Last edited by mrsmacgowski; 05-01-2012 at 09:41 AM.
As you can see on this thread, many drivers express animosity towards cyclists. And there are those who attempt to "buzz" them and pass by as close as possible. Sometimes they end up striking the cyclist. So when it's shown a driver could have given a cyclist a wide berth, I could see invoking a stiffer penalty.
To get respect, you gotta give respect.
Yeah, I'm harping on it, because it's the whole goddamned issue. Coasting to the front of a line of traffic, so you can be at the front going 10 mph when the light turns green? Running a stop sign? Passing a car on the right as it's paused at an intersection getting ready to turn right (making him either wait for you to pass him illegally, or swerve to avoid you because he never expected a vehicle to pass him on the right)? Riding 4 abreast, making it impossible to pass you? Failing to signal, thus requiring a car to take evasive action to avoid you after you turn? None of those are respectful, yet they are closer to the RULE than they are the exception. Seriously, I actually take note of it when a cyclist signals his intention, and I make room for him to make his move. He just GAVE respect, so now he GETS my respect.
I would STRONGLY suggest that if a cyclist is riding on a road with a speed limit over 45 mph, he should be required to have a license, have taken a class on bicycle safety and traffic laws, and pay a registration fee for same. And, if he violates a traffic law, because a violation puts him at INFINITELY greater risk than if he was in a car, his license be suspended.
I really enjoy the cyclists on South Mopac/45 who ride as far left in the bike lane that they get into the car lane. Then the flip you the bird because you are too close to them. I change lanes to the left lane when possible, but it's not always possible. Cyclists get there bike lane and don't use it. Awesome.
When is it logical to throw in a bunch of impediments operating on a totally different frequency as originally intended then charge big crimes when the obvious happens? $#@! cyclists in the ass. What $#@!ing gall they have.
But the speed limit is important in that it generally establishes the flow of traffic. Thus, on a road with a posted speed limit of 45 MPH, it's safe to assume that the flow of traffic will normally be around 45 MPH. A conveyance that cannot travel anywhere close to the posted speed limit will obstruct the flow of traffic, creating an unsafe condition for motorists and for the obstructing conveyance.
Last edited by crash_davis; 05-01-2012 at 10:26 AM.
Is it time for the annual offseason cycling thread already?
Did some shaven-legged idiot get his brains splattered flirting with a dumo truck or something?
My antipathy towards the cycling "cause" grew not from my experience as a driver, but my experience as a pedestrian on campus. Bikes are an annoyance when you're in a car, but they're a major threat when you're on foot. I've seen cyclists take people out on the sidewalk and I had to pull an olé on a cyclist near Jester once as he came careening towards me. (He got a few nice gashes as a result, but I'll be $#@!ing damned if I take a bike wheel to the nuts to protect him.)
I love it when cyclists use hand signals. It makes me feel like there's order and meaning in the world, but that's extremely rare.
Thread has a pulse again.
"Slow downs aren't any more dangerous or unexpected." Geezis. Slowdowns are a significant danger WITHOUT bikes, because they are UNPREDICTABLE. I have seen many an accident caused by traffic coming to an unexpected stop/significant slowdown. It is a HUGE increase in risk of a collision. When a highway slows down because of an accident ahead, or what have you, that is empirically one of the riskiest situations on the road. When it happens because of a bike poking along in a main traffic lane . . . same risk.
$#@! it. I mean, if we want to be safe, we might as well just change the speed limits on all our roads to 15 mph. Gotta keep them cyclists safe.
A few facts:
- I ride my bike to and from work almost every day
- I ride my bike to most bars, parks, events, etc within a 5-mile radius of my house (assuming there is a safe path to get there)
- I ride as if I am a vehicle and try to maintain near-traffic speeds
- I stop at every stop light, stop sign, signal turns, get behind cars when stopped (as opposed to shooting to the front of the line)
- I am about the most cautious rider ever because I now a car can end me at any moment
- My wife and I own 1 car between us and I use it about 10% of the time
Having said all that I $#@!ing know I am in the minority. I yell at people all the time doing stupid $#@!. I know as a car-oriented society the shift toward more bike-friendly roadways will take time. That said, it's time to start cracking down on $#@! bike riders. But it's also time to crack down on people endangering cyclists who are riding correctly and safely.
Did you know if you pass a cyclist you have to give them at least 4 feet? All the time people pass me and could reach out with my shoulder and touch their rear view mirror. That's endangering my life. If I were a less competent rider I would have had a lot more accidents than I have.
Did you know as a cyclists I am entitled to take the entire right lane if there is a not a bike lane? People all the time are honking and yelling at me to to move over when I am in the right lane of a multi-lane road. It's dangerous for someone to hug the curb and expect that a car can get by them with out moving into the left lane. Sorry, bud, I'm allowed to be here. Again, if 30mph is not fast enough for you, kindly go around. Sorry to have cheated you out of those precious 15 seconds out of your surely busy day.
These types of things happen as often as car drivers see cyclists break laws. There is give and take in this. The solution? Ticket the $#@! out of people. If I knew I'd get a $150 fine for slow-rolling through a stop sign then my ass is stopping. Sure, it's more energy to stop, but I also like what little money I have. I like the idea of regulating it as a mode of transport. If you are going to ride on the road you should have a license and should be held to the same standard as a car. Period.
I think before too long this will be a mostly moot conversation, though. Things are already changing.
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