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    Quote Originally Posted by bularry View Post
    agree with the winning percentage comments. how about yards passing per game? TD's per start? TD/INT ratio? those matter more to me than some winning percentage assigned to one of 22 starters (admittedly the most important position, but still only 1 of 22).
    The statistic I value most in QBs is yards per attempt. This stat tells you how many yards you are netting each time the ball leaves the QB's hand. It therefore accounts for completion % since an incomplete pass nets you zero yards. It also does not penalize a QB whose coach is more conservative. Yards per game do not impress me if you are throwing for 300 yards on 50 attempts. Also, TD/INT is a useless ratio. Thay have nothing to do with one another. It is better to factor INTs-per-attempt. I would say that is the next-best statistic to use after yards-per-attempt. TDs are a very overrated statistic. In systems that have good ground games, you end up with a lot of short rushing TDs that might have been set up with the passing game. It also penalizes QBs with conservative coaches.

    All that said, here are the career yards per attempt of all 38 active QBs with at least 20 starts. Vince ranks right in the middle of the pack, again demonstrating that he is indeed getting blackballed by the NFL. I also put Polian's bull$#@! grades in parentheses.

    (I treated those within the same 10th of a yard as ties. Don't have the energy to calculate it all out)

    1. Aaron Rodgers – 8.2 (A)
    2. Ben Roethlisberger – 8.0 (A)
    2. Philip Rivers – 8.0 (A)
    2. Tony Romo – 8.0
    5. Matt Schaub – 7.9
    6. Peyton Manning – 7.6
    7. Tom Brady – 7.5
    8. Drew Brees – 7.4
    9. Jay Cutler – 7.3 (A)
    10. Carson Palmer – 7.2 (A)
    10. Jake Delhomme – 7.2
    12. Mike Vick – 7.1 (B)
    12. Joe Flacco – 7.1 (A)
    14. Eli Manning – 7.0 (A)
    14. David Garrard – 7.0
    14. Matt Ryan – 7.0 (A)
    17. Donavan McNabb – 6.9
    17. Matt Hasselbeck – 6.9
    17. Vince Young – 6.9 (F)
    17. Matt Stafford – 6.9 (C)
    21. Jason Campbell – 6.8 (C)
    21. Josh Freeman – 6.8
    23. Chad Henne – 6.7
    23. Tavaris Jackson – 6.7
    25. Kyle Orton – 6.6
    25. Rex Grossman – 6.6 (D)
    25. Shaun Hill – 6.6
    25. Matt Cassel – 6.6
    25. JP Losman – 6.6 (F)
    30. Mark Sanchez – 6.5 (C)
    30. Trent Edwards – 6.5
    32. Alex Smith – 6.4 (C)
    32. Derek Anderson – 6.4
    34. Ryan Fitzpatrick – 6.3
    34. Colt McCoy – 6.3
    34. Seneca Wallace – 6.3
    37. Sam Bradford – 6.0
    38. Bruce Gradkowski – 5.7

    And this does not tell the whole story on Vince. As those of us paying attention have noted, he has made great strides as a passer since 2009. Since 2009, his YPA is 7.6, which would put him firmly in the top 10 of this list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VYFanboy View Post
    What happened in Philly?
    Not sure if serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    Except for the fact that Fisher was the whole source of the story. What a dumb$#@! you are.
    Jeff Fisher did NOT force Vince's mother to talk to the media. You have got to be kidding me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharmer View Post
    Jeff Fisher did NOT force Vince's mother to talk to the media. You have got to be kidding me.
    Fisher is the reason the police were called and the source of the rumor that VY was suicidal. He didn't force her to talk to the media, but he is the reason the whole thing got to the point where the media was questioning her in the first place.

    Vince couldn't believe the whole thing. He did not understand why the police were called and he said in an interview with ESPN that he felt undermined by the Titans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newy25 View Post
    Of course he was the source. He was, you know, the coach and his QB had just walked away from the team.
    He walked away from the team on his day off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharmer View Post
    Jeff Fisher did NOT force Vince's mother to talk to the media. You have got to be kidding me.
    Yes, the press just showed up at her doorstep because Fisher didn't say anything to them. She's a woman, what the $#@! else do they do other than run their mouths?

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    Regardless of what anyone thinks of VY as an NFL player, defending JF is pretty much inexcusable. That's not to say that VY couldn't have handled his $#@! a little better at times, but there's no way in hell that JF ($#@!ing leader of the team) could have handled the situation any worse than he did.

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    Alright this draft needs to hurry the $#@! up so VY can get on a team and start working. Him learning under Reid, even if it was for 1 season, is going to help him a lot with his new team. I know VY hasnt given up so why the hell should I. Its all a matter of time now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Biggums View Post
    Alright this draft needs to hurry the $#@! up so VY can get on a team and start working. Him learning under Reid, even if it was for 1 season, is going to help him a lot with his new team. I know VY hasnt given up so why the hell should I. Its all a matter of time now..
    I posted months ago that Cleveland makes the most sense for this reason. If there was ever a place where tutoring under Reid would pay dividends, it would be there.

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    Yeah for Vince...another team with $#@! for receivers...Holy hell...

    One thing about it...if he won there, it would erase ALL DOUBT!
    Last edited by slorch; 04-26-2012 at 06:02 PM.

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    I think we'll see some movement on VY after this weekend. It's a weak QB draft and there are a lot of teams that need backups/competition for their starters. Surely he can get a try out with someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmost View Post
    I think we'll see some movement on VY after this weekend. It's a weak QB draft and there are a lot of teams that need backups/competition for their starters. Surely he can get a try out with someone.
    how dare you say that with RYAN TANNEHILL, the future HOF QB of the dolphins in this draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newy25 View Post
    Not sure if serious?
    Seriously, what happened in Philly?

    -"Dream Team?"
    -He confirmed he still owns the Super Bowl Champion Giants. That happened in Tennessee too, so that can't be it.
    -He threw 400+ yards against the Patriots and was a couple of DeSean Jackson dropped TDs from a one possession game, around a 60% completion percentage, 3 touchdown passes, 450+ yards passing, and a QB rating around 100. One of those dropped touchdowns hit DeSean in the numbers, then the hands, then the ground.
    -He did suck against Seattle. Is this "what happened in Philly?" There's no excusing his 1st 4 INT game of his career, but try to find an NFL starter without at least a few of these. He sucked, but it happens to everyone. Peyton Manning once threw 6 in a game and threw 4 in an AFC Championship game.
    -By all accounts he worked hard, studied hard, quickly picked up a complex offense, stayed out of trouble, and was well liked by Andy Reid. If you believe VY, Andy Reid sees him as a starting QB somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggie08 View Post
    Unless it's something you don't personally agree with. Then it's "$#@! you you $#@!ity $#@! $#@!. sheep $#@! $#@!er $#@!ing $#@!. $#@!ing deserve to get your ass kicked $#@!ing $#@!er mc$#@!. $#@!." My opinions on VY certainly aren't any more asinine than some of yours on Rick Barnes, yet here we are.

    Good talk.
    Really? And just what are these asinine opinions of Rick Barnes. i would just LOVE for you to link me to me to even one of them from this season. Just one. That's all. After all, my claim that VY was not an "F" was extreme homerism to the point you cant even root for VY. Im just dying to see what you think my opinion of Rick Barnes is. That, or you can just keep changing the subject and dodging the fact that the holes in your argument are deeper than the Mariana Trench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VYFanboy View Post
    Seriously, what happened in Philly?

    -"Dream Team?"
    -He confirmed he still owns the Super Bowl Champion Giants. That happened in Tennessee too, so that can't be it.
    -He threw 400+ yards against the Patriots and was a couple of DeSean Jackson dropped TDs from a one possession game, around a 60% completion percentage, 3 touchdown passes, 450+ yards passing, and a QB rating around 100. One of those dropped touchdowns hit DeSean in the numbers, then the hands, then the ground.
    -He did suck against Seattle. Is this "what happened in Philly?" There's no excusing his 1st 4 INT game of his career, but try to find an NFL starter without at least a few of these. He sucked, but it happens to everyone. Peyton Manning once threw 6 in a game and threw 4 in an AFC Championship game.
    -By all accounts he worked hard, studied hard, quickly picked up a complex offense, stayed out of trouble, and was well liked by Andy Reid. If you believe VY, Andy Reid sees him as a starting QB somewhere.
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    At least Gruden was quoted on Sportscenter tonight naming VY as one of the top B12 QBs in the league. Some people still know what's up.

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    So I think VY needs to go to Jacksonville. I'd trust him to get Blackmon the ball much more so than Blaine "Bernard" Gabbert. FU if I used that wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pistol Pete's Mustache View Post
    So I think VY needs to go to Jacksonville. I'd trust him to get Blackmon the ball much more so than Blaine "Bernard" Gabbert. FU if I used that wrong.
    yup. as soon as they drafted him I said damn VY needs to go there, gabbert is garbage. MJD, Marcedes lewis, blackmon. Holla!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atllonghorn View Post
    David Carr: 23-56 record, 59.7 comp pct, 65 TD, 71 INT, 74.9 rating
    Brady Quinn: 3-9 record , 52.1 comp pct, 10 TD, 9 INT, 66.8 rating
    Matt Leinart: 8-10 record , 57.6 comp pct, 15 TD, 20 INT, 71.6 rating
    Vince Young: 31-19 record, 57.9 com pct, 46 TD, 51 INT, 74.4 rating

    To say David Carr has had a better career than Vince Young is embarrassing. To say Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart have had better careers than Vince Young is just mind-numbingly stupid.
    Considering what each had around them, I'd say Carr did more with less. Not his fault he got picked to an expansion team. I have no idea why you put records on there when that is a team accomplisment. No one single player plays on all 3 phases of the game like they do in other sports, so it's irrelevant. Besides, the best season the Titans had while Vince was there when he was benched in favor of Kerry Crybaby Collins.

    Oh and what's even funnier is people on here bash Tebow for his production, but at least he's thrown more tds than ints in his career, has won a playoff game, and has a higher Qb rating than Vince. You can get mad, you can neg rep me, but these are indisputable facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VYFanboy View Post
    Seriously, what happened in Philly?

    -"Dream Team?"
    -He confirmed he still owns the Super Bowl Champion Giants. That happened in Tennessee too, so that can't be it.
    -He threw 400+ yards against the Patriots and was a couple of DeSean Jackson dropped TDs from a one possession game, around a 60% completion percentage, 3 touchdown passes, 450+ yards passing, and a QB rating around 100. One of those dropped touchdowns hit DeSean in the numbers, then the hands, then the ground.
    -He did suck against Seattle. Is this "what happened in Philly?" There's no excusing his 1st 4 INT game of his career, but try to find an NFL starter without at least a few of these. He sucked, but it happens to everyone. Peyton Manning once threw 6 in a game and threw 4 in an AFC Championship game.
    -By all accounts he worked hard, studied hard, quickly picked up a complex offense, stayed out of trouble, and was well liked by Andy Reid. If you believe VY, Andy Reid sees him as a starting QB somewhere.
    He played poorly and was cut by the team.

    Other than that, things went perfectly for Vince in Philly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas_Rocks View Post
    Regardless of what anyone thinks of VY as an NFL player, defending JF is pretty much inexcusable. That's not to say that VY couldn't have handled his $#@! a little better at times, but there's no way in hell that JF ($#@!ing leader of the team) could have handled the situation any worse than he did.

    Jeff Fisher, football genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newy25 View Post
    He played poorly and was cut by the team.

    Other than that, things went perfectly for Vince in Philly.
    He wasn't cut, they just decided to not to resign him.

    Other than being completely wrong, you were right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newy25 View Post
    He played poorly and was cut by the team.

    Other than that, things went perfectly for Vince in Philly.

    Rational, objective thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGarnetLantern View Post
    You can get mad, you can neg rep me, but these are indisputable facts.
    Since you insist.

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    Turning thread to speculation: VY to Arizona. Many of us wanted it last year.

    I think it's a distinct possibility he goes there after the draft. Of course, I think that largely because I want that to happen. Let's give him some of those weapons and see what he can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formermav43 View Post
    He wasn't cut, they just decided to not to resign him.

    Other than being completely wrong, you were right.
    Big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisApplewhite View Post
    Big difference.
    Yeah, I know. I was just in a mood to pick nits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester View Post
    Turning thread to speculation: VY to Arizona. Many of us wanted it last year.

    I think it's a distinct possibility he goes there after the draft. Of course, I think that largely because I want that to happen. Let's give him some of those weapons and see what he can do.
    I'm surprised it wasn't posted on here, but he was in Phoenix last week with Selvin Young. He posted a pic on Twitter. They spoke to a gathering, and supposedly they also tried out for the Cardinals but this has yet to be verified.

    AZ would absolutely be the best spot for Vince. It is the most wide-open QB position available. VY would make serious noise next year if he lands there.

    Next-best spots would be Kansas City, Jacksonville, and Tampa Bay. Vikings or Raiders wouldn't be bad either.
    Last edited by borna_horn; 04-27-2012 at 09:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    I'm surprised it wasn't posted on here, but he was in Phoenix last week with Selvin Young. He posted a pic on Twitter. They spoke to a gathering, and supposedly they also tried out for the Cardinals but this has yet to be verified.

    AZ would absolutely be the best spot for Vince. It is the most wide-open QB position available. VY would make serious noise next year if he lands there.

    Next-best spots would be Kansas City, Jacksonville, and Tampa Bay. Vikings or Raiders wouldn't be bad either.
    After last night, I'd like to Jax. Gabbert and Henne suck and now they have Blackmon, Robinson, MJD, and Lewis as weapons.....

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    If he goes to JAX Houston will melt down again.

    I think he signs with the Red Skins as a back up to RGIII. This will of course cause Dallas to melt down....but it makes a ton of sense. RGIII looks awesome, but is a complete wildcard. His style of play could make him an injury risk and if you want offensive continuity, VY would be a good fit. Plus Kyle knows him to an extent.

    The opportunities are getting smaller. I think he could start for AZ today....but who knows how AZ feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formermav43 View Post
    He wasn't cut, they just decided to not to resign him.
    Exactly. It wasn't because they didn't feel he wasn't cutting it, it was because Andy Reid felt he should be a starter in the league and didn't want to hold him back from starting elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantHorns View Post
    Exactly. It wasn't because they didn't feel he wasn't cutting it, it was because Andy Reid felt he should be a starter in the league and didn't want to hold him back from starting elsewhere.
    If they felt VY wasn't cutting it and that Kafka was a better option, then VY wouldn't have started those three games and thrown as much as he did. This just doesn't make sense.

    It also doesn't make sense that Andy Reid would want to lose a valued backup QB to serve the best interests of a player's career.

    What does make sense is that Andy Reid sees that VY will have better options than backing up Vick and essentially, Philly can no longer afford VY.

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    For best chance at starting, it will have to be Arizona, Jacksonville, or Tampa Bay. Thats about it.

    If he goes anywhere else, he will be a backup most likely and his career as a NFL starter will be over, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VYFanboy View Post

    What does make sense is that Andy Reid sees that VY will have better options than backing up Vick and essentially, Philly can no longer afford VY.
    Exactly, there is no way the Eagles would want to get involved in the current bidding war going on for VY's services. With all of these teams willing to pay him starter money the Eagles need to think about cap space and settle for a lesser guy for less money. Pos rep coming your way .. oh wait.

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    VY is still my hero. $#@! Jeff Fisher. And his mustache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenspointexas View Post
    For best chance at starting, it will have to be Arizona, Jacksonville, or Tampa Bay. Thats about it.

    If he goes anywhere else, he will be a backup most likely and his career as a NFL starter will be over, imo.
    No way does he start in TB. As much as Gabbert blows, its equally unlikely in JAX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamiltonian View Post
    At least Gruden was quoted on Sportscenter tonight naming VY as one of the top B12 QBs in the league. Some people still know what's up.
    Unfortunately, he said it in the context of Big 12 QBs that have not performed on the NFL level.

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    It's really beyond belief to me that some of these QBs in the NFL still have jobs while Vince is waiting for a phone call from an organization. I knew he was going to have to wait until after the draft to see how everything worked out, but still...

    There has to be book potential somewhere because I can only imagine there's a good chunk of people that want to know and understand what is going on that people aren't calling Vince Young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantHorns View Post
    Exactly, there is no way the Eagles would want to get involved in the current bidding war going on for VY's services. With all of these teams willing to pay him starter money the Eagles need to think about cap space and settle for a lesser guy for less money. Pos rep coming your way .. oh wait.
    $#@! you. Your $#@! got tiresome a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Pete View Post
    $#@! you. Your $#@! got tiresome a long time ago.
    Yep, reality can get tiresome at times.

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    It is almost to the point where I think Vince needs to sign on with a Canadian team or with that UFL, get the best QB coach he can, and win somebody a championship.

    It is as if the NFL/media expects a penance of some kind. It is bull$#@!, but it makes me sick that VY has to wait and grovel for a backup position. Part of his unquantifiable greatness is his leadership ability. He needs a coach who lets him lead in the locker room. He has not had that in the NFL. Fisher undermined him and Vick was the undisputed #1 in Philly.

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    ^^^kill yourself

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    Please don't believe in conspiracies, it makes people think you are a nut.

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    because "conspiracy' is just a word for something fake, like "unicorn.". right, idiot?
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    VY till I die. $#@! the haters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    The statistic I value most in QBs is yards per attempt. This stat tells you how many yards you are netting each time the ball leaves the QB's hand. It therefore accounts for completion % since an incomplete pass nets you zero yards. It also does not penalize a QB whose coach is more conservative. Yards per game do not impress me if you are throwing for 300 yards on 50 attempts. Also, TD/INT is a useless ratio. Thay have nothing to do with one another. It is better to factor INTs-per-attempt. I would say that is the next-best statistic to use after yards-per-attempt. TDs are a very overrated statistic. In systems that have good ground games, you end up with a lot of short rushing TDs that might have been set up with the passing game. It also penalizes QBs with conservative coaches.

    All that said, here are the career yards per attempt of all 38 active QBs with at least 20 starts. Vince ranks right in the middle of the pack, again demonstrating that he is indeed getting blackballed by the NFL. I also put Polian's bull$#@! grades in parentheses.

    (I treated those within the same 10th of a yard as ties. Don't have the energy to calculate it all out)

    1. Aaron Rodgers – 8.2 (A)
    2. Ben Roethlisberger – 8.0 (A)
    2. Philip Rivers – 8.0 (A)
    2. Tony Romo – 8.0
    5. Matt Schaub – 7.9
    6. Peyton Manning – 7.6
    7. Tom Brady – 7.5
    8. Drew Brees – 7.4
    9. Jay Cutler – 7.3 (A)
    10. Carson Palmer – 7.2 (A)
    10. Jake Delhomme – 7.2
    12. Mike Vick – 7.1 (B)
    12. Joe Flacco – 7.1 (A)
    14. Eli Manning – 7.0 (A)
    14. David Garrard – 7.0
    14. Matt Ryan – 7.0 (A)
    17. Donavan McNabb – 6.9
    17. Matt Hasselbeck – 6.9
    17. Vince Young – 6.9 (F)
    17. Matt Stafford – 6.9 (C)
    21. Jason Campbell – 6.8 (C)
    21. Josh Freeman – 6.8
    23. Chad Henne – 6.7
    23. Tavaris Jackson – 6.7
    25. Kyle Orton – 6.6
    25. Rex Grossman – 6.6 (D)
    25. Shaun Hill – 6.6
    25. Matt Cassel – 6.6
    25. JP Losman – 6.6 (F)
    30. Mark Sanchez – 6.5 (C)
    30. Trent Edwards – 6.5
    32. Alex Smith – 6.4 (C)
    32. Derek Anderson – 6.4
    34. Ryan Fitzpatrick – 6.3
    34. Colt McCoy – 6.3
    34. Seneca Wallace – 6.3
    37. Sam Bradford – 6.0
    38. Bruce Gradkowski – 5.7

    And this does not tell the whole story on Vince. As those of us paying attention have noted, he has made great strides as a passer since 2009. Since 2009, his YPA is 7.6, which would put him firmly in the top 10 of this list.

    First, yes I am an unabashed VY homer, but I gotta say, this is pretty damn solid and hard to argue with. And $#@! the haters.

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    It gets even better for Vince if you just look at the past 3 seasons:

    Yards per attempt, 2009-11 (minimum 20 starts)

    1. Aaron Rodgers – 8.5632
    2. Philip Rivers – 8.4450
    3. Ben Roethlisberger – 8.2429
    4. Tom Brady – 8.1133
    5. Matt Schaub – 8.0408
    6. Tony Romo – 7.9938
    7. Mike Vick – 7.9295
    8. Drew Brees – 7.9191
    9. Eli Manning – 7.9145
    10. Vince Young – 7.5614
    11. Donovan McNabb – 7.4286
    12. Peyton Manning – 7.3141
    13. Jason Campbell – 7.1678
    14. Kyle Orton – 7.1363
    15. Jay Cutler – 7.1168
    16. Carson Palmer – 7.1138
    17. Joe Flacco – 7.0882
    18. David Garrard – 7.0226
    19. Matt Stafford – 6.9014
    20. Matt Ryan – 6.7997
    21. Alex Smith – 6.7852
    22. Josh Freeman – 6.7665
    23. Chad Henne – 6.6923
    24. Ryan Fitzpatrick – 6.6726
    25. Matt Hasselbeck – 6.6214
    26. Mark Sanchez – 6.5127
    27. Matt Cassel – 6.3969
    28. Colt McCoy – 6.2905
    29. Sam Bradford – 5.9937
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