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    Hilary Rosen's comments on Ann Romney

    I won't call it an attack because that's just a ridiculous way to classify her comment. Is it any surprise that the Romney campaign and the GOP are falling all over themselves to act all butt-hurt and outraged by this "sexist attack"?

    Yea, it's probably insulting to stay-at-home moms everywhere for Rosen to say that about Ann Romney. For that alone this was stupid. But are we really to pretend that there's no difference between a mother who has the option and financial stability to make the choice to stay at home vs. a mother who has no choice but to go earn a living during the day to put food on the table? She said that Ann Romney shouldn't be Mittens' source/authority of the financial hardships of women and mothers in America because she hasn't walked the same walk that most women/mothers in America have walked. Does anyone really disagree with that?

    Stupid stupid stupid thing to say. Not because it was all that insulting or untrue, but because it gives the GOP an easy red-meat-anger-steak to throw to the masses who aren't all that interested in a serious discussion and just want another reason to be pissed off.

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    No, it just shows that there are stupid $#@!s without a clue, who speak before they think, on both sides of the aisle.

    This was a $#@!ing stupid thing to say, and wouldn't be a problem if the Dem talking points weren't so obsessed with focusing on a GOP "war" that isn't there.

    However in the long run, no one, including myself, really cares what some stupid $#@!tard on a cable show "thinks". Because almost none of them do.

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    Johnny M, you do have the context right.

    If you got her whole statement, it is that

    a)she shouldn't rely on his wife's opinion about the travails of working mothers, because she hasn't worked a day in her life and

    b) Romney has a $#@!ty record on hiring women at his firm.

    Given the context, it is pretty reasonable.

    $#@! the partisans of both sides who view as red meat throw away lines like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    $#@! the partisans of both sides who view as red meat throw away lines like this.
    Almost as much as the partisans who bring up red meat like this and throw this type of $#@! on the wall, hoping it sticks. This time it hit her back in her partisan, bitchass face. Heh.

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    Is this really getting a lot of play? I watch cable news a grand total of about 10 minutes a week and for some reason this was on when I was channel surfing. Seemed like a good quick point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phdhorn View Post
    Almost as much as the partisans who bring up red meat like this and throw this type of $#@! on the wall, hoping it sticks. This time it hit her back in her partisan, bitchass face. Heh.
    What is wrong with what she said, pdh?

    Romney sounds stupid when his source for Obama's war on women is his wife. -- fair point
    In the context of Romney's failure to promote women at his firm, it gives the dems ammunition to attack him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyM View Post
    Stupid stupid stupid thing to say. Not because it was all that insulting or untrue, but because it gives the GOP an easy red-meat-anger-steak to throw to the masses who aren't all that interested in a serious discussion and just want another reason to be pissed off.
    Kinda like the whole birth control hullabalew, huh? The difference being that was wholly calculated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    Is this really getting a lot of play? ...
    I have no idea WTF this thread is about, and from what I've read, that sounds like a good thing. Sounds like more MSM drama to distract from really important things.

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    Sounds like more MSM drama to distract from really important things.
    It's not MSM drama when Mittens wife joins twitter specifically for this one issue and Mittens campaign uses this as a bludgeon. It's more like GOP drama to distract from more important things. But yes, it's an insignificant event that will be blown far out of proportion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    What is wrong with what she said, pdh?

    Romney sounds stupid when his source for Obama's war on women is his wife. -- fair point
    In the context of Romney's failure to promote women at his firm, it gives the dems ammunition to attack him.
    Ann Romney "never worked a day in her life." Really? Honestly? Are you $#@!ing $#@!ting me???

    The implication that women who don't "work" for a paycheck living really don't know how American women live day to day, that women who draw paychecks and raise families are those who really count - and "work". That was beyond stupid.

    The underlying bigoted message that rich, priviliged Ann Romney was so rich she didn't "have" to work also conflicts with Rosen's contention that "paycheck working" is the only "real" work. On one hand she seems to say that "choosing" not to work is a privilege of sorts, while then saying that those who work for bucks are the "real" working women. Stupid stupid stupid. And that contradiction also completely neutralizes any assertion on some link to Romney's record with women - which, BTW I disagree has been proportionately bad. But we can tackle that elsewhere.

    By the way, at this point I have no lock on voting for Romney, so don't make that assumption.

    And, while we're at it, perhaps Rosen might want to read =this which details how the White House female staff is on average paid considerably less than male staffers. Yet no one's screaming about a Dem "war on women."

    My point is that this was just $#@! flung out there to stir up controversy. Because it's patently untrue and conflicting. Sure she has the right to fling $#@!, that's her job. But it's $#@!. And she's a dumbass. This "war" is hypocritical and doesn't exist. It's on both sides. No more, no less.

    Rosen's comments are being slammed by Jim Messina (Obama campaign manager), Axelrod, Obama himself. Of course it could easily have been planned.

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    "never worked a day in her life."
    If your examination of the quote begins and ends there, and if you have a penchant for drama, I see how you're angry.

    Listen to the comment in context. She says that Mittens wife shouldn't be Mittens source on how financial hardships affect working mothers in America. Can you really disagree with that?

    Yes, it was stupid, but not because it was untrue - it was stupid because people like soundbites more than context and like to be angry more than they like to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phdhorn View Post
    Ann Romney "never worked a day in her life." Really? Honestly? Are you $#@!ing $#@!ting me???

    The implication that women who don't "work" for a paycheck living really don't know how American women live day to day, that women who draw paychecks and raise families are those who really count - and "work". That was beyond stupid.

    The underlying bigoted message that rich, priviliged Ann Romney was so rich she didn't "have" to work also conflicts with Rosen's contention that "paycheck working" is the only "real" work. On one hand she seems to say that "choosing" not to work is a privilege of sorts, while then saying that those who work for bucks are the "real" working women. Stupid stupid stupid. And that contradiction also completely neutralizes any assertion on some link to Romney's record with women - which, BTW I disagree has been proportionately bad. But we can tackle that elsewhere.

    By the way, at this point I have no lock on voting for Romney, so don't make that assumption.

    And, while we're at it, perhaps Rosen might want to read =this which details how the White House female staff is on average paid considerably less than male staffers. Yet no one's screaming about a Dem "war on women."

    My point is that this was just $#@! flung out there to stir up controversy. Because it's patently untrue and conflicting. Sure she has the right to fling $#@!, that's her job. But it's $#@!. And she's a dumbass. This "war" is hypocritical and doesn't exist. It's on both sides. No more, no less.

    Rosen's comments are being slammed by Jim Messina (Obama campaign manager), Axelrod, Obama himself. Of course it could easily have been planned.
    She really busts her ass, I'm sure....

    WASHINGTON -- For a woman with three houses and sixteen grandkids, Ann Romney doesn't have very much help around the house, according to her 2010 tax return.
    IRS forms released Tuesday by Mitt Romney's presidential campaign show that despite reporting income of $21.7 million, the couple paid only $20,603 in taxable wages for household help in 2010. This figure was divided among four women: Rosania Costa ($4,808), Kelli Harrison ($8,667), Susan Moore ($2,238) and Valerie Cravens Anae ($4,890).
    According to a number of Boston-based domestic staffing agencies, the salary range for a housekeeper is between $20 and $30 an hour, which adds up to an annual salary of $40,000 to $50,000 based on forty-hour weeks and two weeks of paid vacation a year.
    But this number is only for one house, and the Romneys have three houses -- a 2,000 sq. ft. townhouse in Belmont, Mass., a 5,400 sq. ft. lake house on 11 acres in Wolfeboro, N.H., and a beach house in La Jolla, Calif., that is undergoing renovations to double its size.
    Even if the Romneys avoided spending time in La Jolla in 2010, they spent plenty of time in New Hampshire, with regular visits in the summer from five sons and their families.
    Yet the Romneys still paid only half of the lowest range of an average housekeeper's salary, which raises the question of who cleaned the Romney houses the other 50 percent of the time. A Romney campaign adviser declined to respond to questions from The Huffington Post about the housekeeping salaries.
    Wouldn't it be nice to learn that the Romneys split up household cleaning between them on days when the housekeeper was out? After all, Mitt Romney was "unemployed" in 2010, as he infamously reminded a group of voters in Tampa, so he had some extra time. And Mitt even knows how to do laundry, according to a photo tweeted Monday by his son Tagg Romney.
    The more worrisome alternative is that the Romneys underpaid their household help.
    The Massachusetts Coalition of Domestic Workers holds a meeting on the third Tuesday of every month to work towards passage of a statewide Bill of Rights for domestic workers, but so far their efforts have fallen short.

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    She has never had a paying job and had nannies, butlers, maids, drivers, etc... help her through the "grind" of her daily life.
    Pretty typical for "working" or "stay at home" moms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phdhorn View Post
    Ann Romney "never worked a day in her life." Really? Honestly? Are you $#@!ing $#@!ting me???

    The implication that women who don't "work" for a paycheck living really don't know how American women live day to day, that women who draw paychecks and raise families are those who really count - and "work". That was beyond stupid.

    The underlying bigoted message that rich, priviliged Ann Romney was so rich she didn't "have" to work also conflicts with Rosen's contention that "paycheck working" is the only "real" work. On one hand she seems to say that "choosing" not to work is a privilege of sorts, while then saying that those who work for bucks are the "real" working women. Stupid stupid stupid. And that contradiction also completely neutralizes any assertion on some link to Romney's record with women - which, BTW I disagree has been proportionately bad. But we can tackle that elsewhere.
    Don't be a drama queen. This is essentially the $10,000 bet issue. She is saying that Romney's wife hasn't known the hardship of of a working woman. As pointed out above, the context of the thing makes it pretty clear. Romney comes out whining about the "War on Women" and then in a 10K bet moment, pulls his wife into the mix.

    I do understand your original response to me about partisanship. I guess what I am saying is that I hate when the masses run with stuff like this. These CNN guys are there on a panel for the purposes of throwing out these bits. I thought it was an interesting point but not worthy of making a big deal out of. I guess I am just mad at the masses for not viewing news critically and focusing on dumb issues. Romney's point about Obama's underlying policies being bad for women is a GREAT point and worthy of analysis.

    By the way, at this point I have no lock on voting for Romney, so don't make that assumption.
    I'm the opposite. I will likely vote for the guy if my practical side is winning the war against my idealistic side (Paul).

    And, while we're at it, perhaps Rosen might want to read =this which details how the White House female staff is on average paid considerably less than male staffers. Yet no one's screaming about a Dem "war on women."
    Did you even see the segment? She has approximately three minutes to throw out a talking point. The issue was Romney and started out with his faulty use of stats.

    My point is that this was just $#@! flung out there to stir up controversy. Because it's patently untrue and conflicting.
    Link to something showing that what she said was untrue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdt23 View Post
    She has never had a paying job and had nannies, butlers, maids, drivers, etc... help her through the "grind" of her daily life.
    Pretty typical for "working" or "stay at home" moms.
    Actually it's not. Most stay at home moms do work hard, and the families aren't "rich". They sacrifice quite a bit to stay home and forego that second income. That clearly isn't the case with the Romneys, but it is the case with most middle-class and upper-middle class one-income families.

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    ohh the ruling class is having a spat. how exciting!

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    Ann Romney doesn't do $#@!. She knows it, we know it.

    However, Mittens can now use the "Dems think stay at home moms don't do any work?" fake outrage to the middle class.

    It's politics, don't give the other guy ammo. This fake issue will be gone by tomorrow though

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    Agree. Stupid comment.

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    This thread confuses me.

    Who the hell is Hilary Rosen and who the hell is mittens?

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    Perfect $#@!ing example of why I hate politics. The country is on the path to economic destruction and the media (and campaign strategists) want to run with $#@! like this. Just as retarded as Dems jumping all over Romney for "not caring about poor people" which, given the context, nobody should have any problem with.

    Romney should stick to blasting Obama's idiotic fiscal policy and make that THE key issue in this race - lord knows there is plenty of ammunition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judge roybeanbag View Post
    She really busts her ass, I'm sure....
    You think maybe she had some help around the house while she was going through treatments for breast cancer and MS?

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    I don't know who to side with. Rich-RIAA-$#@! Bitch vs. Rich-Entitled-Cultish Bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neonmoon44 View Post
    Ann Romney doesn't do $#@!. She knows it, we know it.

    However, Mittens can now use the "Dems think stay at home moms don't do any work?" fake outrage to the middle class.

    It's politics, don't give the other guy ammo. This fake issue will be gone by tomorrow though
    There is nothing "fake" about this - the left has a problem with stay at home moms and thinks they are lazy and backwards. Rosen's comments are a reflection of that. They are usually smart enough not to blab it on CNN like she did.

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    Since when does having grandkids count as work? Guess my grandparents aren't retired.

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    Need a little brown one in there somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantric superman View Post
    Need a little brown one in there somewhere.
    No - apparently adopted kids don't count for real mom work:


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    This whole didn't work (at a job) a day in her life is a difficult concept.

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    I'd rather the First Lady of our country not work and keep her ass out of the limelight than be an attention-whoring know it all in your face bitch like Hillary and Michelle. Besides, what does Ann Romney's work history have to do with anything? She's not running for President, her husband is. Is she not suppose to support her husband's campaign?

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    Not that you'd care Dwight, but the context makes it pretty clear why Ann's work history matters. According to Mitt, she's his source for how economic issues affect American women. Rosen merely made the point that perhaps she was not a great source for that information given her experiences. Rosen picked a really piss-poor way to say that, and now the GOP has jumped on this to declare this a "war on stay-at-home moms". Faux outrage fueled by ignorance.

    Also, anyone who believes Mitt really relies on his wife as his top source of information about how economic issues affect American women is an idiot, Rosen included. Many candidates say this kind of thing about their significant other when it comes to issues of the opposite sex, we shouldn't pretend that they are absolutely 100% serious.
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    Need a little brown one in there somewhere.
    Exactly. At first I thought it was a picture of Obama's re-election campaign staff.

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    Well, now that this story has fermented as expected into a total Rosen self-cluster $#@!, I'm about done with it, too. Only a few other comments:

    This was not a problem with "the media running with it", it's the fault of Rosen and Rosen alone. She decided in her 3-minute byte (yes I saw the clip) to be sure and delve off into the we-met-beforehand-and-want-to-hammer-home-talking-point-of-rich-Repub-wife-is-out-of-touch. Only it totally, absolutely backfired because Rosen's own prejudices came through. And they were as bigoted as anything on either side.

    Rosen was not only offensive, she was wrong. Dead wrong. No amount of her own spin could reduce it, and like the multitudes of Democrats jumping off of her Titanic ship of idiocy attested, she was an idiot who said something offensive. She's a stupid fool.

    As to the "well, she made the point $#@!fully, but the underlying context still has validity", I call equal bull$#@!. SHE started the idea that Ann Romney was too out of touch, being a rich babe, with what women in the country are thinking. How prejudiced and sweeping can one be? First of all, she lived for at least 15 years on bare-bones income, and though there was money in the family, she budgeted on a modest income, NEVER receiving any "family money". She and Mitt lived on meager resources, and for at least 20 years she learned to budget, to sew samplings of rugs together to make carpeting (Boston Globe, 1994), and do a whole host of things to learn how to manage money. Additionally, her work with charities (including several which served URBAN YOUTH not only allowed her to work budgets, but to talk to thousands of women both on and barely off welfare to know what they go through. It would be my contention that actually Ann Romney has a 200 percent better understanding of what the economic hardships and choices of women have than Hillary Rosen, who in her own right is a millionaire, and has been for at least a decade. Obviously Rosen for this reason simply echoed talking points strategized beforehand, because even she wouldn't be that stupid to call a kettle black when her "pot" was equally the same, in fact probably less experienced in economic issues.

    On the question of "work a day in her life", Rosen clearly stated it that way on CNN, and she meant it. She didn't qualify it at the time with "for pay" or "out of the home" or anything else. She had the chance. Even this morning when the firestorm erupted, her first attempt at deflection wasn't to clarify her remarks, but rather to accuse the Republicans of "trying to turn the issue away from Mitt Romney". Only when the bigwigs of her own party started slamming her for the "work a day in her life" remark did she make the feeble attempt to throw in the weakass workformoney bull$#@!.

    But - even with this - are we to believe that women who work for money are somehow more qualified to judge economic issues about women than women who work for charity and/or in the home? Really? THIS is a qualifier? I call ultra bull$#@! here. Women in the home have battled and know hard economic choices. Ann Romney both knew them firsthand as a modest means housewife for the first 15 years of her career, balancing budgets, finding ways to live off of a decent but by NO means pampered income until well into the late 1980s. And even after the money rolled in, she continued to work with charities as administrator AND case worker, coming into contact with far more poor women than Hillary Rosen, any of us, or 99 percent of the public. Yet somehow SHE'S not "qualified" to speak about womens' economic issues because she didn't get a pay stub from some company? I call bull$#@! on that. While I'll be glad to "link" to "what was wrong with what she said", since the evidence now is that 90% or more of the public (Wash. Post poll today) and almost every democrat who's spoken out think that what she said was not only inappropriate but WRONG, it would seem that the onus is on those who think she was RIGHT to "link" proving it. Good luck.

    Anyway, the story has taken the legs it should. Rosen got rightly bitchslapped down for such a bigoted piece of crapola. Good. Maybe this will die in 24 hours, maybe the GOP has gotten inroads because of it, I don't know and don't care. I do agree with those who say that this shouldn't be an issue, but the OP was started saying that while it was inappropriate, can anyone really disagree with Rosen's context? My answer is hell yes, it's wrong, inaccurate, factually flawed, and prejudiced. As wrong as wrong can be.

    And the way this is going out pretty much sews this view up. Rosen had to apologize as it was, SHE admitted she was wrong. So yeah, she was wrong.

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    It's because the Democrats started the $#@!storm with the idea that not wanting to pay for someone's contraception was the equivalent of a war on women. I don't have to remind a lot of the posters here that are poo-pooing this that they swallowed the equally lame Democratic meme hook, line and sinker and ran with that equally lame faux outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyM View Post
    Not that you'd care Dwight, but the context makes it pretty clear why Ann's work history matters. According to Mitt, she's his source for how economic issues affect American women. Rosen merely made the point that perhaps she was not a great source for that information given her experiences. Rosen picked a really piss-poor way to say that, and now the GOP has jumped on this to declare this a "war on stay-at-home moms". Faux outrage fueled by ignorance.
    No kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyM View Post
    Not that you'd care Dwight, but the context makes it pretty clear why Ann's work history matters. According to Mitt, she's his source for how economic issues affect American women.
    So what exactly was Obama's work history, and why didn't that matter?

    I more concerned about the pressing issues facing the lesbian pure-bred dog owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear lake horn View Post
    So what exactly was Obama's work history, and why didn't that matter?

    I more concerned about the pressing issues facing the lesbian pure-bred dog owner.
    It did matter, to the same segment of society that is "enraged" about the Rosen comment. The right wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorTexasFan View Post
    No - apparently adopted kids don't count for real mom work:


    https://twitter.com/#!/CatholicLeague
    good lord, this tweet is worse and way more vitrolic than anything Rosen said. So now a pro-life organization is mocking women who adopt children?

    that twitter feed is embarassing.. Who is posting those tweets.. a 15 year old?

    Wait.. did i get fooled? is this a parody twitter account?
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    surly this isn't the dems best attack ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
    I'd rather the First Lady of our country not work and keep her ass out of the limelight than be an attention-whoring know it all in your face bitch like Hillary and Michelle. Besides, what does Ann Romney's work history have to do with anything? She's not running for President, her husband is. Is she not suppose to support her husband's campaign?
    Or Nancy too right?

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    Wait.. did i get fooled? is this a parody twitter account?
    I looked at it and wondered the same thing.

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    Bill Donahue and the Catholic league need to $#@! off and die. As a Catholic, I can't $#@!ing stand them. Shut the $#@! up already you worthless pieces of trash. It's as though they took every negative thing, real or unreal or stereotypical, about Catholicism, compacted it into on great big turd, and concentrated it with nuclear technology. $#@! that trash. I don't wish death on anyone, but if I could, Donahue would be on the top of my list.

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    I'm not voting for Romney, but I think phdhorn pretty much nailed this with his last response.

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    Stupid thing to say. But lets not fool ourselves. If Ann Coulter had said something like that about someone on the left and it caused a $#@!storm, Fox News would be complaining about political correctness run amok.

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    Rosen has apologized; Obama has disavowed the views of Rosen. The so-called "war on women" will hopefully fade into the sunset as an election topic.

    We are heading at 180 mph towards a concrete wall with the federal government's spending addiction. It's time to move onto more substantive issues than whether Republicans hate women because they don't support free birth control or Democrats hate stay at home moms. Republicans do get to play the same card played by the Democrats with the Rosen bigotry.

    But now that both have dabbled in utter bullshittery, it's done. A pox on both the major parties for not addressing the real issue.


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    The term "war on women" is stupid, but it's pretty clear the old white male GOP club isn't exactly progressive on women's issues and will not be winning the female vote any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washparkhorn View Post
    Rosen has apologized; Obama has disavowed the views of Rosen. The so-called "war on women" will hopefully fade into the sunset as an election topic.

    We are heading at 180 mph towards a concrete wall with the federal government's spending addiction. It's time to move onto more substantive issues than whether Republicans hate women because they don't support free birth control or Democrats hate stay at home moms. Republicans do get to play the same card played by the Democrats with the Rosen bigotry.

    But now that both have dabbled in utter bullshittery, it's done. A pox on both the major parties for not addressing the real issue.

    Good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washparkhorn View Post
    A pox on both the major parties for not addressing the real issue.
    surprised you typed more than that. whats the point? another $#@!ing disappointment. folks here allowing their overlords to shove popcorn in the eyes. carry on regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phdhorn View Post
    Well, now that this story has fermented as expected into a total Rosen self-cluster $#@!, I'm about done with it, too. Only a few other comments:

    This was not a problem with "the media running with it", it's the fault of Rosen and Rosen alone. She decided in her 3-minute byte (yes I saw the clip) to be sure and delve off into the we-met-beforehand-and-want-to-hammer-home-talking-point-of-rich-Repub-wife-is-out-of-touch. Only it totally, absolutely backfired because Rosen's own prejudices came through. And they were as bigoted as anything on either side.

    Rosen was not only offensive, she was wrong. Dead wrong. No amount of her own spin could reduce it, and like the multitudes of Democrats jumping off of her Titanic ship of idiocy attested, she was an idiot who said something offensive. She's a stupid fool.

    As to the "well, she made the point $#@!fully, but the underlying context still has validity", I call equal bull$#@!. SHE started the idea that Ann Romney was too out of touch, being a rich babe, with what women in the country are thinking. How prejudiced and sweeping can one be? First of all, she lived for at least 15 years on bare-bones income, and though there was money in the family, she budgeted on a modest income, NEVER receiving any "family money". She and Mitt lived on meager resources, and for at least 20 years she learned to budget, to sew samplings of rugs together to make carpeting (Boston Globe, 1994), and do a whole host of things to learn how to manage money. Additionally, her work with charities (including several which served URBAN YOUTH not only allowed her to work budgets, but to talk to thousands of women both on and barely off welfare to know what they go through. It would be my contention that actually Ann Romney has a 200 percent better understanding of what the economic hardships and choices of women have than Hillary Rosen, who in her own right is a millionaire, and has been for at least a decade. Obviously Rosen for this reason simply echoed talking points strategized beforehand, because even she wouldn't be that stupid to call a kettle black when her "pot" was equally the same, in fact probably less experienced in economic issues.

    On the question of "work a day in her life", Rosen clearly stated it that way on CNN, and she meant it. She didn't qualify it at the time with "for pay" or "out of the home" or anything else. She had the chance. Even this morning when the firestorm erupted, her first attempt at deflection wasn't to clarify her remarks, but rather to accuse the Republicans of "trying to turn the issue away from Mitt Romney". Only when the bigwigs of her own party started slamming her for the "work a day in her life" remark did she make the feeble attempt to throw in the weakass workformoney bull$#@!.

    But - even with this - are we to believe that women who work for money are somehow more qualified to judge economic issues about women than women who work for charity and/or in the home? Really? THIS is a qualifier? I call ultra bull$#@! here. Women in the home have battled and know hard economic choices. Ann Romney both knew them firsthand as a modest means housewife for the first 15 years of her career, balancing budgets, finding ways to live off of a decent but by NO means pampered income until well into the late 1980s. And even after the money rolled in, she continued to work with charities as administrator AND case worker, coming into contact with far more poor women than Hillary Rosen, any of us, or 99 percent of the public. Yet somehow SHE'S not "qualified" to speak about womens' economic issues because she didn't get a pay stub from some company? I call bull$#@! on that. While I'll be glad to "link" to "what was wrong with what she said", since the evidence now is that 90% or more of the public (Wash. Post poll today) and almost every democrat who's spoken out think that what she said was not only inappropriate but WRONG, it would seem that the onus is on those who think she was RIGHT to "link" proving it. Good luck.

    Anyway, the story has taken the legs it should. Rosen got rightly bitchslapped down for such a bigoted piece of crapola. Good. Maybe this will die in 24 hours, maybe the GOP has gotten inroads because of it, I don't know and don't care. I do agree with those who say that this shouldn't be an issue, but the OP was started saying that while it was inappropriate, can anyone really disagree with Rosen's context? My answer is hell yes, it's wrong, inaccurate, factually flawed, and prejudiced. As wrong as wrong can be.

    And the way this is going out pretty much sews this view up. Rosen had to apologize as it was, SHE admitted she was wrong. So yeah, she was wrong.
    My god you have read/written a lot about something so insignificant. If anybody should argue this "issue", it should be between Rosen and Ms. Romney. Everybody else can shut the $#@! up and quit letting the Dems/Reps distract you with shiny objects. They want you to fight over this crap, so you ignore the smooth butt $#@!ing they both are giving you.

    Our only two choices for President are once again those candidates whose pockets are full of corporate/special interests dollars. With those type of candidates, "We the People" will always finish last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dog View Post
    There is nothing "fake" about this - the left has a problem with stay at home moms and thinks they are lazy and backwards. Rosen's comments are a reflection of that. They are usually smart enough not to blab it on CNN like she did.
    As someone who runs in plenty of leftist circles, I don't know a single member of 'the left' who has a problem with stay at home moms. I know plenty who have a problem with men demanding and/or expecting women to be stay at home moms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    As someone who runs in plenty of leftist circles, I don't know a single member of 'the left' who has a problem with stay at home moms. I know plenty who have a problem with men demanding and/or expecting women to be stay at home moms.
    This. There are of course some who criticize stay at home moms, but it also works the other way around. Many stay at home moms criticize working moms for putting career above family, or some $#@! like that. To each their own. I couldn't care less what other people think. My wife works part time and stays home with our kid part time. It's a perfect balance in my mind.

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    There is nothing "fake" about this - the left has a problem with stay at home moms and thinks they are lazy and backwards. Rosen's comments are a reflection of that.
    Wow talk about generalities. Purely ancedotal, but I live in a pretty liberal/left neighborhood in Austin, and most mothers with young children are stay at home moms. Pretty sure they don't consider themselves lazy and backwards. Trust me, no one is looking down on them, tsk, tsking. In the case where i live, these stay at home moms are extremely fortunate enough to have the economic means to be able to stay at home and be with their children. I am guessing, they consider it a blessing and positive thing.

    I would say a great deal of mothers (left and right alike) who work, envy those who can stay at home and spend time with their kids. Far from derision, they wish they could be stay at home moms too.

    so yeah, this whole thing is "fake". One woman representing the left position on a cable news show, says something misfortunate in a ham handed way and suddenly it gets morphed to "The Dems/Obama have a problem with stay at home moms."

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