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Read the previous 10 pages on this thread.Originally Posted by Ron McKelvey
Deductive reasoning....they wouldn't fit on the ark so hence, they became extinct.
Well, we are in the same boat on that one. I also believe that faith or lack thereof, has a lot to do with what is healed and what is not. Perhaps if we amputees had absolute faith that our amputated limbs could be restored...they would. Not an absolute statement, just food for thought. The reason I say that, is I was supposed to be dead years ago. I was a stage IV congestive heart failure patient. I was told I only had a 2 in 10 chance of living 2 years, and I that I would be bedridden and on oxygen for the remainder of my days.
I prayed for days on end, and without getting tl;dr, I'm alive and well today. Can I explain what happened? There are no words in the english language to describe the feelings that I got when God told me I would be ok. I do know that to this day I cannot think of it without crying, and hitting my knees in prayer, the whole situation changed my life for the better, and also that of my entire family.
Yep, including right here, right now...
Huh? Two of every animal on the planet could fit on the ark but not one single dinosaur? And dinosaurs became extinct due to Noahs flood?
We're re-writing history folks.
Check the sarcasm meter Rocko...needs calibration...
it's #2. something can be a miracle while also being God's plan. a miracle isn't the opposite of God's plan nor does it exclude that it was God's plan. a miracle is used to describe something that happens that humans can't define or explain using the laws of nature and physics that we have observed. humans don't make these laws, we observe them. to God a miracle isn't miraculous anymore than making a tennis ball disappear over my shoulder is miraculous to me no matter what my 13 month old thinks.
Damn thing keeps breaking on me.
then why thank God for answering your prayers if the only reason he does or doesn't is according to what His plan is? do you believe God has a set plan, or one that changes based on what humans ask of him?
Lol, happens to me all the time......
i believe God knows what happens in what to us is, the future. the Bible also shows God can be persuaded to change his mind. to be honest i'm not exactly sure how to reconcile that. the Bible also tells us to fervently pray and ask for things because it delights God to respond when we depend on Him.
...sometimes the answer to a prayer is "no", and no, I don't know why.
God must not have been delighted enough with hundreds of people praying so my friend could see her mom again. Do you wear a seatbelt? Why, if God already knows when you will die, and if it is in a car collision, that is how it will happen?
Because God does what He wants? So why offer celebration and praise when what He wants and what you want happen to overlap?
Wow...late of hate going on there bro. No, I'm not a "chosen one" whatever that means. I got sick when I was 47 years old. Maybe it wasn't my time, and for the record, both my mother and grandmother wound up in assisted living centers just like your grandmother did. Like you, it literally broke my heart when visiting to hear them plead to take them home with me. We are all (hopefully) headed to the ripe old age my mother, and both of our grandparents reached, and if we do, our health will fade and it may be you and I pleading to be taken home. No one on this earth lives forever, and while it is painful to all family members, it is inevitable. I hope you do enjoy your visit, and while I can promise no miracles, you can tell her that others she doesn't even know pray and care for her, and hopes she does better, and after your hateful and sacastic rhetoric, maybe that's a miracle in itself. Hope you find peace.
If you are a true believer, isn't heaven a better option? Why weren't you ready to go? No hate, just an honest question.
"In everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you"
Not just the good....
Do you mean why wasn't "I" ready, or why wasn't it my time?
You prayed to God to save you. "Please God, make it not my time," essentially. I don't understand why a true believer would ever do that. Praying for others, I can understand. It turns out it wasn't your time, but you certainly weren't ready.
Well basically after I got sick, and thought I was a goner, I had an epiphany like most people would. I realized that I had basically been working myself to death and that was the reason for my illnessm, my whole focus had been on more and more money. Enough was never enough. That had become WHO I was, and that's all I was. Although all of our family has always been very close, I was never around much, didn't get to attend the kids and grandkids functions, i.e birthdays, ballgames etc. I realized that all I gained was about to be lost, and that it the relationships with my family, friends and even strangers that was most important. It was if I had been slapped in the face, and yes then I prayed for everthing I was worth. Coincidentally or not, that's when I began recovering. Was it Gods way of waking me up? Don't know. Six months later my cardiologist wanted to know what I was doing, had I had experimental treatment or what. I just pointed upward. I do know that I no longer make mid 6 figures anymore, (lol, not even close to low 6 figures) but somehow, someway I've never been happier in my life. The whole thing changed EVERYTHING for me. I know it sounds cliche, but I love everyone. From the people in my family, to my coworkers, even to strangers I say hello to in the store. For lack of a better word, I feel whole for the first time in my life. Believe me, I still say thank you every night when I pray, and I will never, never take my life, family or people for granted again.
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Something worthwhile that I learned this past week at church... the lesson was about Luke 9 and one verse talked about how the apostoles should react if not received by towns where they went to preach the Gospel.
The comment was that sometimes, as believers, we spend all this time trying to convince people who don't want to convince. Instead, we should spend our time talking to those who are interested and may have an open mind. Don't burn all your energy where the message will not be received no matter how much you try. As Jesus said, shake off the dust from your feet and move on. My advice to those of you on this thread.4 “Whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”
But no one is ever like "I didn't get the job I really wanted. THANK YOU GOD!!!!"
Everything for a reason, a reason for everything...but no, not everyone feels that way.
It's like the Tebow thing. He does the "point up, praise God" move after he throws a TD or the Broncos make a FG, but not when he throws an INT or gets sacked, or Prater misses the game winner. Does God intervene in football games? Was it God's will that the Broncos beat the Steelers?
I haven't a clue.
So God had a reason that Jerry Sandusky anally raped a 10 year old boy in Penn State's shower?
I don't believe Jerry Sandusky ever knew God. There's no way to explain sickos, so I won't try to explain anything that evil.
God was powerless to stop him?
in late 2010 i felt God calling me to another job. it was a job that paid mid 5 figures as opposed to my low-mid 6 figure job i was currently at. i didn't know why He was calling me to it, but He was and I went. for several months it was incredibly hard adjusting and having faith that this was what was best for us. but in hindsight it was one of the best things that ever happened, as the things that happened as a result increased our dependency on God and led us to realize how much joy there is in obedience.
No, freewill and all....
I don't pretend to have the answers to this or any other of the tragedies that happen. I'm not looking to argue, I've only expressed MY experiences with my faith and things that have happened to me.
Right I mean I understand the concept of "I didn't know what was best for me, but God did". What about people who pray that tonight their stepdad will pass out before he rapes her again that night, and yet God doesn't stop it? I find it impossible to believe that that rape was best for her. Or the little boys who prayed that Sandusky wouldn't rape them, and they still did? Was Sandusky raping the little boy part of God's plan?
If there is free will, to me that directly contradicts "everything happens for a reason". If God is directing everything, you say "well it's His plan". If He isn't, sometimes $#@!ed up $#@! happens for no reason at all. And definitely understand, not trying to argue, just trying to understand the ways people wrap their heads around the things that took my faith away.
I'm sure there's an explanation, but you'll have to get it from someone far more intelligent than myself to get it. Just so you know that I do understand one thing, I know faith is sometimes the most difficult thing in the world. Especially with everything that goes on in this world.
Well, I can say w/out hesitation that the Christians on this thread have convinced me I'm right about Jesus not being the SOG. Wow, twisted logic gives me tired head.
Sorry about that....
You know what happened to those other 8 people who never recovered? They believed God "told" them they'd be healed, too (some of them, anyway).
They never recovered, and so they're not online saying "God didn't help me, WTF".
You did recover, and so here you are.
I'll just leave this here.... seems relevant.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...-life-science/
Tebow?
There's a thread here about an officer who was shot to death in cold blood and died at wal-mart. And
another thread where a mother was murdered and her child abducted, both of which leave behind a family.
Was that apart of Gods master plan? Surely he must take credit for such tragic and heinous crimes if he's running the show right?
There is no god, and 99.999% of the posters here prove that fact. I, of course, am exempt!
So, I haven't read this thread since about page 2. Has anyone talked anyone else into or out of believing that Jesus is the son of God and rose from the dead in the last 15 pages?
Thank you... close thread.
When good things happen it's God's doing. When bad things happen it's just $#@! that happens. Then out comes the "I don't have all the answers" mumbo jumbo like we're reading here.
Maybe y'all should look into a dude in the Bible called Satan.
oh jesus christ not antoher theodicy discussion. we have the same $#@!ing discussion every quarter so you guys can recycle the same $#@!.
The devil asked me to harvest a few souls.
It's a long process. Measured in years. Not pages.
I think it occurs at least once every offseason. I'd also like to see the breakdown as to how often Grendel starts the thread that does it. My suspicion is that he is trolling us. Wild, I know.
So then...do you have all of the answers?
You mean Saban?
My guess is that in Universe or reality Good and bad appear to even out. Zero sum. Balanced like forces of nature are.
Much less, mention the other side of planet Earth.
Edit: Somewhere in the entirety of the Bible, not just the Creation story.
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