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    Gov. Bobby Jindal Eviscerates Obama Administration On Energy

    A reporter asked Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal a question which was obviously designed to absolve President Obama of any responsibility for skyrocketing gas prices and his failure to enact any sort of coherent energy policy. She even tries to employ some tired White House talking points in her question. Jindal wasn’t having any of it:



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    He said some good stuff but he failed to mention monetary policy.

    No Easy Fix for Gas Prices

    This month, as unleaded gasoline prices increased for 17 consecutive days (to a national average of $3.647 per gallon - up 11% thus far this year) and West Texas Intermediate crude joined Brent crude in breaking through a $100 per barrel level, energy prices emerged as a full blown political issue. While President Obama conveniently claimed that rising prices were the consequence of an improving economy (they're not, and it isn't) Republican fingers began to point sanctimoniously at current drilling policies. And while none of the accusers had any idea why prices were actually going up, the award for the most dangerous 'solution' must go to Bill O'Reilly at Fox News. The master of the "No Spin Zone" announced that high pump prices could be permanently brought down by a presidential order to restrict exports of refined gasoline. Not only does Mr. O'Reilly's idea demonstrate contempt for the U.S. Constitution but it also displays a thorough lack of economic understanding.

    Oil and gas prices are high now for a very simple reason: the U.S. Federal Reserve has gone on an unapologetic campaign to push up inflation and push down the value of the U.S. dollar. Just last week on CNBC James Bullard, the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, stated this unequivocally. What is somewhat overlooked is the degree to which an inflationary policy at home creates inflation abroad. Many countries who peg their currencies to the U.S. dollar need to follow suit with the Fed. As China, for example, prints yuan to keep it from appreciating against the dollar, prices rise in China. This is especially true for commodities like crude oil.

    Many critics, such as Mr. O'Reilly, have relied on a limited understanding of the supply/demand dynamic to question why gas prices are currently so high at home. With domestic gasoline production at a multi-year high and domestic demand at a multi-year low, he logically expects low prices. But he fails to grasp the fact that the price of gasoline is set internationally and that U.S. factors are only a component.

    O'Reilly's loudly proclaimed solution is to limit the ability of U.S. refiners (and drillers) to export production abroad. If the energy stays at home, he argues, the increased supply would push down prices. Although O'Reilly professes to be a believer in free markets he argues that oil (and gasoline by extension) is really a natural resource that doesn't belong to the energy companies, but to the "folks" on Main Street. What good would "drill baby drill" do for us, he argues, if all the production is simply shipped to China?

    First off, the U.S. government has no authority whatsoever to determine to whom a company may or may not sell. This concept should be absolutely clear to anyone with at least a casual allegiance to free markets. In particular, the U.S. Constitution makes it explicit that export duties are prohibited. Furthermore, energy extracted from the ground, and produced by a private enterprise, is no more a public good than a chest of drawers that has been manufactured from a tree that grows on U.S soil. Frankly, this point from Mr. O'Reilly comes straight out of the Marxist handbook and in many ways mirrors the sentiments that have been championed by the Occupy Wall Street movement. When such ideas come from the supposed "right," we should be very concerned.

    But apart from the Constitutional and ideological concerns, the idea simply makes no economic sense.

    In 2011 the United States ran a trade deficit of $558 billion. For now at least America has been able to reap huge benefits from the willingness of foreign producers to export to the U.S. without equal amounts of imports. China supplies us with low priced consumer goods and Saudi Arabia sells us vast quantities of oil. In return they take U.S. IOUs. Without their largesse, domestic prices for consumers would be much higher. How long they will continue to extend credit is anybody's guess, but shutting off the spigots of one of our most valuable exports won't help.

    In recent years petroleum has become an increasingly large component of U.S. exports, partially filling the void left by our manufacturing output. According to the IMF, the U.S. exported $10.3 billion of oil products in 2001. By 2011, this figure had jumped nearly seven fold to more than $70 billion. How would our trading partners respond if we decided to deny them our gasoline?

    Keeping more gasoline at home could hold down prices temporarily, but how much better off would the "folks" be if all the prices of Chinese made goods at Wal-Mart suddenly went up, or if such products completely disappeared from our shelves because the Chinese government decided to ban exports that they declared "belonged to the Chinese people?" What would happen to the price of energy here if Saudi Arabia made a similar decision with respect to their oil?

    But most importantly, limiting the ability of U.S. energy companies to export abroad will do absolutely nothing to improve the American economy. As a result of our diminished purchasing power, American demand for oil has declined in relation to the growing demand abroad. Consequently, we are buying a continually lower percentage of the world's energy output. Consumers in emerging markets can now afford to buy some of the production that used to be snapped up by Americans. If U.S. suppliers were limited to domestic customers, then prices could drop temporarily. But what would happen then?

    With the U.S. adopting a protectionist stance, and with gasoline prices in the U.S. lower than in other parts of the world, less overseas crude would be sent to American refineries. At the same time lower prices at home would constrict profits for domestic suppliers who would then scale back production (and lay off workers). The resulting decrease in supply would send prices right back up, potentially higher than before. The only change would be that we would have hamstrung one of our few viable industrial sectors. (For more about how diminishing supplies could exert upward pressures on a variety of energy products, please see the article in the latest edition of my Global Investor newsletter).

    Mr. O'Reilly can spin this any way he wants it, but he is dead wrong on this point. It is surprising to me that such comments have not sparked greater outrage from the usual mainstream defenders of the free market. To an extent that very few appreciate, America derives a great deal of benefits from the current globalization of trade. Sparking a trade war now would severely reduce our already falling living standards. And given our weak position with respect to our trading partners, such a provocation may be the ultimate example of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

    Rather than bashing oil companies, O'Reilly, as well as other frustrated American motorists, should direct their anger at Washington. That is because higher gasoline prices are really a Federal tax in disguise. The government's enormous deficit is financed largely by bonds that are sold to the Federal Reserve, which pays for them with newly printed money. Those excess dollars are sent abroad where they help to bid oil prices higher.

    For years, mainstream economists argued that as long as unemployment remained high, the Fed could print as much money as it wanted without worrying about inflation. The argument was that the reduction in demand that results from unemployment would limit the ability of business to raise prices. However, what those economists overlooked was the simultaneous reduction in domestic supply that results from a weaker dollar (the consequence of printing money).

    I have long argued that neither recession nor high unemployment would protect us from inflation. If demand falls, but supply falls faster, prices will rise. That is exactly what is happening with gas. The same dynamic is already evident in the airline industry. Fewer people are flying, but prices keep rising because airlines have responded to declining demand by reducing capacity. Since seats are disappearing faster than passengers, airlines can raise prices. At some point Americans will be complaining about soaring food prices as much more of what American farmers produce ends up on Chinese dinner tables. Because the Fed is likely to continue monetizing huge budget deficits, Americans are going to be consuming a lot less of everything, and paying a lot more for those few things they can still afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninblack View Post
    He said some good stuff but he failed to mention monetary policy.

    No Easy Fix for Gas Prices
    I wonder what the price of oil would be if we adjusted for dollar devaluation. Our country has embarked on a banana republic strategy of repaying its massive debts with devalued dollars. I'm thinking with a stronger dollar oil would be around $80.

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    it isn't that hard to eviscerate any obama policy. we have had 12 years of really $#@!ty policy that is bankrupting us. obama just took all the really bad ones, and made them worse. oh, and we also have that little issue of both Obama and his brilliant energy head stating that they want, and need policy that will lead to much higher gas prices. Seems they are in fact getting exactly what they said they wanted. so if you're one of the ones who voted for him and bitchign about gas prices, you should probably STFU because you are in fact now getting exactly what you voted for.
    Last edited by Pepper Brooks; 02-28-2012 at 02:20 PM.

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    Rand Paul gets to the point much faster than Jindal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maninblack View Post
    Rand Paul gets to the point much faster than Jindal.

    How about a Rand Paul/Jindal ticket?
    At least they both get to the point.

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    Fascinating that Bobby Jindal would seem less goofy if he went ahead and just went by Piyush Jindal. "Bobby" just insists upon itself.

    Dude is smart. There is Bush at Yale, there is Obama at Coumbia and then there is this dude at whereever the hell he wants to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    Fascinating that Bobby Jindal would seem less goofy if he went ahead and just went by Piyush Jindal. "Bobby" just insists upon itself.

    Dude is smart. There is Bush at Yale, there is Obama at Coumbia and then there is this dude at whereever the hell he wants to go.
    Reminds me of a bunch of my customers- not the intelligence piece, but you know they just got here from Inida or Pakistan and you ask their name and it's always "Mike" or "Sam"

    WTF ever...LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear lake horn View Post
    I wonder what the price of oil would be if we adjusted for dollar devaluation. Our country has embarked on a banana republic strategy of repaying its massive debts with devalued dollars. I'm thinking with a stronger dollar oil would be around $80.
    yep. I'd guess between $70 and $80.

    And drilling tight/shale oil reservoirs would still be profitable because you'd see oilfield service prices normalize downward as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Knight View Post
    -Regulations everyone of which has reduced supply or prevented an increase of supply
    -Global Warming Agenda refusing to acknowledge 'clean coal', no new nuclear energy, etc
    -High Taxes
    and to paraphrase the Rand Paul vid
    massive increase in spending
    massive increase in debt
    creating massive amounts of new $$$ out of thin air to pay the debt
    a very real devaluation of the dollar we use to pay for goods
    a very real increase in prices to reflect the value of the good with the now less valuable dollar as a measuring stick.

    oil is more expensive, but our dollar is also worth less. that is why the price increase seems as sharp as it does, both market strings are pulling the same direction of higher prices.

    also a slight reaction to the Iran war threat, but out of fear of the unknown and a possible reduction in supply. He also quickly hit on regulations that the Bobby Jindal video talked more in detail about

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    basically our government is in an elaborate ponzi scheme involving money. fake money. that fake money allows them to give away $#@! to morons who vote themselves freebies. there are lots of if's and's and but's involved, but ultimately the simple answer is almost always the correct one. the simple answer is we have a ponzi scheme involving debt/printed money

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    A couple of questions:

    Why is gasoline more expensive now than when crude was close to $150 per barrel in the summer of '08?
    Does U.S. refinery capacity (or lackthereof) have anything to do with current high gas prices?
    What has the Obama administration done to make the refining capacity worse given the fact that (IIRC) we haven't built a refinery in the U.S. since the late 1970s?

    (I'm not being a smartass... these are serious questions.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    Fascinating that Bobby Jindal would seem less goofy if he went ahead and just went by Piyush Jindal. "Bobby" just insists upon itself.
    Bobby was his name when he worked the call center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oSuJeff97 View Post
    A couple of questions:

    Why is gasoline more expensive now than when crude was close to $150 per barrel in the summer of '08?
    Does U.S. refinery capacity (or lackthereof) have anything to do with current high gas prices?
    What has the Obama administration done to make the refining capacity worse given the fact that (IIRC) we haven't built a refinery in the U.S. since the late 1970s?

    (I'm not being a smartass... these are serious questions.)
    This is a misleading statement. Existing refineries have expanded and increased in capacity. For example, Port Arthur is poised to have the largest refinery in the world this summer, but it isn't a "new" refinery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear lake horn View Post
    Bobby was his name when he worked the call center.

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    How about a Rand Paul/Jindal ticket?
    I wish Rand was running for prez
    You guys could call it the racist/goof ticket

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Missing Link View Post
    This is a misleading statement. Existing refineries have expanded and increased in capacity. For example, Port Arthur is poised to have the largest refinery in the world this summer, but it isn't a "new" refinery.


    marathon also expanded several of the refineries

    but east coast refineries are shutting down left and right, also hovensa st criox shut down to get out of it's chavez contract
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Missing Link View Post
    This is a misleading statement. Existing refineries have expanded and increased in capacity. For example, Port Arthur is poised to have the largest refinery in the world this summer, but it isn't a "new" refinery.
    Very good point... I should have thought of that.

    Any thoughts on the other questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oSuJeff97 View Post
    A couple of questions:

    Why is gasoline more expensive now than when crude was close to $150 per barrel in the summer of '08?
    Does U.S. refinery capacity (or lackthereof) have anything to do with current high gas prices?
    What has the Obama administration done to make the refining capacity worse given the fact that (IIRC) we haven't built a refinery in the U.S. since the late 1970s?

    (I'm not being a smartass... these are serious questions.)
    There's plenty of crude, but refineries have been shut down in the US, and we are exporting more gasoline now, because worldwide prices for refined products are high.

    http://www.wbur.org/npr/147421345/wh...-in-gas-prices

    Market forces at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat Guan0 View Post
    There's plenty of crude, but refineries have been shut down in the US, and we are exporting more gasoline now, because worldwide prices for refined products are high.

    http://www.wbur.org/npr/147421345/wh...-in-gas-prices

    Market forces at work.
    Okay.... so what could the Obama (or any) administration do to combat these "market forces?"

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    Yeah, Marathon just expanding their main facility in Louisiana. More than doubled their production I think.

    And after watching Jindal for all these years, one would have to be an idiot to use him as a counter point to Obama. I actually hope he goes for something national and gets the $#@! out of Louisiana. All he does is ignore what's good for Louisiana and takes stances Repubs across the country would like. He's wasted time and money to simply shape his resume and make himself look attractive. $#@! him. And I was dumb enough to vote for the bastard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidHorn View Post
    You guys could call it the racist/goof ticket
    That's what in the White House now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Missing Link View Post
    This is a misleading statement. Existing refineries have expanded and increased in capacity. For example, Port Arthur is poised to have the largest refinery in the world this summer, but it isn't a "new" refinery.
    Biggest in the United States

    India, Venezuela, Singapore (barely) have one bigger

    South Korea has two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninblack View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by tx 3 putt View Post
    marathon also expanded several of the refineries

    but east coast refineries are shutting down left and right, also hovensa st criox shut down to get out of it's chavez contract
    Its still inside said contract or partnership, HOVENSA was downgraded into just storage because it was bleeding money as a refinery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear lake horn View Post
    I wonder what the price of oil would be if we adjusted for dollar devaluation. Our country has embarked on a banana republic strategy of repaying its massive debts with devalued dollars. I'm thinking with a stronger dollar oil would be around $80.
    Zero Hedge provides the price of oil if paying with grams of gold (with charts):

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-...%A6-look-again
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