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    If people want to know whether Jeff Fisher is still mad at VY, the should only have to remember that Jeff did not receive a paycheck last year. Bud gave the excuse of nepotism, but, in my opinion, he fired Jeff because of the Titans' record when VY did not start and because Jeff never prioritized team success over his own ego. I have no idea why Polian said what he did. People are ugly. Some like to tweak others to see them get upset. Some like to judge others on factors that are immaterial. Some are so in love with themselves that they hold others to rediculous standards. Some play politics regardless of whether their position is right. Ben deserved worse than what he got. Kobe deserved worse than what he got. Mike deserved what he got. Fisher deserved worse than what he got. VY does not deserve to be treated worse than any starter in the NFL. Come on: Ponder, Gabbert, Freeman, Bradford, Sanchez, whoever Cleveland thinks is their starter, whoever Miami thinks is their starter, whoever Buffalo thinks is their starter, etc.

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    ^^^ While I think Vince has the talents to be a NFL starter, the NFL doesn't owe him or any other player a damn thing. VY did some incredible things for us here, but that doesn't have any bearing on his professional career. What you do in college is basically your resume for the Pros. Once you're in the door, the slate is wiped clean and it doesn't matter what you did in college, only what you do in there here and now. Let's not forget that 2 of the top 5 quarterbacks in NFL history have been shown the door by franchises they took to Super Bowls. If Peyton and Montana can get the boot, then Vince can too.

    That said, I hope he has a late 20's emergence Steve Young style.

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    Just in: $#@!ing Matt Leinart is going to the Raiders.

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    The best news is that KC and AZ both have yet to get their QB in the draft or through FA.

    These are the best spots for VY right now. Lets hope they dont take anyone in the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurrry View Post
    The best news is that KC and AZ both have yet to get their QB in the draft or through FA.

    These are the best spots for VY right now. Lets hope they dont take anyone in the draft.
    Vince and Jamaal in the same backfield is one of the few things that could get me to watch the NFL again regularly.

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    Jesus, did fisher $#@!ing blackball Vince? What the $#@!. How can anyone think Matt leinert is a better qb than Vince?

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    I am very concerned about Vince's future. He has the talent to be an NFL QB, but he also has games where he screws the pooch like the Eagles game against the Seahawks. I hope he finds a job. He is a super talented QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerDSS View Post
    I am very concerned about Vince's future. He has the talent to be an NFL QB, but he also has games where he screws the pooch like the Eagles game against the Seahawks. I hope he finds a job. He is a super talented QB.
    When was the last time he had a game like the Seattle game? Only one I can think of is Pittsburgh in 2010, and he wasn't even allowed to try and bring them back in that one. Otherwise he has been consistently good since returning as a starter in 2009.

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    It was the first 4 INT game of his career.

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    Romo has five losses a season that are directly attribitable to his mistakes and yet Dallas still trots him out there.
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    Clearly, the NFL's perception of VY matches that of Bill Polian's perception of VY and that is that he was a below average QB who won games because he had a good running game and a great defense. Whether that is true or not doesn't matter, it's the belief the league has and at this point in his career, I don't know what VY could do to change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Quick View Post
    Clearly, the NFL's perception of VY matches that of Bill Polian's perception of VY and that is that he was a below average QB who won games because he had a good running game and a great defense. Whether that is true or not doesn't matter, it's the belief the league has and at this point in his career, I don't know what VY could do to change it.
    So they believe his 20-11 record in 2006, 2009 and 2010 with the 32nd, 28th, and 26th-ranked defenses were due to great defense. Not to mention that the team was 2-15 in games he didn't start in those 3 seasons. Same running game, same defense, different quarterback.

    So you're telling me NFL GMs are stupid.

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    NFL GMs think VY is stupid.

    Let's just keep it real. Is he too unintelligent to play football? Clearly not. However, VY's not a sharp knife. He's not. Is he smarter than Bradshaw was? Probably. However, this isn't the late 70s / early 80s, where there were a few QBs who weren't that bright. If Jeff Fisher told (and showed) anything, it's that VY is immature and doesn't handle adversity in the manner of an intelligent adult - something you expect from your QB.

    He'll get a job, though.

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    there's not a GM in the league that wouldn't give VY a job if they thought he was the best choice to help him win and keep his job. Not one. You have to be a special brand of retarded $#@!ing idiot to think there is any "Jeff Fisher" blackballing going on.

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    The VY-haters are the ones lacking intelligence, and I say that in all sincerity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hookem48 View Post
    there's not a GM in the league that wouldn't give VY a job if they thought he was the best choice to help him win and keep his job. Not one. You have to be a special brand of retarded $#@!ing idiot to think there is any "Jeff Fisher" blackballing going on.
    I assume you're talking to me, since I'm the one who used that term, all though I was clearly not being serious (I don't doubt that fisher has bad mouthed Vince every chance he's had though). I said that to demonstrate how ridiculous it is that Matt $#@!ing leinert got a job before VY. If its all about winning, then why does Matt leinert have a job? Or any other qb who has won less than Vince?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hookem48 View Post
    there's not a GM in the league that wouldn't give VY a job if they thought he was the best choice to help him win and keep his job. Not one. You have to be a special brand of retarded $#@!ing idiot to think there is any "Jeff Fisher" blackballing going on.
    While I believe that Fisher did not create a relationship or environment conducive to VY long term success at Tennessee I agree that is as far as it goes with him. What you see now is typical NFL group think regarding VY. The trouble at this point is that while NFL group-think when taken down to specific players and situations can at times be found to be full of holes in general it works and it works extremely well (ie this is currently the far far and away most successful sports league) so nobody is usually going to buck that trend to hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierHorn View Post
    NFL GMs think VY is stupid.

    Let's just keep it real. Is he too unintelligent to play football? Clearly not. However, VY's not a sharp knife. He's not. Is he smarter than Bradshaw was? Probably. However, this isn't the late 70s / early 80s, where there were a few QBs who weren't that bright. If Jeff Fisher told (and showed) anything, it's that VY is immature and doesn't handle adversity in the manner of an intelligent adult - something you expect from your QB.

    He'll get a job, though.
    You're only saying that because you don't like black people.

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    In the aftermath of the VY-Fisher locker room faceoff, there was a concerted effort to slam VY in the media because Fisher wanted Bud Adams to cut him at season's end. He was building a case.

    I'll give you one example: All over the media, on ESPN, NFL Network, etc., you heard a stat being trotted out that Vince was 30-17 as a starter but only 13-14 against teams that finished the season with a winning record. You heard this getting repeated everywhere, even by local radio hosts in Austin.

    Never mind the fact that I have NEVER heard a QB's win-loss record scrutinized in such a way, more importantly it was actually uncovered by one of our VY-supporting brethren that this stat was misleading and essentially BOGUS. The truth is only 4 NFL QBs had winning records against teams that finished .500 or better and only 3 had an even record. VY's 13-14 record actually was the 10th-best in the NFL. Far from being a knock on him, it actually made the case FOR him even stronger.

    The question is who went back and dug up this bogus stat, and how did it get so widespread in the media?

    I have a guess. Fisher wanted vindication for his support of Collins over VY. He was embarassed by the way the team turned around in 2009 once Adams forced him to switch to VY. One of his arguments was that VY took over during the "easy" part of the schedule. So he directed one of his underlings to look up the stats on VY's record vs winning teams and disseminate it to the media. Blowhard underling does so and either didn't care to check where the 13-14 record stood in comparison to others or didn't care to.

    Why else was it done? Who had an interest in de-legitimizing VY's winning record? Only one person I can think of, and that's the guy who staked his reputation on VY not being able to get it done.
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    Take a step back and look at VY objectively and tell me again why teams should line up for him. Since 2006, VY's teams have averaged just 21.5 ppg and VY has had just 9 games scoring 30 or more points and only 2 scoring 40 or more. You can throw out his record all you want, but in today's game, 21.5 ppg simply is not going to get it done and it's not going to have GM's lining up to sign you.

    Yards are for suckers and points are for winners and if you're not scoring points at an almost pinball type pace, your teams are not going to win. 9 of the 12 playoff teams in 2011 finished in the top-12 scoring offenses (Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Denver were the only ones who didn't) and 10 of the 12 teams scored 21.5 or more points per game, which would mean that unless the Tennessee defense plays lights out each week, they are going to struggle to do better than 8-8.

    Does this mean VY should have been graded an F? No. And for $#@! sure he shouldn't have been graded lower than Leinart, Carr, Grossman and Brady Quinn. But to continue to maintain this belief that VY is some diamond in the rough if only he could get on the right team is equally wrong. His numbers simply do not back that belief up.

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    Personally, I find every excuse I can to blame myself when things don't go my way. Back when I was in school, If I was studying 2 hours a day for a certain class, and it led to B's, then I was going to allocate more time to that subject until I saw the desired results.

    Even if the teacher was checking concepts that weren't covered by the text, I always held myself accountable for MY results. I am the one that will suffer for my failure, so I should be the one going out of my way to ensure success.

    Obviously a football TEAM's success is achieved differently from academic success, but those core principles cross over.

    Tim Tebow is a ridiculously bad QB in the prototypical sense, his coach didn't want him, the entire organization didn't want him, but he was able to overcome those difficulties to lead his team into the playoffs, and beat a perennial power in the opening round. Then, his team goes out of its way to ship him out of town to be a backup elsewhere. This is also a guy whose work ethic has never been questioned, works on his throwing motion regularly, etc. The guy gets dissed from all angles on a regular basis, but he keeps his spirits up, keeps his head down and keeps working.
    ESPN has made me dislike all things Tebow, but I still respect him for the way he has handled all the BS in his professional career.

    There is no question that from a pure football standpoint, VY should be higher than the grade given to him by the recently fired GM Bill Polian on ESPN, but it should do nothing but motivate VY to put in even more time to improve himself as a player and person in the eyes of those that make the decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    So they believe his 20-11 record in 2006, 2009 and 2010 with the 32nd, 28th, and 26th-ranked defenses were due to great defense. Not to mention that the team was 2-15 in games he didn't start in those 3 seasons. Same running game, same defense, different quarterback.

    So you're telling me NFL GMs are stupid.


    If its not this, then how else do you explain him not getting signed on with a team, yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Quick View Post
    Take a step back and look at VY objectively and tell me again why teams should line up for him. Since 2006, VY's teams have averaged just 21.5 ppg and VY has had just 9 games scoring 30 or more points and only 2 scoring 40 or more. You can throw out his record all you want, but in today's game, 21.5 ppg simply is not going to get it done and it's not going to have GM's lining up to sign you.

    Yards are for suckers and points are for winners and if you're not scoring points at an almost pinball type pace, your teams are not going to win. 9 of the 12 playoff teams in 2011 finished in the top-12 scoring offenses (Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Denver were the only ones who didn't) and 10 of the 12 teams scored 21.5 or more points per game, which would mean that unless the Tennessee defense plays lights out each week, they are going to struggle to do better than 8-8.

    Does this mean VY should have been graded an F? No. And for $#@! sure he shouldn't have been graded lower than Leinart, Carr, Grossman and Brady Quinn. But to continue to maintain this belief that VY is some diamond in the rough if only he could get on the right team is equally wrong. His numbers simply do not back that belief up.
    Fisher was an ultra-conservative, defensive-minded coach who became even moreso when VY was in the game because he did not want VY to succeed. I already posted above how VY's yards per attempt ranked very high in the league. The problem is Fisher limited him to the lowest number of attempts in the league. Then when Collins came in he would suddenly call for more passing. Throughout this time, VY maintained better passer ratings than Collins and a much better winning record. It is AMAZING what VY achieved in Tennessee despite all he had going against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    Personally, I find every excuse I can to blame myself when things don't go my way. Back when I was in school, If I was studying 2 hours a day for a certain class, and it led to B's, then I was going to allocate more time to that subject until I saw the desired results.

    Even if the teacher was checking concepts that weren't covered by the text, I always held myself accountable for MY results. I am the one that will suffer for my failure, so I should be the one going out of my way to ensure success.

    Obviously a football TEAM's success is achieved differently from academic success, but those core principles cross over.

    Tim Tebow is a ridiculously bad QB in the prototypical sense, his coach didn't want him, the entire organization didn't want him, but he was able to overcome those difficulties to lead his team into the playoffs, and beat a perennial power in the opening round. Then, his team goes out of its way to ship him out of town to be a backup elsewhere. This is also a guy whose work ethic has never been questioned, works on his throwing motion regularly, etc. The guy gets dissed from all angles on a regular basis, but he keeps his spirits up, keeps his head down and keeps working.
    ESPN has made me dislike all things Tebow, but I still respect him for the way he has handled all the BS in his professional career.

    There is no question that from a pure football standpoint, VY should be higher than the grade given to him by the recently fired GM Bill Polian on ESPN, but it should do nothing but motivate VY to put in even more time to improve himself as a player and person in the eyes of those that make the decisions.
    Tebow and Vince have some of the same problems. They don't win in a conventional way. After the Jets win, the cameras showed Elway up in his luxury suite and he looked like a mafia boss that just found out his heroin shipment got busted. Elway and Fox were praying for Tebow to crash and burn, and were furious when it didn't happen. Fisher wanted to dump Young, and every win made him madder.
    On top of that, Vince didn't help himself. Nobody wants a flakey quarterback. You can deal with it at receiver or linebacker, but not at QB. Vince has a reputation as a flake cause of the disappearing thing and the run in with the OU guy at the bar.
    Don't know why the NFL did a full year CPR job on Mike Vick's reputation, but they won't do it with Vince. If he can latch on with the Cards or Chiefs, he'll get a shot. Otherwise, he might have to do a Warren Moon or Rick Williams and hit the CFL until some team gets down to zero quarterbacks and is desperate.

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    How does Vince not win in a conventional way? Once again, a stupid generalization and the reason I say VY-haters are lacking in intelligence.

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    How does Vince not win in a conventional way? Once again, a stupid generalization and the reason I say VY-haters are lacking in intelligence.
    Cause he doesn't. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/previe...ory?id=2140962 Vince became successful when the Horns quit trying to make him a prototypical QB and let him do what he does, which is to extend plays and wait for the backside defense to break down. Playing this type of game requires extreme athletic ability, and teams don't like it because (1) It leads to more injuries for the QB, (2) It's practically impossible to find a backup who can play the same type of game (offensive continuity) and (3) Coaches are control freaks that want the play run exactly like it's designed. The Horns let him play his game. Fisher, by God, wanted a guy that would run the play EXACTLY as designed. Kerry Collins would. Vince wouldn't. Why else would you start a guy with half the talent who's already over the hill?

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    Why the $#@! are you going back to college to make the argument that VY can't run a conventional NFL offense, you stupid $#@!? He has already proven that he can win in the NFL and do it with his arm.

    Again, the VY-haters are idiots. I wonder what they would get on the Wonderlic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    Just in: $#@!ing Matt Leinart is going to the Raiders.
    $#@! me. Zombie Al strikes again!!

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    Just in: Blake Gideon has a team (Arizona) and Vince does not. We have officially gotten to the point of insanity.

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    Why the $#@! are you going back to college to make the argument that VY can't run a conventional NFL offense, you stupid $#@!? He has already proven that he can win in the NFL and do it with his arm.

    Again, the VY-haters are idiots. I wonder what they would get on the Wonderlic.
    Maybe I'm not being clear. I like Vince. I want him to be successful. However, Vince is a different kind of QB, and a lot of teams are leery of taking a chance on a different kind of QB. They want Brady or Manning, cause that's what all the "cool" GMs want. I don't hate Vince, but I do recognize that he plays the position differently from what's in vogue now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Kimball View Post
    Maybe I'm not being clear. I like Vince. I want him to be successful. However, Vince is a different kind of QB, and a lot of teams are leery of taking a chance on a different kind of QB. They want Brady or Manning, cause that's what all the "cool" GMs want. I don't hate Vince, but I do recognize that he plays the position differently from what's in vogue now.
    I think Borna is about to note that VY's passing has been good his last 16 or so starts. As far as talent goes, How is being a good passer with mobility different in a bad way? With the exception of two games, Pittsburgh and Seattle, in the past 2 years VY has been what you want: a good passer who extends plays with his legs. Sounds like a horrible option.

    Borna, please rip him a new $#@! with the stats, I gotta go change a diaper.

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    Perception is everything, no matter how wrong it is, no matter what excuse you come up with. NFL teams have gone out on a limb for players with bigger issues in the past, and no one coach or GM is going to have the power to blackball one player from the rest of the league if said player has what it takes to win. Period. The are too many teams without a legit QB, and there are enough teams with GMs who have an alternative approach to building their staff for this to happen.

    The clock is ticking on VY, outside of his college supporters no one is going to remember his NFL career based on the excuses listed here. That is not stupidity of the game, that is the simple reality of how the world works. He's not the first quarterback who clashed with their coach, he's not the first to get run out of town. Adapt and overcome, or just fade away.

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    I think Borna is about to note that VY's passing has been good his last 16 or so starts. As far as talent goes, How is being a good passer with mobility different in a bad way? With the exception of two games, Pittsburgh and Seattle, in the past 2 years VY has been what you want: a good passer who extends plays with his legs. Sounds like a horrible option.

    Borna, please rip him a new $#@! with the stats, I gotta go change a diaper.
    Vince had a 60.8 passer rating with the Eagles. That's below Curtis Painter, Blaine Gabbert, Rex Grossman and Josh Freeman.

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    He only started three $#@!ing games, idiot. Since 2009, he's got a QB rating of 83.7, and his QBR rating is top 10 in the league.
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    Jesus Tittyfuckin Christ
    This makes me laugh every single time.

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    Y'all don't worry 'bout this idiot Polian. Somebody's gonna need a QB, and someone out there will recognize the opportunity VY presents. He'll get another opportunity to light $#@! up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HNH View Post
    Perception is everything, no matter how wrong it is, no matter what excuse you come up with. NFL teams have gone out on a limb for players with bigger issues in the past, and no one coach or GM is going to have the power to blackball one player from the rest of the league if said player has what it takes to win. Period. The are too many teams without a legit QB, and there are enough teams with GMs who have an alternative approach to building their staff for this to happen.

    The clock is ticking on VY, outside of his college supporters no one is going to remember his NFL career based on the excuses listed here. That is not stupidity of the game, that is the simple reality of how the world works. He's not the first quarterback who clashed with their coach, he's not the first to get run out of town. Adapt and overcome, or just fade away.
    Seriously walk yourself( not you specifically) through this introspective discussion with your GM hat on:

    Why is the holy $#@! would I sign Matt Leinart before Vince Young, if my biggest responsibility is to get players that can make plays?

    someone's smokin banana peels, IMHO

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    Personally, while it might not be necessary, I'd be just fine with Vince going to the CFL and absolutely wrecking shop for two years. I thought we were past the whole "black QB has to prove himself in Canada" thing with Warren Moon but $#@! it, I just want to see the guy on the field, in charge, doing what he can do, absolutely dominating. And right now the lockstep NFL GM mentality seems to be, "I'm not going to be the one who trusts my team to that idiot, did you hear what Fisher said about him? He's unstable".

    Let him go North, once again prove what a great leader and teammate he is, and then come back here and win a Super Bowl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoooTex View Post
    Personally, while it might not be necessary, I'd be just fine with Vince going to the CFL and absolutely wrecking shop for two years. I thought we were past the whole "black QB has to prove himself in Canada" thing with Warren Moon but $#@! it, I just want to see the guy on the field, in charge, doing what he can do, absolutely dominating. And right now the lockstep NFL GM mentality seems to be, "I'm not going to be the one who trusts my team to that idiot, did you hear what Fisher said about him? He's unstable".

    Let him go North, once again prove what a great leader and teammate he is, and then come back here and win a Super Bowl.
    Regrettably, I agree. $#@!ing Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart can get signed because they fit the profile of the white-bread QB, despite their $#@!ty resumes. The only coach in the NFL who seems to respect Vince is Andy Reid. Who knows, maybe down the road they'll meet up again.

    But yes, I would rather see Vince playing somewhere, anywhere, then sitting behind some $#@!head on the bench. If anything, it would prove that VY has not given up. Didn't Ricky play in Canada for a while?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    But yes, I would rather see Vince playing somewhere, anywhere, then sitting behind some $#@!head on the bench. If anything, it would prove that VY has not given up. Didn't Ricky play in Canada for a while?
    Ricky did play in CFL briefly.

    It would arguably also be better for Vince to be playing, even under different rules and slightly different offenses, than sitting "learning" an NFL offense as a backup and taking 2nd string reps in practice. He still has room to develop; I think he'll do that faster on the field than the bench. He certainly did at Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    Regrettably, I agree. $#@!ing Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart can get signed because they fit the profile of the white-bread QB, despite their $#@!ty resumes. The only coach in the NFL who seems to respect Vince is Andy Reid. Who knows, maybe down the road they'll meet up again.

    But yes, I would rather see Vince playing somewhere, anywhere, then sitting behind some $#@!head on the bench. If anything, it would prove that VY has not given up. Didn't Ricky play in Canada for a while?
    Argonauts in 06. Didn't have a great year, had some injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly Bevo View Post
    While I believe that Fisher did not create a relationship or environment conducive to VY long term success at Tennessee I agree that is as far as it goes with him. What you see now is typical NFL group think regarding VY. The trouble at this point is that while NFL group-think when taken down to specific players and situations can at times be found to be full of holes in general it works and it works extremely well (ie this is currently the far far and away most successful sports league) so nobody is usually going to buck that trend to hard.
    This. $#@!in' this. This nails it, and really nothing more needs to be said.

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    Vince hasn't been signed because he doesn't project as a backup in any nfl offense. Teams design offense around starter and try to find backups who can adequately replicate it. VY can get away with being unconventional as a starter, he cannot as a backup, which is why Philly worked well for him. So, if Andy Reid has cutting him loose hurts much more than anything Jeff Fisher said or did.

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    How was he unconventional? You are oblivious to the question of whether this is a lazy generalization or something backed by truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    You are oblivious to the question of whether this is a lazy generalization or something backed by truth.
    To be fair, Kid Quick is oblivious to pretty much everything.

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    In a bit of delicious irony, there are already the seeds of controversy in Washington. Their pick of Kirk Cousins in Round 4 makes them the first team since 1989 to draft 2 QBs in the first four rounds. Cousins could not be more different from RGIII, so it has all the earmarks of insurance if RGIII doesn't pan out.

    Remember in 2006 how Fisher brought in Kerry Collins as the anti-VY? And Shanny just happens to be the closest to Fisher of probably any coach in the NFL. Coincidence? Maybe so, maybe not.

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    Do many of you watch the NFL? How is VY unconventional? He doesn't throw for many yards or TDs! Welcome to the modern NFL where Tarvaris Jackson throws for 3,000 yards and watches Seattle sign Matt Flynn. VY has never breathed on 3,000 yards.

    Listen, I realize those two nights in Pasadena were special and the 2005 team means the world to us, but this is the NFL and VY's numbers do not approach that of what is being asked from today's QBs. To expect GMs to line up for him is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borna_horn View Post
    In a bit of delicious irony, there are already the seeds of controversy in Washington. Their pick of Kirk Cousins in Round 4 makes them the first team since 1989 to draft 2 QBs in the first four rounds. Cousins could not be more different from RGIII, so it has all the earmarks of insurance if RGIII doesn't pan out.

    Remember in 2006 how Fisher brought in Kerry Collins as the anti-VY? And Shanny just happens to be the closest to Fisher of probably any coach in the NFL. Coincidence? Maybe so, maybe not.
    Washington had Rex Grossman and John Beck as backup quarterbacks, they needed to improve their situation at QB. Cousins was projected as a 2nd to 3rd round pick and was still dangling around in the 4th round so drafting him wasn't all that bad of an idea despite having other needs to address. This way Washington can use Grossman as a backup for another season or two until Cousins shows he is ready to assume to the role and hopefully have 2 solid quarterbacks instead of a ball of $#@! like they had last season. I don't believe drafting Cousins has any relation to Shanny attempting to $#@! over or undermine RG3, there was a player projected to be drafted fairly early in the draft still available in the 4th, Washington recognized it and realized Grossman and Beck were absolute trash and wanted to purge their roster of that trash ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad View Post
    Washington had Rex Grossman and John Beck as backup quarterbacks, they needed to improve their situation at QB. Cousins was projected as a 2nd to 3rd round pick and was still dangling around in the 4th round so drafting him wasn't all that bad of an idea despite having other needs to address. This way Washington can use Grossman as a backup for another season or two until Cousins shows he is ready to assume to the role and hopefully have 2 solid quarterbacks instead of a ball of $#@! like they had last season. I don't believe drafting Cousins has any relation to Shanny attempting to $#@! over or undermine RG3, there was a player projected to be drafted fairly early in the draft still available in the 4th, Washington recognized it and realized Grossman and Beck were absolute trash and wanted to purge their roster of that trash ASAP.
    This. Washington taking Cousins was a great pick. He's a steal at that round, and RGIII's style is prone to injury. Not to mention the complete change in leadership.

    I actually might dare to be excited this year about Washington's offense, or at least within the next 2-3 years. After over a decade of salty defenses with absolute $#@! at offense, this might turn the corner.

    There is no controversy whatsoever in Washington. Most locals are giving this the thumbs up. Everyone knows, and I mean everyone, that RG3 is the next starting QB in Washington, and immediately. The notion that Cousins might be "ticked off" because he was drafted only to be a backup? Well $#@!, welcome to the NFL. No one save for a top 10 pick shuffles right into the starting lineup. And if they do they're eating their own ass after 3-4 games of punishment. Cousins has got a great deal... he can learn from a proven QB developer and if he gets 2-3 years in the league, look for a trade. Meantime he'll learn a pro system the way it's always done - with a set of headphones and a clipboard.

    While the two QB's are a little unconventional, in this situation it's a great match. There is no controversy at all. Zip. Zilch.

    Oh, and Shanny has one other thing that Fisher don't - well, make that 2 - 2 rings.

    For once I'm in the tank with Washington's offensive picks.

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