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For me? I don't know. I wasn't there. I am not a witness.
The God I believe in would do such a thing to cleanse our sins and unrighteousness but ...
No34.
I believe in the Easter Bunny more.
I was there. it was actually shot in Hollywood, though, so it's not all that cool.
It's not what you know, it's what you believe.
Yes.
anyone have cable tv? I've seen this show a few times on various outlets and it's very convincing. BTW, I don't believe in a supernatural being(s) , so it takes a lot to budge me. The Shroud of Turin is really really compelling as proof of Jesus and the crucifiction.
Last edited by H34TX; 04-08-2012 at 10:56 PM.
Yes, I believe that Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven. I really hope to be there myself sometime.
Agreed. "Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." ~ John 20:29Originally Posted by SirTexan
Yes. To fellow believers, Happy Easter. To all others, have an awesome Spring.
It's easy for me to dismiss religion altogether for one simple, glaring fact: Religion was created to help us cope with the fact that we will all die.
It sucks, that we all die.
It really does.
But grow the $#@! up and get over it.
Yes. Let's quote Scripture. Scripture is always good for a fallback.
Anyone can believe as they wish...no skin off my back, but personally I think all that stuff is hogwash.
Believing in scripture literally forces you to deal with ridiculously impossible leaps of logic that are patted over by the ambiguous word "faith" which in this context actuality has absolutely nothing to do with your relationship to God.
God gave us eyes to see and a mind to think. Use them.
so, nope.
It makes for a good story.
$#@! yeah Jesus rose from the dead...then him, Ceasar, Pablo, Ernesto, and like 10 other dudes put down a new roof on my house like a $#@!in' boss...
No.
Subscribed.
I'm a Christian so yes.
You must have a rather large home. I have, however, had guys work for me & had the 4 names you mentioned. The typical residential crew is about 8 guys @ most.
affirmative.
I understand your angst but I quoted Scripture specifically to support what SirTexan wrote - not to defend my belief or to prove anything to anyone. There are others here more learned than I that may choose to go that route. I'm not going to be the one to change anyone's mind, certainly not on this forum, though I'm always happy to discuss it with anyone who's truly interested.
I agree with Patrick Swayze in that, "anyone can believe as they wish... no skin off my back... ". Someone else's personal choice has nothing to do with how I view or interact with them.
That's not true at all. It has everything to do with how you view them. If their personal choice regarding religion just so happens to be one that doesn't exactly agree with your religion, you view them as people who will, when they die, burn for eternity in a fiery kingdom ruled by some being that resembles a Charizard. Your religion insists that you view them this way, or else you join them.
Nope, next question.
jesus was real. but he was just a dude with a great message that really caught on. he wasn't god's son.
that's my opinion anyway.
short answer, no.
What about Jesus' abilities at the plate? Do you think he can hit a curveball?
This right here. If all the people who claimed Christ actually accepted others beliefs, this world would be a much different and better place. Following Christ in this country, however, seems to make believers very un-Christlike
nope
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion. - Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
The Pentecost sections of the new t
What I do wonder though if this christian god existed, to which audience is he talking to?
I can believe that early man could believe in the ressurrection more easily than modern man. If the message is supposed to create equal amounts of faith or skepticism for man shouldn't this message morph throughout the ages?
In the first edition of the bible Jesus ressurrected
In the 201st edition before dying Jesus prayed and the crowd felt healed.
Damn tapatalk. The Pentecost sections of the new testament really do a remarkable job of discussing this. The apostles were not convinced of the resurrection of Christ. They didn't know what happened, but assumed he died, like everyone else. In fact, they lived their lives after christ's death as though he did just "die". It was only after re-engaging the resurrected Christ that they thought differently.
Ask yourself: wouldn't you have acted like them? Assuming it was all a fraud?
And wouldn't it take a living interaction with the resurrected Christ to believe? To truly believe?
The apostles weren't radicals. They were normal people. That is, until they saw, as St. Thomas observed after touching the wounds of the resurrected Christ: "my lord; my god".
This portrayal of the apostles, more so than any other passage, affirms my belief in the resurrection. After the death, they attempted to assimilate back into Jewish culture. They were ready to throw in the towel, just like I would've done. They were as skeptical as all of you. But they saw, and then they believed.
What's your point? The Bible, says that he who believes will be saved, and he who does not shall be condemned. I think unbelievers are misguided, you think believers are misguided. Not to speak for the other poster, but for me, its pretty clear cut. That doesn't mean I go around judging people or shouting fire and brimstone. But logically a Christian is going to believe unbelievers are going to hell.
Your last sentence is false though.
I think 13 guys would get together occasionally and smoke some serious weed. 4 books were written Hunter S. Thompson style about it.
This is hardly a primitive people you're talking to. The pyramids were already ancient history. Some 2000 years elapsed between the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza and the time of Christ; some 6000 years elapsed before the construction of very first Egyptian pyramid. Some 50,000 years elapsed before the "behavioral modernity" of the homo sapien, and some 200,000 years elapsed since the anatomical homo sapien emerged. The Greeks had produced Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. The Roman empire was about to be in full swing. These weren't cavemen. Nor were they uneducated.
Last edited by fortyakers; 04-09-2012 at 12:31 AM.
Right. Because if some guys were just toking out, in first century Judea you'd stake your life on what they claimed.
Saul of Tarsus was extremely educated, and lost everything for the sake of Christ and proclaiming His resurrection.
You're absolutely right - with the possible exception of the Charizard bit. Sincerely, I re-thought my response and realized it wasn't accurate prior to reading your reply. What would have been better stated is that I won't react to others differently whether they agree with my belief system or not* and I won't attempt to force my beliefs or anything resembling adherence to my "principals" or mores. This is getting a bit Cloak Room-ish. That wasn't the intent so I'll stop there.
*Exceptions for Nazis and the like. I think you get my drift.
Peace.
Perhaps it's not stated so clearly in the Bible, but from what I've read of it, that's most certainly the implication. So I won't even ask for an explanation as to why you think it's false.
They also thought the Earth was flat and was the center of the universe, not an inkling about about bacteria, cells or any other type of microbiology
How many people have given up their lives for $#@! that you find to be crazy? Like, say, flying an airplane into a building.
Religion is nothing more than man-made BS. It's a scourge on the human race. I am baffled by the fact that so many seemingly intelligent people buy into it.
Bernard
Has science provided you some definitive answer as to the origin of creation that the rest of us are in the dark about?
I can guarantee you I'm not seemingly intelligent. ...nor do I joke about police officers being shot in the line of duty.
no, but it's taught me that a man can not live inside the belly of a whale for 3 days
Yeah, I don't know how to answer that. I agree. All I can say is that the Bible is littered with parables; some parts are narrative, some are poetic, some are metaphorical, etc.
Comparing the actions of suicidal lunatics either raised to or self-taught to hate to the actions of first century Christians who gave everything (when they had an easy choice not to do so) to proclaim love and Christ is ridiculous.
EDIT: so is comparing it to toked out druggies. Which was what my original reply was addressed to.
and whose to say which are what, and did they change over time
Agree. But let's not forget that it's also "impossible" to be raised from the dead. A Christian's view of history includes a God who acts miraculously.
I wasn't comparing them to christians. It was an example of people sacrifcing their lives for what they believe. The act does not make what they belive any more believable.
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