you be trillin (ongoing hip-hop/rap thread)

[Derka Derka]

I'm trying to figure out why derka thinks Nas, Jay-Z, Bone Thugs, Eminem, Biggie, Snoop, Dre, OutKast, Goodie Mob, Geto Boys, UGK, etc, never rapped about weed, booze, bitches, college, getting $#@!ed up, selling crack, shooting people with guns, sipping lean.

Go read the last sentence of my last post.

[Fillmore Slim]

Can't $#@! with ASAP until he pays homage correctly.

"I'm Texas trill, Texas trill, but in NY we spit it slow"


What the $#@! is that?

[Apple Jack]

This is the one that's gonna put him over the top, or it least it $#@!ing should.


Also like this guy

[Apple Jack]

The video and the story telling style of the lyrics of that Danny Brown song reminds me a lot of What's Up Fatlip from like 2000:



Quality $#@!ing sucks, even though it looks like it's on the label's channel.

[thrillhouse]

Go read the last sentence of my last post.

pretty much all of your posts in this thread are you yelling "you wiley young rappers get off my lawn" in some way or another. like you have this really flawed view of rap. . mixtapes have been around since hip hop started they just get more exposure now because of the internet. sure mixtapes may dilute a rappers output but only because of sheer numbers. you can't say that they aren't trying to perfect their craft because they're putting out mixtapes. i mean thats the whole reason they exist in the first place

[thrillhouse]

plus all those rappers you mention who dont put out mixtapes don't release them because they're big names. mixtapes don't exist out of pure ego or just serve as a way for a rapper to get better at their craft, they're as a promotional tool to get their names out there. i mean even kanye put out mixtapes man.

[EddieMoney]

FOR THE DEFENDERS OF OLD SCHOOL RAP, I FINALLY GET IT

I went and saw this award winning documentary Ice T put out that finally had a national release yesterday called 'The Art of Rap'
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_art_of_rap/

Here's what I finally get; it's an art form NOT just a form of entertainment. This explains a lot of the butt hurtedness of many real artists and their fans, they can't stand how much attention (and fame/money) a lot of these no talent ass clowns get these days.

What they fail to understand though is that great artistic rap does NOT always equal entertaining rap, and conversely entertaining rap does NOT mean it is great artistically.

This fact will NEVER be reconciled, therefore rappers have to be evaluated on many levels and why these debates end up being a series of circular arguments

[Derka Derka]

"I'm Texas trill, Texas trill, but in NY we spit it slow"


What the $#@! is that?

First verse of LIVE.LOVE.ASAP says, "influenced by Houston hear it in my music." Literally seconds into the album.

[Derka Derka]

pretty much all of your posts in this thread are you yelling "you wiley young rappers get off my lawn" in some way or another. like you have this really flawed view of rap. . mixtapes have been around since hip hop started they just get more exposure now because of the internet. sure mixtapes may dilute a rappers output but only because of sheer numbers. you can't say that they aren't trying to perfect their craft because they're putting out mixtapes. i mean thats the whole reason they exist in the first place

So then its your contention that its more likely for a rapper to put out great music by constantly making as many songs as possible, as opposed to dedicating two or three years if his life to perfecting 15-17 songs? Ok. Id contend that's an idiotic opinion, and point to the acclaim of my aforementioned artists as it compares to todays mixtape monsters as my defense.

[Derka Derka]

plus all those rappers you mention who dont put out mixtapes don't release them because they're big names. mixtapes don't exist out of pure ego or just serve as a way for a rapper to get better at their craft, they're as a promotional tool to get their names out there. i mean even kanye put out mixtapes man.

In 1993 when OutKast was a nobody, they didn't make any mixtapes. Neither did bone thugs. Neither did Jay Z or Nas. Kast got signed after making Players Ball for a Christmas album. OutKast got their big break after LA Reid had watched their hustle, watched them perform, and finally gave them a chance. These dudes got their chance by taking part in a $#@!ing Christmas album for LaFace Records, not by dropping 70 songs a year and pimping them through social media sites who are all too eager to pump their $#@! due to the site clicks they get.

Basically, I take from this entire thread that youre not even old enough to drink and have no $#@!ing clue what you're talking about.

[Derka Derka]

plus all those rappers you mention who dont put out mixtapes don't release them because they're big names. mixtapes don't exist out of pure ego or just serve as a way for a rapper to get better at their craft, they're as a promotional tool to get their names out there. i mean even kanye put out mixtapes man.

And oh wow, Kanye, really? You mean as far back as 2004 people made mixtapes? No wai? Thanks for proving my point.

[Hornmatic]

FOR THE DEFENDERS OF OLD SCHOOL RAP, I FINALLY GET IT

I went and saw this award winning documentary Ice T put out that finally had a national release yesterday called 'The Art of Rap'
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_art_of_rap/

Here's what I finally get; it's an art form NOT just a form of entertainment. This explains a lot of the butt hurtedness of many real artists and their fans, they can't stand how much attention (and fame/money) a lot of these no talent ass clowns get these days.

What they fail to understand though is that great artistic rap does NOT always equal entertaining rap, and conversely entertaining rap does NOT mean it is great artistically.

This fact will NEVER be reconciled, therefore rappers have to be evaluated on many levels and why these debates end up being a series of circular arguments

For those that think Hov' fingers bling bling'n
Either haven't heard the album or they don't know english
They only know what the single is, and singled that out
to be the meaning of what he is about
And bein I'm about my business, not minglin much
runnin my mouth, that $#@! kept lingerin
But no dummy, that's the $#@! I'm sprinklin
The album width to keep the registers ringin

or more precisely...

I dumb down for my audience, double my dollars
Get criticized for it, but they all yell ‘holla’

[EsTyne]

Mmnmnmmmmm

[thrillhouse]

breaking news: dumb guy says dumb things on the internet about a genre and culture he doesn't fully understand

[Derka Derka]

breaking news: dumb guy says dumb things on the internet about a genre and culture he doesn't fully understand

Self deprication is unnecessary, but I'm glad you've come to your senses.

[thrillhouse]

you're way outta your depth son, i ghost wrote decoded

[CutTheCrackJack]

FOR THE DEFENDERS OF OLD SCHOOL RAP, I FINALLY GET IT


This fact will NEVER be reconciled, therefore rappers have to be evaluated on many levels and why these debates end up being a series of circular arguments

I think this is probably the most correct analysis. At the end of the day, though I (and most others) believe Derka's position to be glaringly flawed, it is not something that is going to turn on a dime and be able to be changed by a few internet posts.

[thrillhouse]

starts @ :40

[EddieMoney]

I love Meek Mill. I was late on him in that I only started paying attention to him last summer on the MMG "Self Made" (which was solid by the way) but I've really enjoyed what he's been putting out.

It is a shame that on the Drake Club Paradise Tour he had to go on so early as lots of folks missed him and he was way better than $#@!ing J Cole. God I hate J Cole

[neverwenttoUT]

"I'm Texas trill, Texas trill, but in NY we spit it slow"


What the $#@! is that?

Heard this..

First verse of LIVE.LOVE.ASAP says, "influenced by Houston hear it in my music." Literally seconds into the album.

And heard that. Doesn't change my point though.

Purple Swag Htown All Stars was a step in the right direction though. But the Purple Swag song shouldn't have had an official release without a Houston artist on it though.

I know I would rather listen to an artist mixtape before their actual album. Artist normally have 100% creative control of their mixtape. Artist normally have 0-50% control over their official album. Without mixtapes we would have missed a lot of great music from a number of artist. Mixtapes are a good thing.

[Derka Derka]

I think this is probably the most correct analysis. At the end of the day, though I (and most others) believe Derka's position to be glaringly flawed, it is not something that is going to turn on a dime and be able to be changed by a few internet posts.

I think I'm a pretty smart guy, and I completely fail to see what's glaringly flawed about the premise that taking one's time on his craft tends to yield better results than rushing everything for the sake of quantity and relevance. Maybe I'm just as smart as I think I am though.

[The Moral Compass]

[thrillhouse]

can't let this irony go unsaid any longer but i love how one of derka's favorite recent albums is a mixtape.

[Derka Derka]

can't let this irony go unsaid any longer but i love how one of derka's favorite recent albums is a mixtape.

and what did I say about J.Cole? that he hasn't proven to be a mainstay. And to expound on an earlier point, I truly don't believe you're beyond your teenage years. You speak as if every opinion of yours is fact, when faced with opposition you rarely try and provide and sort of real opinion or info, instead just telling others their opinion doesnt count, and you display a pretty ridiculous lack of reading comprehension with this perceived "irony" you've discovered but left unsaid. I spoke about how I really dont $#@! with any new rappers, but that J Cole's FNL was one of the few pieces of work by a newer rapper that I really did enjoy. I gave him credit, while still being able to abhor the fact that most rappers these days focus on quantity over quality. Lil Wayne is the worst offender. If that $#@! spent 2 years dedicating his time to ONE album, while doing no other personal musical ventures and only straying for guest appearances, he could probably drop one of the greatest albums of all time. Instead, arguably the most talented rapper in the game today makes a bunch of mixtapes every year so that he can make more money. The game has changed, big time, and for the worse. And the proof is in the pudding.

Rap going mainstream, along with the internet and it's music downlaoding/sharing capabilities have watered down the genre in a major way. In the 90's you had to depend on record sales to make money, especially with the way all of these young black dudes were getting boned by the Jews running the record companies. So many awful record deals signed in the 90's. Anyway, in the 90's you didn't have every white girl from middle-upper class America aged 11 and up buying rap albums, and having rap as their favorite music. So in the 90's, you had a much smaller market of people who were actually gonna give your $#@! the time of day if you didnt bring it the way Pac, Bone, Biggie, Nas, etc brought it. Now you can rap like a retarded kid on benzos and have a following full of people who "relate" to you. You used to HAVE to be good to be a really popular/successful rapper. That $#@! ended years ago though.

[thrillhouse]

well the one I was talking about is actually A$AP's so i just ignored the rest of that post after i read j cole.

[Derka Derka]

well the one I was talking about is actually A$AP's so i just ignored the rest of that post after i read j cole.

Thanks for strengthening the sentence you would have read had you kept going:

And to expound on an earlier point, I truly don't believe you're beyond your teenage years. You speak as if every opinion of yours is fact, when faced with opposition you rarely try and provide and sort of real opinion or info, instead just telling others their opinion doesnt count, and you display a pretty ridiculous lack of reading comprehension with this perceived "irony" you've discovered but left unsaid.

replace J Cole and FNL with ASAP Rock and LLA, and the entire post still stands. And this is what I'm talking about. You think you caught some sort of irony in what I've said, when the reality is that your lack of reading comprehension has come back to bite you in this ass. You said it was ironic that one of my favorite recent albums was a mixtape (completely missing the point, which you would have realized had you kept reading), and instead of taking the time to read my post like an adult, you come back with the exact sort of juvenile retort I accuse of you in my post. All the while, you still don't get that there's nothing ironic at all about liking 2 mixtapes while disliking the takeover of mixtapes over albums.

So anyway, how was prom this year? Did you get laid?

[thrillhouse]

this $#@! keeps going in circles im done with it.



crazy verse from kendrick at the end of this one. i like this maybach music.

[Derka Derka]

If you're actually done acting like a juvenile know-it-all then thank God.

[CutTheCrackJack]

I think I'm a pretty smart guy, and I completely fail to see what's glaringly flawed about the premise that taking one's time on his craft tends to yield better results than rushing everything for the sake of quantity and relevance. Maybe I'm just as smart as I think I am though.

I can appreciate and agree with what you are simply stating above. I am speaking about your position, however, that the above is the only meritorious way "good" music is made and that, because the above process is rare to extinct now-a-days (your position which I am not nearly informed enough to agree or disagree either way), new rap sucks.

Ultimately it is a personal and emotional opinion on what you value in "art" and that's where I was coming from when I said that at the end of the day, I see your position as too firmly couched in emotion, perspective and taste that "arguing" about it on a messageboard isnt going to be productive. IMO, this is further proven, to me at least, with you and thrillhouse who have taken a musical disagreement (or two) personal and have taken to name calling and derision, for some reason.

[thrillhouse]

tuffest lady going at it right now. love how she's hooking up with british bass music producers too.

[Derka Derka]

I can appreciate and agree with what you are simply stating above. I am speaking about your position, however, that the above is the only meritorious way "good" music is made and that, because the above process is rare to extinct now-a-days (your position which I am not nearly informed enough to agree or disagree either way), new rap sucks.

Ultimately it is a personal and emotional opinion on what you value in "art" and that's where I was coming from when I said that at the end of the day, I see your position as too firmly couched in emotion, perspective and taste that "arguing" about it on a messageboard isnt going to be productive. IMO, this is further proven, to me at least, with you and thrillhouse who have taken a musical disagreement (or two) personal and have taken to name calling and derision, for some reason.

That reason is that trillhouse came out from the jump with a $#@!ty, know-it-all attitude which has persisted throughout the thread. when faced with any sort if opposing view, he simply states that whoever is opposing is dumb, and not worth his time, instead of participating in any sort of discussion, like the rest of us. I really hope for his sake that he is a 17 year old kid, because he acts like one.

[thrillhouse]

i mean i'd say you came with the $#@!ty attitude first, unprovoked, but whatever dude.

[EddieMoney]

Soulja Boy *I think* has a pretty successful record label. The aforementioned Bleu Davincie and Chief Keef is on it, at the very least....

Actually it appears that Chief Keef just ended a bunch of speculation and signed to Interscope to work with Dr. Dre.

A very interesting move. It speaks volumes that Dre wants to work with him but I think he is too raw and if he is bound for success it isn't going to be as an artist but more of a persona. Being young, reppin Chicago, being wild etc etc....

I thought Young Money would have been a no brainer for him, follow in Wayne's footsteps who was signed really young AND have a bunch of artists you can work with and be on one another's $#@!. Oh well, will be interesting to see how his career unfolds.

FWIW if you are a 'hot' unsigned artist right now and just want money I can't see signing with anyone other than MMG or YMCMB because of the buzz you generate with that affiliation

[EddieMoney]

Also, as Derka pointed out earlier, in the big picture the labels don't care who you sign with because it all flows downhill to one of four rich as $#@! jewish guys.

I love how all these "self made" gangstas like Dre, Birdman, Ross, etc etc etc claim to own labels and $#@!. You don't own $#@!. If the old white jew who owns the distribution channel decided to sit on your $#@!, not a damn thing you could do about it. iTunes ain't making the checks out to Rick Ross, $#@! gets skimmed a few times before he gets it.

[Derka Derka]

i mean i'd say you came with the $#@!ty attitude first, unprovoked, but whatever dude.

Are you $#@!ing kidding me? You told me my opinion didn't count after one post and then reitirated it with your next post you delusional $#@!.

[Derka Derka]

oh $#@! didn't even see this ignorant ass post. obviously really shouldn't even talk about rap today if you can't see the value of kendrick and his connection b/w any of the guys you mention in this post.

This was your first post to me, and you talk $#@! to me for dissing Kendrick Lamar, a person I had literally never even heard of when I made that post. Again, with the insane lack of reading comprehension. And you think I started some $#@!. That's rich.

[thrillhouse]

i mean you posted some incredibly inflammatory $#@! in that post i called ignorant and i mean it totally is an ignorant post.

[Derka Derka]

i mean you posted some incredibly inflammatory $#@! in that post i called ignorant and i mean it totally is an ignorant post.

Inflammatory towards who? Waka Flocka Flame? That you Flocka? If it is, I'd kike to recommend checking out Rosetta Stone: English language. You make Tim Tebow sound eloquent.

[thrillhouse]

[Hornmatic]

Actually it appears that Chief Keef just ended a bunch of speculation and signed to Interscope to work with Dr. Dre.

If Dre is producing the album I think it's safe to say it won't see the light of day.

Also, as Derka pointed out earlier, in the big picture the labels don't care who you sign with because it all flows downhill to one of four rich as $#@! jewish guys.

Real talk. Everybody pretty much knows Jimmy Iovine runs this rap $#@!.

[EddieMoney]

This is pretty much the archetype of what people hate about the current hot artists but I love this track and it could be the jam of the summer

French Montana, Drake, Ross, Wayne running a 2LiveCrew beat

[Bedouin]

[Bedouin]

[Fillmore Slim]

I recommend this person's Youtube account to fans of all music, especially if you like $#@! slowed/chopped. Just check it out.


http://www.youtube.com/user/Drobitussin

[Fillmore Slim]

A taste.

[Fillmore Slim]

This $#@! has me rollin. Good vibe

[neverwenttoUT]

Trae da truth got shot last night. He is ok though. Dinky D, and Poppa C(members of ABN) were killed though. Violence just seems to find Trae whereever he goes. He just lost Clip D(member of ABN) not to long ago.

[Fillmore Slim]

Guess folks are mad that he won't step aside.

[CutTheCrackJack]

Over 20 gunshots, multiple shooters:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/5-...s/-/index.html

[Derka Derka]

yeah, just read, $#@! is crazy. RIP.