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    Steely Dan....

    I tried bumping the old Steely Dan thread, but nada...I'm a total, full blown Steely Dan fan.

    I was reading about "Gaucho."
    I knew they had their issues with recording, but good lord.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucho_(album)

    Take some time to read that wiki link...
    It really couldn't have been a blast playing with them.

    1. "Gaucho is the seventh studio album by the American Jazz rock band Steely Dan, released in 1980. The sessions for Gaucho represented the peak of Steely Dan's recording studio perfectionism and obsessive recording technique. To record the album, the band used at least 42 different musicians, spent over a year in the studio, and far exceeded the original monetary advance given to the band by their record label."

    2. "Exceptional difficulties plagued the album's production. By 1978, Donald $#@!en and Walter Becker had established themselves as the only two permanent members of Steely Dan, using a revolving cast of session musicians to record the songs they wrote together. However, the pair's working relationship began to strain, largely due to Becker's increasing drug use.[4]

    During the course of the Gaucho sessions, Becker was hit by a car while walking home late one Saturday night to his apartment on the Upper West Side.[5][6] Becker managed to push the woman he was with out of harm's way, but sustained multiple fractures in one leg, a sprain in the other leg, as well as other injuries.[5][6] During his six-month recovery,[7] he suffered from secondary infections.[5] While Becker was in the hospital, he and $#@!en continued their musical collaborations via telephone.[6]

    Becker's personal problems continued to mount when his girlfriend, Karen Roberta Stanley, died of a drug overdose at his home on January 30, 1980. Her family attempted to sue him for $17.5 million in January 1981, claiming that he had introduced the woman to cocaine, morphine, barbiturates, and heroin. The court later sided in Becker's favor."

    3. "Recording sessions

    With 1977's Aja, the duo had become accustomed to recording with Los Angeles-based session musicians; the transition back to using New York players during the Gaucho sessions proved difficult, as the musicians were unenthusiastic about Becker and $#@!en's obsessive, perfectionistic recording style. Sessions for Gaucho began in New York City during 1978.[7]

    $#@!en and Becker hired Mark Knopfler to play the guitar solo on "Time Out of Mind" after hearing him play on Dire Straits' hit single "Sultans of Swing." Several hours of Knopfler's playing were recorded at the session, but his contributions as heard on the record are limited to a matter of seconds.

    The album's mixing sessions proved to be just as difficult as the recording sessions: it took Becker, $#@!en, Nichols and Katz over 55 tries to properly mix the 50-second fade out of "Babylon Sisters".[5][13]

    Drum recording

    Even though the session players hired for Gaucho were amongst the most talented from both the East and West Coast session fraternities, $#@!en and Becker were still not satisfied with the basic tracks for some of the songs, particularly with regard to the timing of the drum tracks. In a 2006 interview for SOS Magazine, Donald $#@!en stated that he and Becker told recording engineer Roger Nichols:

    "'It's too bad that we can't get a machine to play the beat we want, with full-frequency drum sounds, and to be able to move the snare drum and kick drum around independently.' Nichols replied 'I can do that.' This was back in 1978 or something, so we said 'You can do that???' To which he said 'Yes, all I need is $150,000.' So we gave him the money out of our recording budget, and six weeks later he came in with this machine and that is how it all started."
    According to Ken Micaleff in an article in Modern Drummer, the title song's drum track was assembled from 46 different takes. The drummer on the session, Jeff Porcaro, is quoted as saying:

    "From noon till six we'd play the tune over and over and over again, nailing each part. We'd go to dinner and come back and start recording. They made everybody play like their life depended on it. But they weren't gonna keep anything anyone else played that night, no matter how tight it was. All they were going for was the drum track."


    It must be hard when you're that good, to create something, "new."

    On a sidenote, I like "The Royal Scam," more than "Aja."

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    Agreeden. I have a double cassette with Katy Lied on one side and Royal Scam on the other, must have played it 1000 times. Probably my favorite 2 SD albums.

    I'm sure I posted this in the Steely Dan thread, but there are some great outtakes from the Gaucho sessions, including the doomed Second Arrangement...





    Poorer quality, but I like this one better:







    I actually got a Steely Dan frenzy a month or so ago and ordered all 7 albums from Amazon, the remasters are well worth getting, and the liner notes (written by Becker and $#@!en) are hilarious.

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    If I recall, Walter Becker was getting deeper and deeper into heroin use during the Gaucho recordings. It was a source of friction between him and $#@!en.
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    For some reason, your necro bump of ths SD thread is over on Varsity.

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    "I actually got a Steely Dan frenzy a month or so ago and ordered all 7 albums from Amazon, the remasters are well worth getting, and the liner notes (written by Becker and $#@!en) are hilarious."


    Funny I just bought "Aja" and "The Royal Scam" at Best Buy on Cd's.... Remastered, each for $4.99

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    I mean, c'mon....



    Man, is most of the Steely Dan stuff gone from the interwebz?

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    From Gaucho...Pedo Dan...


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    Junkie anthem...


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    still my favorite song by them and i have all their albums...


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    Mixed feelings. I love a lot of "Can't Buy a Thrill," especially Dirty Work and Kings, but a lot of that ultra-smooth stuff that came later sounds loungey/cheesy.

    Obligatory:

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/don...-friends,2601/

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    F*ck You Larry Carlton....

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    McDonald strong on this one...Always loved the feel of this song.


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    (Great bootleg by the way...)




    Love this tune, left over from the Royal Scam but came out on the Greatest Hits LP in the late '70s...

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    "Kulee Baba" - who's on drums on that take? Porcaro?
    Sick beat....

    "From noon till six we'd play the tune over and over and over again, nailing each part. We'd go to dinner and come back and start recording. They made everybody play like their life depended on it. But they weren't gonna keep anything anyone else played that night, no matter how tight it was. All they were going for was the drum track."

    - Jeff Porcaro

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    Not really CSB, but.....

    I was dating a girl back in '91-'92 who's sister is Yvette Nipar. (She's from Texas)
    Nipar played on full house and other shows/movies, etc...

    Well her and her boyfriend lived next door or two houses down from Porcaro when he died...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rip76 View Post
    "Kulee Baba" - who's on drums on that take? Porcaro?
    Sick beat....

    "From noon till six we'd play the tune over and over and over again, nailing each part. We'd go to dinner and come back and start recording. They made everybody play like their life depended on it. But they weren't gonna keep anything anyone else played that night, no matter how tight it was. All they were going for was the drum track."

    - Jeff Porcaro
    Based on a comment I saw and watching this video, it may be Bernard Purdie, style is pretty similar...



    Edit: no, it was Rick Marotta
    Last edited by UTCzech; 03-05-2012 at 03:31 PM. Reason: googling the internets

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    Here's where I got the Rick Marotta info from, more good stuff in here... Link
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    Wow, reading from above, I had no clue Steely Dan had plagiarized "Gaucho", it's pretty damn obvious:


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    that's because steely dan gargles my balls

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    Is there gas in the car?
    Yes, there's gas in the car...



    Maybe an obvious choice but brilliant nonetheless. Supported by Bennie Purdie, Chuck Rainey and Larry $#@!ing Carlton with a solo for the ages - and teaching me the finger tap.

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    Even if it's just a baby fingertap.

    There's a Ben Stiller movie called "Flirting With Disaster," that I swear the last 1/2 of that movie was based on Kid Charlemagne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the idoit View Post
    Is there gas in the car?
    Yes, there's gas in the car...

    Maybe an obvious choice but brilliant nonetheless. Supported by Bennie Purdie, Chuck Rainey and Larry $#@!ing Carlton with a solo for the ages - and teaching me the finger tap.
    Man, I could sit and watch vinyl spin for hours on end. Only thing missing is the smell of a new record, and the smell of other products as you pour over the liner notes.

    One thing I love about Steely Dan are the guitar solos. Carlton's in this one, Elliott Randall's in "Reelin' In The Years" and Skunk Baxter's in "My Old School". Yummy.
    Last edited by hullabelew; 03-06-2012 at 08:44 AM.

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    "I foresee terrible trouble, and I stay here just the same". Gives me chills every time I hear that line. Also, the way the horns kind of drag along..very melancholy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullabelew View Post
    Man, I could sit and watch vinyl spin for hours on end. Only thing missing is the smell of a new record, and the smell of other products as you pour over the liner notes.

    One thing I love about Steely Dan are the guitar solos. Carlton's in this one, Elliott Randall's in "Reelin' In The Years" and Skunk Baxter's in "My Old School". Yummy.
    Those two for sure - love me some Skunk Baxter - plus original founding member Denny Dias' ridiculous sitar solo on "Do it Again" and we've collectively rounded out my top four SD solos - with the aforementioned "Don't Take Me Alive" with Carlton running a close fifth.

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    Meh - what the hell. It should be on this thread anyway, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hullabelew View Post
    Man, I could sit and watch vinyl spin for hours on end. Only thing missing is the smell of a new record, and the smell of other products as you pour over the liner notes.

    One thing I love about Steely Dan are the guitar solos. Carlton's in this one, Elliott Randall's in "Reelin' In The Years" and Skunk Baxter's in "My Old School". Yummy.
    Totally gagree. Add the solo in "Peg" for me. I think I posted this in another thread, but the solo in "Bad Sneakers" is good. No mind-numbing speed or anything, but something you can drink a few beers to while listening.

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    I'm nine beers and two bowls in tonight, but I just listened to "Deacon Blues" and I'm convinced that's the greatest song ever. Of course, that could be related to the nine beers and two bowls. My iPod just shuffled to "Maggie's Farm", and now I think that's the best song ever. You know what? Never mind. Apparently, I'm $#@!ed up. Carry on.

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    Pos rep all around. SD is just perfect when you just want to sit back and just listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronisnotcool View Post
    that's because steely dan gargles my balls

    no, steely dan penetrates your anus.




    strap on dildos $#@!ing rule, naked lunch $#@!ing rules.

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    May as well bump this Steely Dan thread as well as many others. Many, you can just hit this bands wiki page and spend all day finding cool old stuff.

    Becker and $#@!en began playing in local groups. One such group, known as The Bad Rock Group and later as The Leather Canary, included future comedy star Chevy Chase on drums. They played covers of songs by The Rolling Stones ("Dandelion"), Moby Grape ("Hey Grandma"), and Willie Dixon ("Spoonful"), as well as some original compositions.[15] Terence Boylan, another Bard musician, remembered that $#@!en took readily to the Beatnik life while attending college: "They never came out of their room, they stayed up all night. They looked like ghosts — black turtlenecks and skin so white that it looked like yogurt. Absolutely no activity, chain-smoking Lucky Strikes and dope."[15] $#@!en himself would later remember it as "probably the only time in my life that I actually had friends."[16]


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    Wow, this demo is sweet.



    I can see why $#@!en was a tad defensive about his vocals.

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