. He'll figure that out. The whole team is behind Youk. We have each other's backs here."
Pedroia was then asked whether he thought Valentine perhaps was trying to light a fire under Youkilis, who is hitting .200 on the young season.
"Maybe that works in Japan," Pedroia said, referring to Valentine's successful stints as a manager in that country.
"That wasn't meant to motivate," Valentine said of Pedroia's comments. "That's not the way it's done. He took a little part of something and thought that he understood what went on, and that's not what went on."
Youkilis is coming off a season in which he was limited to 112 games because of a lower back strain, hip bursitis and surgery for a sports hernia and hit a career-low .258.
He did not hit well in spring training -- .195 with only one extra-base hit -- but that was also the case last spring, when he was coming off surgery for a torn thumb muscle and had an even lower batting average of .175.
He went hitless in eight at-bats in his first two games this season and was benched in favor of Punto, who had three hits, in the team's third game. He was restored to the lineup the next day in Toronto and took another 0 for 4, but the next night had two hits.
In the team's last five games Youkilis is batting 6 for 18 (.333). In Sunday's 6-4 win over Tampa Bay, Youkilis singled and walked in three official at-bats, raising his average to .200.
Through the team's first nine games last season, Youkilis was batting just .148 (4 for 27), and finished the month of April batting just .218. But over a 60-game span that took him to mid-July, Youkilis got hot at the plate, raising his overall average to a season-high .288. But injuries then took their toll, and Youkilis lost 30 points on his average by the end of the season.
Youkilis is in the last year of a 4-year, $41.25 million contract that is paying him $12.25 million this season. He is one of seven Red Sox players being paid more than $10 million this season.
The club holds a $13 million option on Youkilis for the 2013 season, but the physical pounding he has taken in recent seasons, plus the emergence of top third-base prospect Will Middlebrooks, has raised questions about whether the Sox will exercise that option.
so pedroia says that taking shots in the media is not how they do things there, and then takes a shot at his manager in the media? they hate him already. pending train wreck."Maybe that works in Japan," Pedroia said,
they needed to hire a guy like varitek to be a bench coach for a couple of seasons and wait for bobby v to wear out his welcome after a couple of seasons and then they could justify moving him to manager.
Rumor is Bobby V was just going to be a place holder until they could secure the likes of Maddon, Manuel, Gardenhire, or even La Russa.
Tough loss today, but they still won 3 of 4 vs a great Rays team. Bard pitched well today (despite the 7 walks), but Shields was just in the zone.
Two game stint vs the red-hot Rangers starting tomorrow. Lester v Colby Lewis, 6:10 central (MLB Network). Let's score some runs this time.
what a $#@!ing trainwreck this is turning into. Manager-player scandals, offense looked like a pile of a $#@! in a Tampa loss earlier, and it's too hot to run the Marathon in Boston. And all this $#@! happened before 1pm today.
was going to log in to say '$#@! the red sox' but honestly too hard over the bobby v hiring
very classy move getting rid of terry f and throwing him under the bus on the way out
That's the Boston way.
I figured there'd be some Bobby V-Boston media bust up at some point this season, but I didn't think it'd happen in April.
More importantly, they're still playing well (even with today factored in). #1 & #2 starters face the Rangers (in one of those idiotic 2-game "series"). Should be a good early test for both clubs.
replacing terry f with bobby v just stumps me
No one burns a bridge like Boston. The front office, the media, and even some of the fans.
I honestly thought the "Bobby the Fifth" rumors were a joke when they first started circulating in the offseason. For whatever reason, Lucchino had a big hard-on for the guy, and was able to make the call after both Tito & Theo were canned/traded. He must've thought this team needed an iron fist rule, yet completely overlooked the fact that he's a bit of an egomaniac who will run his mouth whenever a reporter or a microphone is nearby.
Boston (and its Sox-obsessed media) is just about the worst place he could land. I knew it'd be a bumpy ride & there'd be some fires to put out along the way, but I just didn't think it would happen this soon into the season.
It's one thing to call out your team "we've played like $#@! lately", "we had a slow start", "we're struggling", etc., but it's a far bigger deal calling out a single player completely unprovoked, right after you've won 3 in a row vs one of the better teams in the league. Not to mention that Youk at least played better during those last three games.
I still love Youk, I love how he was in "Moneyball," I love his passion, I love his OBP, I love Francona's epic quote about him, but I have some doubts about the guy myself. He's a polarizing figure in the clubhouse, got into some $#@! with Manny years ago, apparently STILL has some beef with Ellsbury (stemming from when Jacoby broke his ribs & spent his time in Arizona getting treatment), and could very well be a free agent after this season... Yet Bobby V knows this (or at least should know it) and decides THIS is the guy he's going to call out?
Of course the backtracking/apology riff raff is warranted and typical, but even if he's the manager, "Bobby the Fifth" is still the new guy around these parts. After one spring and 10 regular season games, he's not exactly at a place where he's gonna start publicly ripping his own players - or even acting like he's known how they've been "in the past." I hope this somehow magically lights a fire under Youk's ass, but it really just means when the next stupid quote is thrown to the media like a juicy steak to a Rottweiler, it's gonna snowball because of this mess.
$#@! bobby valentine
$#@! bud selig too
both these $#@!s should be forced to snowball each others jizz on camera
Bobby V just said that Pesky is a pussy for using that wheelchair.
Here's the thing. That offer from the FBI from Charlestown...the one where Bobby V traffics in cigarettes to avoid slavery. It sounds better than the current rotation...
Good Lord, Shoppach...
Not that it comes as a surprise, but this is why they play so many damn 4-hour games:
Hey Red Sox: Work Faster
This morning, I did a quick story for the Wall Street Journal on pace between pitches. So far, the Cleveland Indians look like the stars of working quickly, as all five of their starters have taken less than 20 seconds between pitches. Derek Lowe and Justin Masterson actually rank second and third in baseball in pace so far this year, behind only Roy Halladay and his Two Hours Of Doom approach.
You know who the slowest working pitching staff in baseball is to this point of 2012? The Boston Red Sox, who have taken an average of 24.6 seconds between pitches this year. You know who was the slowest working pitching staff in 2011? The Red Sox. 2010? The Red Sox. 2009? The Red Sox. 2008? The Red Sox.
The last time that Boston didn’t have the slowest working pitching staff in baseball was 2007. That year, they had the second slowest staff, getting edged out by the Yankees by 0.3 seconds per pitch.
You know who the slowest working starting pitchers in baseball have been since 2007? Josh Beckett (25.6 seconds between pitches), Daisuke Matsuzaka (25.4), and Clay Buchholz (25.2). They are the only three starters in the sport to take more than 25 seconds between pitches, and they all pitch for the Red Sox.
Even shifting to relievers, where there’s more annual turnover and where we can see a broader selection of pitchers, we find the Red Sox as the most deliberate group in baseball, and it’s not even close. Since 2007, their relievers have taken an average of 25.7 seconds between pitches (relievers work slower in general, so the numbers are higher here), a full 1.6 seconds slower than the next slowest bullpen. The slowest working reliever in baseball over that span? Jonathan Papelbon (tied with Rafael Betancourt) at 31.0 seconds between pitches.
The Red Sox have had 51 pitchers throw at least 10 innings for them over the last 5+ years, and exactly two of those 51 have averaged fewer than 20 seconds between pitches. These heroes are Tim Wakefield (18.8 seconds) and Scott Atchison (19.9 seconds). The other 49 guys who have taken the mound have all been no faster than average in time between pitches, and they’ve ranged all the way down to the absolute slowest workers in the sport.
This isn’t a small sample size. With nearly 50 pitchers over 5+ years, and consistent finishes as the slowest working team in baseball, this sure has all the earmarks of an organizational philosophy. And it’s an annoying one.
Red Sox games already take a long time because their hitters take a lot of pitches and score a lot of runs. At least that philosophy can be directly related to offensive success, and is an area where you can see the positive results of taking a deliberate approach. But, it’s not like the Red Sox pitchers have been world beaters, or that there’s some obvious advantage they’re gaining by having their pitchers spend a bunch of time walking around the mound and scratching themselves between pitches.
Major League Baseball has made a lot of efforts over the last 10 to 15 years to reduce some of the delays in action in the sport. Perhaps they’ve missed the most obvious step – contract the Red Sox. That would fix an awful lot of problems, and rid us of Bobby Valentine‘s media circus at the same time. Win-win!
Editor’s Note: I’m kidding. Sort of.
Great $#@!in' 0-2 pitch, Lester.
The bats are gonna have to show up tonight. Hopefully they send Colby Lewis back to the MFing Hiroshima Prefecture.
Nothing about this squad, management or front office gets me excited for the near future
This is shaping up to be Lester's worst day ever... aside from that whole cancer thing, of course.
we all know that a 3(so far) run lead is nothing at fenway, but through 7 outs your pitching $#@!ing sucks
jt, you may want to go ahead and hop on the rangers bandwagon already and wait for boston to get their post-epstein-and-francona heads out of their asses.
FSRangers is such an abortion of a broadcast team. Debating signing up for mlb.com access so I can listen to guys who have any idea what they're talking about.
I'm going to bed.
Should've started posting in NSAA when Lester first started struggling.
Melancon's ERA: 39.50.
$#@! this $#@!.
No excuses for this, not after being the best team in baseball for stretches of last season
welcome to baseball the bobby valentine way. you may recognize it as traditional rangers baseball.
Well you'd be the first person I've seen that says Tom Grieve doesn't know what he's talking about.
grieve has been around for a long time and when the team is as bad as the rangers were perennially since he was roaming the outfield at turnpike stadium, the announcers tend to grasp at whatever slice of decent baseball they can get their hands on. so they go on and on about fundamentals and $#@! like that because nobody wants to listen to three hours of "well we still suck and are getting our heads kicked in again".
my personal interpretation, anyway.
My sample size of watching FSRangers is obviously too small, so forgive my distaste for the broadcast team (18 runs against and a few beers made me like them that much less). I'm afraid to complain about homerism, because, well, it's their team, but I have always enjoyed watching games on NESN because I don't get as much homerism from Don and Remy. I guess it was more the elementary explanations and guessing at stats. How surprised both guys were that Pesky never actually hit the pole "well, seems strange to call it that then" was just absurd, but then they went on to explain how much they knew about the guy himself, so they're obviously not idiots.
Veering this thread back on topic...
FIRE BOBBY V.
In the 8th, he brings in a lefty (Morales) - at least partially - to face Hamilton (who gets a hit). Then he proceeds to leave him in for the next four batters (all right-handed), who all get on base (including Napoli's 2-RBI double), before the next lefty (Moreland) comes up. And then he's intentionally walked.
Sure, hindsight is always 20/20, but scoring a run in the bottom of the 9th just makes it seem all the more idiotic.
They very well
could'vewould've blown it if it went to extras, but still, piss-poor managing job tonight.
Off on Thursday, then the MFYs come to town... Hey, at least they're struggling, too.
Buchholz v Nova - 2:00 central (MLB Network)
Doubront v Garcia - 3:00
Bard v Sabathia - 7:00 (ESPN)
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Let's put it this way: I passed on an opportunity to meet a buddy and watch the sox at a bar the other night and went home and watched the Nats instead. Gotdamn this season is shaping up to be an epically bad Boston style trainwreck.
The $#@!ing Houston market is showing the GD Cubs-Reds game on MLB Network instead of Sox-Yanks. Nevermind the whole 100 year celebration thing...
Mike Aviles, SS
Ryan Sweeney, RF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
David Ortiz, DH
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Cody Ross, LF
Jason Repko, CF
Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Alex Rodriguez, DH
Robinson Cano, 2B
Mark Teixeira, DH
Nick Swisher, RF
Raul Ibanez, LF
Eric Chavez, 3B
Russell Martin, C
Miller and Pedro on top of the dugout leading a toast to 100. Epic!
"vamanos Millar! Vamanos!"
"Karim Garcia who?"
"Who is Karim Garcia?"
$#@! MLB in the ass. The make live stream damn near impossible.
I'd say today is one of the few times throwback uniforms actually make sense.
Doerr & Pesky
Nomar & Rico
This is pretty sweet.
I still hate Wally the Green Monster.
'Tek & Youk.
Still looking for a Mo Vaughn pic. He's surely looking svelte as well.
Oh, and there's a game being played today, too.
Sox already losing, 3-0. Of course...
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