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    oh jesus christ not antoher theodicy discussion. we have the same $#@!ing discussion every quarter so you guys can recycle the same $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anastasis View Post
    oh jesus christ not antoher theodicy discussion. we have the same $#@!ing discussion every quarter so you guys can recycle the same $#@!.
    The devil asked me to harvest a few souls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Continental Op View Post
    So, I haven't read this thread since about page 2. Has anyone talked anyone else into or out of believing that Jesus is the son of God and rose from the dead in the last 15 pages?
    It's a long process. Measured in years. Not pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anastasis View Post
    oh jesus christ not antoher theodicy discussion. we have the same $#@!ing discussion every quarter so you guys can recycle the same $#@!.
    I think it occurs at least once every offseason. I'd also like to see the breakdown as to how often Grendel starts the thread that does it. My suspicion is that he is trolling us. Wild, I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Five View Post
    When good things happen it's God's doing. When bad things happen it's just $#@! that happens. Then out comes the "I don't have all the answers" mumbo jumbo like we're reading here.
    So then...do you have all of the answers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighornfan32 View Post
    Maybe y'all should look into a dude in the Bible called Satan.
    You mean Saban?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Five View Post
    When good things happen it's God's doing. When bad things happen it's just $#@! that happens. Then out comes the "I don't have all the answers" mumbo jumbo like we're reading here.
    My guess is that in Universe or reality Good and bad appear to even out. Zero sum. Balanced like forces of nature are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXSooner518 View Post
    you would think the story of creation might mention the trillions of other planets besides this one. it makes God all the more impressive!

    Much less, mention the other side of planet Earth.

    Edit: Somewhere in the entirety of the Bible, not just the Creation story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighornfan32 View Post
    Maybe y'all should look into a dude in the Bible called Satan.
    So Satan caused those rapes and murders? So was God powerless to stop Satan or just chose not to?

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    "What this book presupposes is...maybe he didn't."

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    Quote Originally Posted by FondrenRoad View Post
    If there is a god, he/she is completely hands off and has been for all eternity.
    This.

    I believe in God and, also, that he does not interfere w/ the "Laws of the Universe"

    I'm currently not sure where I stand on Jesus Christ. The more I investigate, the more it appears to be a modern form of Sun Worship...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXSooner518 View Post
    So Satan caused those rapes and murders? So was God powerless to stop Satan or just chose not to?
    Why do you do bad things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighornfan32 View Post
    Why do you do bad things?
    I don't think that I do, but I guess that depends on the perspective of the judge. Many here would say I do a bad thing rooting for Oklahoma, but I don't actively do things that will harm other people.

    That was not an answer at all to the question I posed to you, BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHOOTER12 View Post
    So then...do you have all of the answers?
    Here's how that line of questioning went down:

    - I prayed and good stuff happened therefore God answers prayers.
    - Q: What about when you pray and bad stuff happens?
    - A: I don't know, God works in mysterious ways. Do you know why?

    The answer is, yes, I do know why. It's simple. God doesn't answer prayers.

    What some people perceive to be God answering prayers is actually statistical chance. Like you having a 2-in-10 chance of survival. You survived and you ascribe your survival to God answering your prayer. But the other 8 people, they're dead, and they can't point out that God doesn't answer prayers. And even if they were somehow able to, it's just not nearly as culturally acceptable in religious circles to go around and say "damn, God $#@!ed me over this time" as it is to say "God helped me!"

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    that act unto itself proves no god exists

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    Since this thread is still going on, I have a question for protestants. With Catholics and Jews it seems pretty simple. You either are or you arent, the beliefs are pretty well established. With protestants though, how does one choose to be Lutheran, or Presbyterian, or Methodist, or Baptist, or to join a TV megachurch which seems to be just whatever (not even sure they have eucharist like some of the other protestant religions). Episcopalian is the only one I have some familiarity with since I am Catholic but was married in an Episcopal church. Episcopalianism seems to be Catholie Lite, the only major difference being that they respond to the Archbishop of Canterbury instead of the Pope. I'm just curious how a protestant christian chooses between the various options that in my mind are very similar, but that is because I am Catholic and never really had a need to research the differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grammer Police View Post
    What about people like me that threaten the gods routinely and still get to live to tell about it? we definitely need more people like me to balance that table.

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    as much as I clown Christianity, I have even lower (none) respect for agnostics. Most of you who are bashing religion on this thread will claim agnostic status when you should be openly, proudly and defiantly atheistic (easy to do on the interwebs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by H34TX View Post
    as much as I clown Christianity, I have even lower (none) respect for agnostics. Most of you who are bashing religion on this thread will claim agnostic status when you should be openly, proudly and defiantly atheistic (easy to do on the interwebs).
    What? I'm agnostic but I'm an atheist when it comes to organized religion. In other words, I don't know if there's a god, but if there is I'm pretty confident he's nothing like the god that's described in the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Five View Post
    What? I'm agnostic but I'm an atheist when it comes to organized religion. In other words, I don't know if there's a god, but if there is I'm pretty confident he's nothing like the god that's described in the bible.
    exactly this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Five View Post
    What? I'm agnostic but I'm an atheist when it comes to organized religion. In other words, I don't know if there's a god, but if there is I'm pretty confident he's nothing like the god that's described in the bible.
    wrong usage of the word "atheist". Being an atheist with respect to organized religion does not make someone an "atheist", just that person is not a follower or member of any religion. At least crazy religious fanatics hold their ground, have a conviction, as do atheists. Agnostics are pussies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEZ_bum View Post
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    "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
    “ for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
    If it's that easy then why even become a Christian? I mean can't any Joe blow do what he wants during his life then recite the Lords prayer right before he dies? Serial killers on death row could be saved while their victims never had a chance. So basically regardless of your actions in life just recite the Lords prayer before your death and be saved at an instant right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H34TX View Post
    wrong usage of the word "atheist". Being an atheist with respect to organized religion does not make someone an "atheist", just that person is not a follower or member of any religion. At least crazy religious fanatics hold their ground, have a conviction, as do atheists. Agnostics are pussies.
    So I have to choose between religion, and claiming that I know for certain that no god of any kind exists? Why? If I start talking about what I know to be true, then I'm just as full of $#@! as everyone else. I have no $#@!ing clue and I'm not arrogant enough to pretend that I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Five View Post
    So I have to choose between religion, and claiming that I know for certain that no god of any kind exists? Why? If I start talking about what I know to be true, then I'm just as full of $#@! as everyone else. I have no $#@!ing clue and I'm not arrogant enough to pretend that I do.
    rejecting religion does not make someone an atheist - lets get that out of the way first. Religion is a social construct to pay homage to deity, so one can reject religion (the human habits) but still believe in a deity. IMO, the deity is also a social construct, one level deeper than the religious one that derives its purpose from the original construct.

    To be confident in a belief does not make you full of $#@!. Would you be full of crap if you said " I fully reject the idea that the Wizard of Oz is God". How do you know that with 100% certainty? Would you be arrogant if you said that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H34TX View Post
    wrong usage of the word "atheist". Being an atheist with respect to organized religion does not make someone an "atheist", just that person is not a follower or member of any religion. At least crazy religious fanatics hold their ground, have a conviction, as do atheists. Agnostics are pussies.
    so much $#@!ing stupidity in one post...awe-inspiring.

    anyone claiming any type of insight into the ever-presesnt origins question is either delusional or an idiot. no one has any definite answers...whatsoever. religious idiots are idiots for believing their sacred text to be anything more than literature and atheists are idiots for believing it's categorically impossible for there to be any greater force at work, regardless of form.

    neither of us have any idea what was going on more than about 14.5 billion years ago. the only rational and reasoned place someone can land with the information available to us to date is agnostic...because no one has a $#@!ing clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriendO View Post
    The ideas of Christianity are nice. One of my issues (other than fraud) with the religion is that it takes away from who and what we are. We are creatures who have evolved through experiences and events on Earth, not from a faith delivered from the sky.
    Well, I agree that faith was not delivered from the sky, but religion is a big part of those experiences that have shaped who and what humans are, whether you believe in the faith or not.

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    "Agnostics are just athiests without balls." --Stephen Colbert

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    for those of you who are genuinely interested in this topic, John Piper's book Jesus: The Only Way to God--Must You Hear the Gospel to be Saved? is free today only for kindle. i haven't read it yet but if it's consistent with Piper and his other books it will be based on sound scriptural analysis. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...SIN=B003TU0WWY

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsoda3 View Post
    it will be based on sound scriptural analysis.
    So you know it's legit.

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    fo sho!


    "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
    “ for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
    this next to your avatar makes for an interesting juxtaposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slorch View Post
    Pass some of that $#@! down man...

    I read the above and was trying to figure out a common point upon which to begin my reply, but you said it best. + rep for you, Sir Slorch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H34TX View Post
    wrong usage of the word "atheist". Being an atheist with respect to organized religion does not make someone an "atheist", just that person is not a follower or member of any religion. At least crazy religious fanatics hold their ground, have a conviction, as do atheists. Agnostics are pussies.
    No, agnostics are humble enough to recognize that they do not understand the entire universe so well that they can definitively conclude no god exists, period. Atheists are arrogant $#@!s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewDevil View Post
    No, agnostics are humble enough to recognize that they do not understand the entire universe so well that they can definitively conclude no god exists, period. Atheists are arrogant $#@!s.
    No, just honest.

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    Yes, I do.

    1 Cor 15:4: "that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewDevil View Post
    No, agnostics are humble enough to recognize that they do not understand the entire universe so well that they can definitively conclude no god exists, period. Atheists are arrogant $#@!s.
    Something appears to be running the show. Whatever it is lies outside our frame of reference and this reality we experience is projected from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scomce View Post
    Yes, I do.

    1 Cor 15:4: "that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures"



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    Quote Originally Posted by FriendO View Post
    Some believe a creator had to have done this, even if not by means described correctly by religious ideas today. my question : if there is one creator, then
    a) do you have to conclude that there is another or other creators who created the one who created this existence we know
    b) what control does the creator have of his creation in the sense of
    _ 1) is the entire design of the creator?
    _ 2) or are only the basics designed and the results random?

    If you believe we have to have a creator, how can you not be forced to believe the creator has to have a creator? If you have to believe that, then voting for Romney is a little easier. I kid, but my question was headed towards Mormonism and other polytheistic beliefs- if the argument is "nothing can be made from nothing", how far do you go with that belief before you realize that the honest application of the idea that nothing can be made from nothing creates never-ending line of beings which are either greater than the creator here, or at least equal too. This means, there are unlimited Gods, unlimited planets which have been created etc.
    Those are good questions. For plausible explanations for how/why things are they way they are now, I think one ultimately has to end up at one of two extremes; that everything arose naturally or else was created supernaturally. The God of the Christian Bible is eternal and self-existent, meaning that nothing or no one else created Him. That's one of the awesome (and fearful?) aspects of his character. Time is not a barrier or problem for God as it is for mortal man. The eternal nature of God is what allows the Bible to record future prophecies (about the future of persons and nations, the birth/life/death of Jesus, and even the Armageddon end times on Earth) centuries before they actually come to pass.

    While scientists and science fiction writers like to theorize about time travel, alternate universes, alien life, etc., the Bible implicitly says that God is everywhere through all the generations of mankind. Regarding alternate universes, Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms with very different environments. The Bible says nothing about alien life evolving on Earth or other planets, but it definitely makes (brief) mention of very interesting/odd angelic creatures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriendO View Post
    Some believe a creator had to have done this, even if not by means described correctly by religious ideas today. my question.

    Your questions are wonderful and I spent years thinking about them until I decided that we live in a sort of flat land and can't see the entire picture. With out seeing the entire picture we can't know. Once I decided that there are other realities I quit worrying so much about how it all started. Even the concept of having to have a beginning may just be part of our frame of reference with events in this reality simply reactions to events in realities we don't see.

    Consider how our scientists build computer programs to simulate outcomes such as nuclear explosions. They write the code and watch it unfold to obtain results to answer their questions. While they wrote they code they don't know how it turns out until it executes. It's a learning experience for them. Perhaps this universe works the same way and the free will we speak of is an illusion with future events being unexecuted instructions waiting to unfold. Our reality would be the simulation, the source would be the computer code, the creators the scientists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
    Consider how our scientists build computer programs to simulate outcomes such as nuclear explosions. They write the code and watch it unfold to obtain results to answer their questions. While they wrote they code they don't know how it turns out until it executes. It's a learning experience for them. Perhaps this universe works the same way and the free will we speak of is an illusion with future events being unexecuted instructions waiting to unfold. Our reality would be the simulation, the source would be the computer code, the creators the scientists.
    never heard that type of comparison before but I like it, as a former cs student and terrible programmer, its fun to think of it like that.

    I personally just liked the idea that if there is a creator or something, it just said BOOM and let $#@! fly within a fixed set of physical and other rules. Then let the marbles fall as they do and sit back and watch, or don't and go do something else who knows.
    I have a REALLY hard time believing that something could create the vast amount of stuff out there and have the time or care to give a rats ass about what we do here on our little blue dot. but that's just me.

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    Consider how our scientists build computer programs to simulate outcomes such as nuclear explosions. They write the code and watch it unfold to obtain results to answer their questions. While they wrote they code they don't know how it turns out until it executes. It's a learning experience for them. Perhaps this universe works the same way and the free will we speak of is an illusion with future events being unexecuted instructions waiting to unfold. Our reality would be the simulation, the source would be the computer code, the creators the scientists.
    Hate to break it you but even if a "creator" just wrote a program it is still deterministic ergo no free will.

    That or he created the perfect random number generator, but if he did he no longer has his omnipotence, the generator does.

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    dude, every body knows that the Zionists are just, like, farming us for our blood like, uh, in that vampire movie with Ethan Hawke, or, uh, the one with the guns and latex...uh....oh, dude, the MATRIX. It's just like that, but with them using our blood for their jew rituals.

    Dude, what if the Jews......are machines?

    Holy $#@!, man. We....live in the jew Matrix.

    Like, everything all makes sense now.

    Wait, what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by linux View Post
    Hate to break it you but even if a "creator" just wrote a program it is still deterministic ergo no free will.

    That or he created the perfect random number generator, but if he did he no longer has his omnipotence, the generator does.
    I believe that is what I was saying. However, that creator could simply change the code at anytime and affect the future events. Just like our scientists can do when they tweak their models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cam4mav View Post
    never heard that type of comparison before but I like it, as a former cs student and terrible programmer, its fun to think of it like that.

    I personally just liked the idea that if there is a creator or something, it just said BOOM and let $#@! fly within a fixed set of physical and other rules. Then let the marbles fall as they do and sit back and watch, or don't and go do something else who knows.
    I have a REALLY hard time believing that something could create the vast amount of stuff out there and have the time or care to give a rats ass about what we do here on our little blue dot. but that's just me.
    I believe that we can't understand because we don't see anything outside our reality. It's like putting together a puzzle of something you could have never imagined and without having access to all the pieces.

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    A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

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    I think Christian, atheists, and Jews can unite in acknowledging that you are certifiable.

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