polian is trolling the OP bad... he wins because of your outrage.
polian is trolling the OP bad... he wins because of your outrage.
So Palmer gets an A for going 50-56 but VY gets an F for going 31-19?
Sorry, but racist GM is racist.
Last edited by borna_horn; 04-23-2012 at 05:39 PM.
I will say this- I'd love to see VY on a team with some WRs that can catch.
let's blow this bitch up and dump McGee and sign VY to back up Romo. he'd damn near be guaranteed a couple starts in 2012.
Last edited by slorch; 04-23-2012 at 05:59 PM.
furk ESPN. they've been wrong about VY since the 05 Rose Bowl...Poliack stiil think USC was the better team
Bill Polian built two of the greatest franchises in league history.
Doesn't mean he's always right, but he's far from an idiot.
Didn't you dad ever tell you not to get upset about things you have no control over?
Beyond the VY thing, that list is very very curious. I disagree seriously with almost every single placement on that list. It takes a LOT of work to be that wrong.
And you profession is?
palmer @ 1 is worse than leinart, quinn, carr and grossman getting d's
That's some dumbass, trolling $#@! right there.
P.S. David Mothergoddamned$#@! Carr? With a straight face?!
Jamaal Charles just tweeted the video, and now a bunch of his followers have done the same.
Buncha $#@!in' bull$#@!...
All I wanna see is VY get on a team with an OC/HC that will let Vince Be Vince!
No way is Vince a 'F' but he should be rated no higher than a 'C'.
The Bills fired him after 3 Superbowls. He was doing something wrong or in reality he played only a small part in assembling the bills. As far as the Colts go, have you even bothered to watch the colts over the last 10 years or so? Only team worse than the Cowboys at drafting total $#@!.
I think last years debacle showed that Payton Manning is the ENTIRE team and the sole reason that anyone on that team performs worth a $#@!.
Reggie Wayne had and 8 year lows in receptions and 10 year low in TDs, Dallas Clark had fewer receptions and TDs despite playing half the games he did prior. Austin Collie had fewer receptions than the year before despite playing in twice as many games.
Last edited by Silky Johnson; 04-23-2012 at 08:53 PM.
That's $#@!ing retarded, the bad thing is since this comes from bill polian, people will quote it truth.
I love me some VY and went to both Rose Bowls but man, the dudes pro career has been the suck, has not slammed or gone hard.
Agreed with everything Derka has said. $#@! Bill Polian and ESPN.
You really have to wonder why Vince ended up on Fishers $#@! list FOREVER. I understand the maturity issues, but come on. Half the NFL has issues, maybe different ones, but still issues. The fact the guy could not recover from it surprises me. Hell I thought his play in Philly prior to his injury was great. Fisher really must have friends in the NFL that will side with him.
Fisher ruined the NFL for me. Somebody, please write an investigative book about the NFL head coach from USC who put his own petty $#@! above the job he was being paid to do, the franchise and the city of Nashville.
It is amazing that Vince did as well as he's done.
There are two facts about this:
(1) VY is not an F NFL QB, and should be ranked higher than a lot of players on that list.
(2) That video is embarassing for Longhorns fans.
Lighten up, Francis, and speak for yourself. I'm not remotely embarrassed by Derka's video. Derka's hairdo, now that's another story...
When Vince is really done with the NFL, he and his people will be able to speak freely about this whole situation. If they choose to do so, that should be interesting.
In his attempts to be a team-guy and a leader, and now to get signed, VY hasn't been able to say anything negative about anybody or to tell the truth as he sees it. He just has to sit there and listen to all these people talk $#@! and watch this $#@!ty Fisher play the media. It must be maddening, biting your tongue like that. That is the kind of crap that will cause a proud man to get angry and do $#@! like throw his shoulder pads.
Damn, imagine a redux with Derka rapping.
Last edited by mulletpelini; 04-24-2012 at 11:54 AM. Reason: hints the laughter ensuing
Look, the position of QB in the NFL requires one thing more than any other -- trust. If you are a QB that cannot be trusted, then you are done.
Freaking Roethlisberger had 2 super bowls under his belt and the Steelers came very close to parting ways with his ass after the motorcycle accident and the trip to a Georgia bar men's room. I think that shows you what kind of priority NFL owners place on the level of trust in their QB.
Vince has been dealt some crappy hands, but it's not like he's completely blameless. Those shenanigans after the knee injury were just ridiculous. Blown out of proportion? Yes. But it's up the man himself to put a stop to that $#@!.
I don't know for sure but it just smells like a situation where VY does not surround himself with the right people. I don't mean his friends, I mean his professional agents/PR people/etc. The right people who understand how this game works and can get the spin control working in his favor. The right people who will keep him out of some garbage Dallas shake joint in the middle of the night where nothing good can happen. Hell, people like that can make Mike Vick a sympathetic figure, they are magicians.
Again, in that Onyx Club situation...was it entirely VYs fault? No, but if that exact same thing happened to Tony Romo, the entire Metroplex would be lined up ready to completely run his ass out of town.
Hell, some people around here will never forgive Tony Romo for going to Cabo with his GF, or for wearing his freaking hat backwards on the sideline.
Vince needs to learn that's life in the NFL as a QB. And he needs to take it like a man. That pouting bull$#@! on the sideline after his INTs in Seattle showed me a QB that I would never, ever trust with my billion dollar NFL franchise.
Makes me sad to say it, because it's inexplicable how a guy who could rise above everything in college seems to let every pebble run him off the road.
Last edited by TornACL; 04-24-2012 at 11:56 AM.
This was an email I sent to 104.9 five days before the locker room blowup between VY and Fisher:
So what's the real story on VY?
because this story posted just today paints an entirely different picture than the NFL Network story.
Fisher claimed that the Austin weekend visit was approved by him and was not an issue. VY is having his best year as a pro. He ranks 5th in passing efficiency. He is 12-5 since taking over the starter's role last season. What in the world was that joker from the NFL Network talking about on your show this morning? And who is feeding these people their stories?
It just seems VY is making strides on the field that people are trying to take away from him off the field. Even the suicide story from 2008 sounded fishy to me. Why was that story leaked if all it was was VY's mom being worried about him? Was it a pretence for benching VY the rest of the season?
And this is the article I linked, from 11/16/10:
Young Taking Next Steps in NFL Career
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The internal connection between a quarterback and receivers allows the quarterback’s eyes to read the defense, the external factor that determines the best place to go with the football.
Such a connection requires communication and timing and is forged one repetition at a time. It’s worth exceeds every drop of sweat equity.
Vince Young has developed such connections with Titans receivers, allowing the fifth-year pro to maximize pass attempts and lift his passer rating to a career high 97.6. Young’s previous best passer rating for a season was 82.8 in 12 games (10 starts) in 2009.
Young is on pace for fewer passing attempts and yardage than in any previous season as Tennessee’s starting quarterback, but his yards per attempt (7.8), touchdown percentage (7.1) and interception percentage (2.1) have improved.
“It’s all in the process of growing up,” Young said during a recent interview. “That’s basically it. Growing up, more reps, and getting more familiar with the offense, knowing where your guys are at, and then you get to really focus in on the defense.”
The Titans are 30-16 in regular season games started by Young, who said he’s constantly trying to refine his craft. He said the opportunity to play with former Texas Longhorns teammates tight end Bo Scaife and fullback Ahmard Hall in each of his five pro seasons and safety Michael Griffin in the past four seasons has helped his development and enabled him to build on already strong relationships.
“It’s been a nice little journey for him, ups and downs,” Scaife said. “I think he’s finally coming into his own and reached a comfort level where he’s able to just go out there and play and doesn’t have to worry about certain things. Each year we’ve seen improvement. He has high expectations for himself, just like the people in the franchise. He has a lot of pressure on him, but I think he welcomes it and handles it well.”
Griffin also said that Young’s confidence this season has been high.
“That’s one of those things that might not have been there a while back,” Griffin said. “He started where he left off last year in the last 10 games of the season. A lot of the younger guys are stepping up. You can see a lot of people are keying in on (running back) Chris Johnson , which is giving (Young) the ability to make plays with his arm and his feet also.”
Young has battled through a knee sprain and ankle sprain he suffered Oct. 18 at Jacksonville. The injuries caused him to miss most of the game against the Jaguars and all of the game against Philadelphia. Young aggravated the ankle sprain at San Diego on Oct. 31 and left in the fourth quarter of that game. He returned to play just over half of last week’s game at Miami, filling in for an injured Kerry Collins (calf).
Griffin said the team has noticed Young putting in extra work in the training room, weight room and film room this season.
“He’s a winner, a leader,” Griffin said. “He’s trying to get better, staying after practice, watching film. He’s doing all the things you need to do to be a better quarterback. On the field, you see his decision-making is a lot better, his accuracy is there. He’s trying to be more of a passer than a runner. He’s doing everything he has to do to become a better quarterback in this league.”
Reading through the full progression requires patience, especially for mobile quarterbacks who have a history of making plays with their feet, as Young did on the game-winning touchdown run in the 2006 Rose Bowl to win a national title at Texas.
The Titans drafted Young with the No. 3 pick three months later. Young was 22 when Tennessee drafted him. He received mentorship from another No. 3 pick, the late Steve McNair, who was a cornerstone of the Oilers/Titans franchise from his drafting in 1995 through the 2005 season.
Young has done multiple outreach programs for underprivileged youth through his foundation, www.thevincentyoungfoundation.com, since 2006. He also started a fundraising campaign to benefit Middle Tennessee flood victims from this past May.
His latest personal venture is Vince Young Steakhouse, an upscale, fine dining restaurant in Austin, Texas. Young said it is important to build solid foundational relationships when investing in a business. The restaurant had its grand opening during the Titans bye weekend.
“The grand opening was a blessing, beautiful,” Young said. Young still values the relationship he shared with McNair, who tragically died on July 4, 2009, at age 36. The protege said the following thoughts were some things he learned from McNair and would like to pass it on to younger players.
“Be strong and everything is going to be alright,” Young said. “Don’t quit. You’ve got different levels that you’ve got to take on. It all doesn’t happen as fast as you want. I know you want to be in the NFL now. You want that car, that jewelry that you see on TV. In order to have these types of things, you have to be very patient. You have to go to school and take care of your responsibilities. Build that brain, be humble and be patient.”
Last edited by borna_horn; 04-24-2012 at 12:05 PM.
The NFL is just a good ole boy network and they're going to back each other up no matter what. They decided long ago that Vince was not going to succeed and Polian is just toeing the company line. It's ridiculous and frustrating. No way he's been an F. Just another one of the many reasons I don't give two $#@!s about the NFL.
inexplicable? exactly. and nobody ever asks how a coach can $#@! up a when a sure thing is dropped in his lap....because it's inexplicable how a guy who could rise above everything in college seems to let every pebble run him off the road.
Vince had a head coach who's top priority was telling Bud Adams "I told you so." That is more than a pebble in the road. Especially to a rookie. It is insane what fisher and his front office did. Public speculation about suicide? That is just unbelievable. With the exception of that Dallas nightclub I'm still waiting to see the first video of Vince doing or saying anything inappropriate.
Fisher is a crafty, sophisticated mfkr. He knows how to run a press conference and win folks over. He's smart, and he reached sacred cow status. He wasn't going to let Adams get away with picking his QB. He $#@!ed up Vince's career and I suspect he's still doing it to some extent.
wow. thanks for (re)posting that. here you have merrill hodge talking about how Fisher was representing Vince to the media (Hodge).Here is Merrill Hoge in 2008 telling the pre-draft story. Pretty disgusting, and especially illuminating to know of their friendship.
Behind the scenes Fisher and his front office was telling the media that Vince sucked and would never amount to anything. That's unprecedented as far as I know. That really is sabotage.
Any chance I'll see Jeff Fisher get a little $#@!ing credit for VY's W-L record on Shaggy before the world ends? Sure, Fisher clearly wasn't a VY fan, but he also ran an NFL system perhaps best suited for VY to succeed in: simple passing offense, slow the clock down, run the ball, have a defense capable of overcoming the offense's turnovers, keep the game close so VY can come through with a big first down run or TD in the 4th like he's known to do. You can't just plug VY in a pass heavy attack...he turns the ball over enough as is. Fisher-ball benefitted VY whether you want to believe it or not.
If you look at VY's point totals in games he both started in finished, it reads off like a bunch of crappy Blackjack hands (no racist). Maybe if he weren't on the Titans, some of those W's would have been L's. You CANNOT win consistently in this league anymore if you can't routinely crack 24 points.
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