I was merely asking him/her to provide an example instead of talking out of his backside. But you, my sarcastic friend, tell me what miracle or miracles that Zeus, Odin, Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc.. has ever performed that was documented with witnesses that led such witnesses to transform their lives dramatically and die for their faith.
Last edited by Ron McKelvey; 04-19-2012 at 09:24 AM.
What exactly does that mean? My friend was going to have the operation but it had substantial amount of risk involved. Should she not have prayed? Should we not have prayed? What harm does that do?
Having a relationship with Jesus does not in any way diminish the value of doctors in our society.
Let's get back to the original question which posters keep diverting from because they can't answer it. Did Jesus rise from the dead?
If he didn't actually do it, why didn't the authorities simply produce the body instead of letting the Christian movement grow (and eventually transform Rome)?
By the time Christianity transformed Rome, they could have produced all sorts of 300 year old skeletons. It wouldn't have made a difference. They didn't have DNA back then. A skeleton could have been anyone.
Don't you think the Romans, who were experts at performing executions, would know to make sure the person being crucified was dead?
You're undermining their value as it is by saying "miracles happen all the time." Sorry doctor you're not needed, Gods got this one. Since miracles happen all the time we can just tear down these hospitals and build more churches for prayer right?
A good friend of mine moved to Alaska. Immediately thereafter, her mom was diagnosed with colon cancer. A couple months later, her mom took a quick turn for the worse. She tried to get back home and see her before she died. Her flight got delayed and weather otherwise interfered. Her mom died before she arrived. People had been praying fervently for her mom's healing, and then prayed fervently that she would live until her daughter got there. Possible options:
1) The people praying for this miracle didn't pray hard enough. They needed lessons from the heart patient prayer circle on getting God to grant your request.
2) It was just not GOD'S PLAN for her to live that long. If this is the answer, then it wasn't a miracle when the heart patient recovered, it was just GOD'S PLAN.
3) God is a being that created the universe/us, but does not interfere in day-to-day operations
4) There is no God
I prayed for days on end, and without getting tl;dr, I'm alive and well today. Can I explain what happened? There are no words in the english language to describe the feelings that I got when God told me I would be ok. I do know that to this day I cannot think of it without crying, and hitting my knees in prayer, the whole situation changed my life for the better, and also that of my entire family.
Yep, including right here, right now...
Last edited by SHOOTER12; 04-19-2012 at 02:36 PM.
Something worthwhile that I learned this past week at church... the lesson was about Luke 9 and one verse talked about how the apostoles should react if not received by towns where they went to preach the Gospel.
The comment was that sometimes, as believers, we spend all this time trying to convince people who don't want to convince. Instead, we should spend our time talking to those who are interested and may have an open mind. Don't burn all your energy where the message will not be received no matter how much you try. As Jesus said, shake off the dust from your feet and move on. My advice to those of you on this thread.4 “Whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”
God was powerless to stop him?
Well, I can say w/out hesitation that the Christians on this thread have convinced me I'm right about Jesus not being the SOG. Wow, twisted logic gives me tired head.
There's a thread here about an officer who was shot to death in cold blood and died at wal-mart. And
another thread where a mother was murdered and her child abducted, both of which leave behind a family.
Was that apart of Gods master plan? Surely he must take credit for such tragic and heinous crimes if he's running the show right?
There is no god, and 99.999% of the posters here prove that fact. I, of course, am exempt!
So, I haven't read this thread since about page 2. Has anyone talked anyone else into or out of believing that Jesus is the son of God and rose from the dead in the last 15 pages?
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