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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    You could have a BBA with set exceptions that would require a vote. This would be somewhat better than the current system.

    The average family is contractuallly required to pay the loan back, btw. And those requirements have real teeth. (Barring the government coming in defanging.)

    Here is another sad reality. Our economy is so distorted and now dependent on government debt that if the BBA went into effect immediately, it would throw us into a Depression. Our economy is like a drug addict ... we are "hooked" on the federal government's debt. Any preclusion on government borrowing would have to be implemented in phases, over time and gradually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    Term limits would most definitely require a constitutional amendment.
    Why do you say that? The Constitution says nothing about how long a representative or senator can serve. Doesn't it just speak to their qualifications?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emoryoid View Post
    Why do you say that? The Constitution says nothing about how long a representative or senator can serve. Doesn't it just speak to their qualifications?
    Those list of qualifications are an exhaustive list. Adding a qualification, in this case that the individual had not previously served [insert number here] terms, requires a Constitutional amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    Those list of qualifications are an exhaustive list. Adding a qualification, in this case that the individual had not previously served [insert number here] terms, requires a Constitutional amendment.
    Guess I didn't see a disqualifier as requiring an amendment. But if it does, then in that event we should definitely amend the document to impose term limits and rid ourselves of the permanent political class.

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    The power to decide criteria belongs to the states. The feds can't tell a state its choice is illegal because he's already served.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeHorn View Post
    The power to decide criteria belongs to the states. The feds can't tell a state its choice is illegal because he's already served.
    Of course they can, just as the feds can tell a state its choice is illegal because he isn't old enough, or hasn't been a citizen for long enough, or doesn't live in that state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    Of course they can, just as the feds can tell a state its choice is illegal because he isn't old enough, or hasn't been a citizen for long enough, or doesn't live in that state.
    Those criteria are in the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightin' Buck View Post
    Every one of these things can be fixed at the ballot box. No need for amendments.
    Really? Which party are you going to vote for to balance the budget? Or to implement term limits? Or any of the others?
    I forgot the most important one. 5) Any regulation implemented by a government agency that is projected to have greater than a $100M impact on the economy must be passed and approved by Congress.
    6) Every government agency must have a sunset period of no more than 20 years, and must be reauthorized by Congress to continue to exist.

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    How about a soft cap on terms. Say something like, you can't be in office for more than, oh how about 2 $#@!ing decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeHorn View Post
    A balanced budget amendment would be a huge mistake. An amendment curbing spending might make sense if well written, but we need to allow deficit spending, particularly in emergencies.

    Debt can be good or bad, whether the borrower is an individual, a company or a nation. Wise borrowing can be essential. For the US today we can't balance the budget without reneging on our social contract. But we don't need to balance the budget. We need to restructure Social Security, MediCare and MedicAid. In time we can get the deficit under three percent of GDP. If the deficit is under three percent of GDP, the debt, as a percent of GDP shrinks. If we can get debt, as a percent of GDP, to under sixty percent and shrinking, we're fine. No additional borrowing is nutty thinking, by people who don't understand finance. It's like outlawing borrowing by a company or by an individual to buy a house.
    Wow. I agree with Tahoe completely here.

    Also, I don't see how you are going to get around the two parties in this hypothetical convention. Who do you think will make up the bulk of the state legislators required to put this thing in motion? Then you need 3/4 of the states to ratify it. 99% of the people involved will be either Republican or Democrat. These are the people you are electing. The only way to get past them is to vote them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMHammer View Post
    Really? Which party are you going to vote for to balance the budget? Or to implement term limits? Or any of the others?
    I forgot the most important one. 5) Any regulation implemented by a government agency that is projected to have greater than a $100M impact on the economy must be passed and approved by Congress.
    6) Every government agency must have a sunset period of no more than 20 years, and must be reauthorized by Congress to continue to exist.
    A majority of voters put those politicians in power. You need an even greater majority to bypass them. A convention is a pipe dream when the popular vote does not support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    The craptastically stupid voters who are too busy to think about who the vote for and too busy to try to run for office?

    Virtualy everything in life is skewed. People don't give a $#@! about some kid who is too poor to go to college and get an education, but when it comes to the relatively minimal work of becoming involved in local politics most of us whine because it's all skewed. The world is unfair, and in politics, power goes to those who want it. There is no real educational or opportuinity difference between a guy like me and guys like Alberto Gonzalez or Barack Obama or even the Clintons. I have as good an education as most people in Congress. But like most of the folks on this board, I made a choice NOT to become as involved in politics as I could have.

    It doesn't take some earth shattering new idea to reverse what is going on. It takes a knowledge of history and a willingness to sacrifice to fight the good fight.

    All the other stuff is gimmicks and self pity.
    Nope but thanks for trying. As long as an incumbent takes lobbyist money and toes their line they will always have the war chest ready for re election. It's all about dollars. It's much easier for the lobbyist to support the incumbent than try to get a new face in the seat. Again it's dollars, I'm dealing in reality and you're talking theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBoard View Post
    Nope but thanks for trying. As long as an incumbent takes lobbyist money and toes their line they will always have the war chest ready for re election. It's all about dollars. It's much easier for the lobbyist to support the incumbent than try to get a new face in the seat. Again it's dollars, I'm dealing in reality and you're talking theory.
    You're a pathetic surrender monkey, mr. realist. I just see you for the lazy shiftless $#@!ty voter/citizen you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    You're a pathetic surrender monkey, mr. realist. I just see you for the lazy shiftless $#@!ty voter/citizen you are.
    Wow, who are you super voter man ? Maybe we should just let you tell us who to vote for.

    You're living in a dream world if you think the general process of getting elected is a level playing field. The best man or woman doesn't always win.

    I'll put my knowledge of candidates I'm voting for against other folks any day.

    You mistake realism for apathy, but they really are two very separate things my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBoard View Post
    Nope but thanks for trying. As long as an incumbent takes lobbyist money and toes their line they will always have the war chest ready for re election. It's all about dollars. It's much easier for the lobbyist to support the incumbent than try to get a new face in the seat. Again it's dollars, I'm dealing in reality and you're talking theory.
    This sounds like an argument for an amendment to end/change the way that campaigns are financed, not for an amendment to limit terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBoard View Post
    Wow, who are you super voter man ? Maybe we should just let you tell us who to vote for.

    You're living in a dream world if you think the general process of getting elected is a level playing field. The best man or woman doesn't always win.

    I'll put my knowledge of candidates I'm voting for against other folks any day.

    You mistake realism for apathy, but they really are two very separate things my friend.
    Dude, I already said above that it's not a level playing field. You can pretend otherwise, but don't misstate what I have said.

    You're getting it wrong. I am not singling you out. I am singling out the American voter out. And I am saying that the way to build a champtionship team is to do the hard work and get it done, even though there is no level playing field.

    As I implied earlier, very few things in life are obtainable if you are only willing to play if it is a "level playing field". Poor kids have to figure out how to get a degree. Poor kids have to figure out how to negotiate the culture of the business world or politics. Teams that play teams like Texas or Alabama or USC have to figure out ways to compete.

    It's not just about voting. It's about intelligent people running for office. I don't demand any sort of high level for my representative. I just want someone who isn't a party hack who knows how to balance a checkbook. Whereas you think that those guys aren't running because "there is no level playing field", I think they aren't runinig because a) they don't care and b) voters won't vote for them because the voters aren't thinking things through.

    Are you honestly telling me that the only reason Ron Paul isn't doing better is because "there is no level playing field"? That's ludicrous because he is as establshed as anyone. I don't think he is doing good because he is too damn old and also because he is talking in ways that accentuate the "radical" aspects of views rather than the practical aspects of his views. If Ron Paul resonated with older voters the way he does with younger ones he reallly would have a legitimate chance of making a difference against this rather lame field.

    It's half full vs. half empty, because your response is likely that the $#@!ty Romney and Santorum campaigns are a perfect reflection of party politics as usual. But I think that is a poor example because no one took Santorum seriously to begin with. Santorum is an issue not because of "level playing flields" but because the idiot blue haired Republican voters think he will stop muslims from stealing our precious bodily fluids.

    You claim to be a realist and yet you ignoring the issue of voters and their ablity to filter out some of the money in politics -- especially in more local elections. And furthermore, given your theory, in what way to you expect the power structure to allow the structural changes required to "level the playing field". That's like saying that the way to stop the NCAA from ruining college football is to get them to change the rules of the very game itself. That's less likely to happen than actually trying to take on the challenge of the non-level playing field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBoard View Post
    Wow, who are you super voter man ? Maybe we should just let you tell us who to vote for.

    You're living in a dream world if you think the general process of getting elected is a level playing field. The best man or woman doesn't always win.

    I'll put my knowledge of candidates I'm voting for against other folks any day.

    You mistake realism for apathy, but they really are two very separate things my friend.
    I have no idea by what objective metric you think we can determine the "best" candidate but regardless, the point of a republican system of government is not that voters will elect the "best" candidate but rather the point is self-determination.

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    My congressman is a guy named Jeb Hensarling. My district is kind of a bull$#@! district that run's from the just north of the peoples republic of white rock down to palestine and other aggy loving parts. From wiki:

    Hensarling has maintained a conservative voting record: he has consistently voted against pro-choice legislation, stem cell research, same-sex marriage and hate crimes legislation, and consistently supported free trade policies, the PATRIOT Act, and a Constitutional amendment against flag burning.[1]

    Hensarling serves on the House Committee on the Budget and the House Committee on Financial Services, in which position the Dallas Morning News has described him as a “rising congressional star” and a “man of conviction”[citation needed], and the New York Times has described him as a “conservative leader.”[citation needed] According to the National Taxpayer Union, Hensarling scored the highest pro-taxpayer rating in the Texas delegation, and the second highest in the entire U.S. House of Representatives.


    Now to me, as much as I hate this guy's social approach, he certainly represents his constituency. I'd have a whale of a time unseating him, mostly because he was an Eagle Scout, and I was just, well, a scout.

    He's also white.

    But I can't think of somone who is more logically a representative of his district. I personally think he should be in a hayseed district and there should be a more ersatz Lake Highlands district but there you go.

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    Tropheus said it best in a post on a different thread. The new guys go up to D.C. and get assimilated by the culture. It'll happen to 90% of them, or they'll quit.

    We have totally gone away from what was a constitutional republic. Of course we're on a path to tyranny, it's the natural evolution for those with power to accrete more power. The people of this country have to take the power back, and I don't think we can do it with Ron Paul or Romney or by "voting them out".

    We absolutely need a convention. The only alternative is tyranny. Romney is not the answer but he's the "best" of the Republican crop.

    A convention would allow people to talk in terms of general principles, not specific policies, even if we know certain policies would naturally follow. So it would be easier, for example, to get an opt out on Social Security if you abstract somewhat from the specific implications of it, but rather focus on the liberty value, and on the fact of its insolvency (absolute proof the government cannot run a pension fund).

    Democracy and totalitarianism are incompatible. You can see in Europe, where Italy and Greece experienced coups d'etat and nobody blinked an eye. And the social welfare state is a failure, at least if you believe Mario Draghi when he said "The European social model has already gone"
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    Constitutional Convention is the only way out of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeHorn View Post
    You'd be hardpressed to find anybody in this country (or world) who is tickled pink with the status of politics. We all want some changes. The problem is: my changes are different from yours. Or his. In a democracy there isn't some fix that will satisfy me. The people who disagree with me won't agree to it. And they get to block my changes. A new constitutional convention, a new President, a new Congress or a new Supreme Court will not get me what I want. Or anybody else what they want. As long as we have a democracy and a lot of people don't want what you want you'll have a problem. Deal with it. Learn to work for half a loaf. The full loaf isn't possible.
    This may be the best thing Tahoe's ever written.

    The declarative is his friend in a way the interrogative never will be.

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    Nay.

    The American Revolution and the minds that sparked the declaration of independence and the constitution did not happen in a vacuum. It was the culmination of years of great thought and enlightment regarding the nature of man and government. We have not replicated that yet because we have not yet understood the true nature of the oppressive State on the whole. If we did it now it would look like some European charter that placed little importance on the individual.

    If one happens it has to happen amidst a revolution like the first did.
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    Out of curiousity, how do you see this constitutional convention working? Who are you going to invite? Who is in charge? By what process does it replace the current constitution?
    And how is all this less complicated than getting the constutition amended to include the few tweaks that some folks have suggested like term limits, balance budget amendment, additional restrictions on the federal government, etc. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco Ramirez View Post
    Out of curiousity, how do you see this constitutional convention working? Who are you going to invite? Who is in charge? By what process does it replace the current constitution?
    And how is all this less complicated than getting the constutition amended to include the few tweaks that some folks have suggested like term limits, balance budget amendment, additional restrictions on the federal government, etc. ?
    The entire process is spelled out in the Constitution. It's not like a party you get invited to. You cannot amend the Constitution with out a Const. convention I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBoard View Post
    The entire process is spelled out in the Constitution. It's not like a party you get invited to. You cannot amend the Constitution with out a Const. convention I believe.
    That's not how I read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeHorn View Post
    That's not how I read it.
    What am I missing ? (seriously)

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    http://www.house.gov/house/Constitut...stitution.html

    Article. V.
    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
    There are two ways to get amendments proposed. Two thirds of both houses of Congress is the way which is normally used. [The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution] (Always I think.) The other way is to get two thirds of the state legislatures to call a convention. [the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments
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    A convention would allow people to talk in terms of general principles, not specific policies, even if we know certain policies would naturally follow. So it would be easier, for example, to get an opt out on Social Security if you abstract somewhat from the specific implications of it, but rather focus on the liberty value, and on the fact of its insolvency (absolute proof the government cannot run a pension fund).
    That sounds great, but it all unravels on day 2 when people start wondering how the actual policies affect them. A large, complex government requires the specifics. Maybe an opt-out on things works on an individual basis and sounds/feels good for liberty reasons, but if the macro effects are counter-productive to the union then a reassessment will happen (not speaking specifically about SS here, just the general idea), and we'll be right back where we started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeHorn View Post
    http://www.house.gov/house/Constitut...stitution.html



    There are two ways to get amendments proposed. Two thirds of both houses of Congress is the way which is normally used. [The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution] (Always I think.) The other way is to get two thirds of the state legislatures to call a convention. [the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments
    This is what I've always thought, a fed. route and a state route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBoard View Post
    This is what I've always thought, a fed. route and a state route.
    Even via the fed route, the proposed amendment has to be ratified by three fourths of the states before it becomes part of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not My Real Name View Post
    Even via the fed route, the proposed amendment has to be ratified by three fourths of the states before it becomes part of the Constitution.
    Yeah, it's a difficult process. It's supposed to be because they didn't want the Constitution to become an easily amendable document.

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    How about an amendment to end corporate personhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Knight View Post
    How about an amendment to end corporate personhood.
    Hell yeah, but that's a Constitutional issue now that SCOTUS has ruled on that abortion of a concept. It seems that the one man one vote concept of a rep. republic is completely abandoned if a corporation is considered an individual.

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    I'd like to reinstitute the poll tax and literacy tests. And add a government and economics test too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeHorn View Post
    I'd like to reinstitute the poll tax and literacy tests. And add a government and economics test too.
    Wouldn't that be a wild experiment. Not the poll tax, but a basic civics test on how our gov't is arranged at least must be passed to vote. Probably cut voter turn out to below 40% (being generous)

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    Also let's bring out the dogs and firehoses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Knight View Post
    How about an amendment to end corporate personhood.
    Sure, but you have to get people to support you. When they find out that what you mean is that government should be put in charge of political speech, it might not be so popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco Ramirez View Post
    Out of curiousity, how do you see this constitutional convention working? Who are you going to invite? Who is in charge? By what process does it replace the current constitution?
    And how is all this less complicated than getting the constutition amended to include the few tweaks that some folks have suggested like term limits, balance budget amendment, additional restrictions on the federal government, etc. ?

    This is only a first pass, but here's one approach (highly idealized for sure).

    Before the main convention, you would need to have various state conventions, for the purpose of selecting delegates. Then you need to have a series of topic specific conventions, which will end in making recommendation to the actual convention. This will be augmented by significant polling both before the topical conventions, and after. This polling needs to involve much greater detail than most of the drive by polls that are done now.

    You need to involve civic, religious, business, and political leaders. All of them. If one were to hold a convention with only politicians, OMFG that would be bad. This needs to happen because, and be seen as a result, of the failure of our current leaders.

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    We could accomplish so much by repealing the 16th and 17th amendments an abolishing the FED. Those will never happen without a collapse so my original statement stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ View Post
    There's only a revolution when some of the people at the top want it differently.
    Wait what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maninblack View Post
    We could accomplish so much by repealing the 16th and 17th amendments an abolishing the FED. Those will never happen without a collapse so my original statement stands.
    I get where you're coming from. But it isn't in anyone's best interest to create a financial collapse. It is avoidable. And if we wait until things get really bad, there's no guarantee that as more people become dependent of government that those dependents won't vote themselves more and more benefits, with obvious implications for freedom and economic prosperity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexasHammer View Post
    I get where you're coming from. But it isn't in anyone's best interest to create a financial collapse. It is avoidable. And if we wait until things get really bad, there's no guarantee that as more people become dependent of government that those dependents won't vote themselves more and more benefits, with obvious implications for freedom and economic prosperity.
    Unfortunately I don't think it's avoidable. The dollar collapse will come. My fear is what comes after it. We can either completely reboot or go off the res into police state territory. I don't for a minute think its not possible in the US.

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    People have no idea what I'm talking about when I refer to the Pax Americana. But when Russia puts troops into Syria, and China imprisons its nobel peace prize winner and backs No Korea and builds a slave empire in Africa, well, incompetent as we are, I don't want to see what happens when we aren't there anymore.

    We are undoubtedly headed towards global instability and it's likely that lots of people will die as a result.

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    Hey Henry Kissinger and Obama have Nobel peace prizes and they're war criminals so go figure. The world is upside down. 1984

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    I'm confused about your poll, Hammer. If If I vote to support tyranny, does that mean I think we DON'T need a convention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Knight View Post
    How about an amendment to end corporate personhood.
    The corporations won't allow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macanudo View Post
    How about a soft cap on terms. Say something like, you can't be in office for more than, oh how about 2 $#@!ing decades.
    Or just cap how much they steal. Say once you get to $10m you have to quit.

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