McCain would have been worse than Obama. McCain's model President was Teddy Roosevelt. Can you imagine what McCain would have had the federal government do by now to solve the economic problems, Iran, Russia, China, . . .. McCain/Feingold's restriction on political free speech should have been enough to disqualify him for most thinking people.
http://reason.com/archives/2007/03/0...esident-mccainBe Afraid of President McCain
The frightening mind of an authoritarian maverick
. . . It was a microcosm of the Arizona senator’s largely unexamined philosophy about the proper role of the U.S. government. Like almost every past McCain crusade, from fining Big Tobacco to drug-testing athletes to restricting political speech in the name of campaign finance reform, the surge involved an increase in the power of the federal government, particularly in the executive branch.
All I can tell you is that I voted for Bob Barr.
I voted for Bob Barr, too. And I lost a bet. I said that if he won more than 5% of the vote, I didn't have to host a panel of leading UT economists on the 2008 meltdown. Bob didn't, so I had to. I voted for Badnarik in 2004. I voted Harry Browne in 1996 and 2000. In 1992, I attempted an Anthony Michael Hall move from Breakfast Club to vote illegally, but nothing doing. I will be voting, barring some random circumstance, for Gary Johnson. Unless Ron Paul magically appears on the Texas ballot in November.
What's great is that blindly loyal Obama supporters feel anybody that is even found guilty of questioning the Dear Leader must be a diehard, racist Republican. When many of us are just watching from an educated, libertarian vantage point, asking ourselves, "Can the assrape of the Constitution of the last 12 years, and really of the last 80 years, be remotely legal?"
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Oh here we go with the ideology circlejerk.
Quick, count to potato!
Disclaimer - Fiscal conservative and Jew with Polish roots here.
I don't know about the current Polish prime minister, and it is not surprising that he wants to distance Poland from Nazi's. However, Poles were anti-Semitic then and are anti-Semitic now.
I still argue this was not a mistake, just a Polish overreaction. I sure don't want to live in a world where I have to be 100 precise in my language.
Lol at being an Obama bot I am probably the only one here that thinks he is commiting war crimes.
Cheney is a flagrant anti-Semite because he wore a campaign toboggan to remember Auschwitz day.
90 percent of cloak room posters were west mall posters first. Unlike the rest of hornfans, there was little moderation on the political board. And the shocking thing is that what is left of the West mall is so right wing it would make texags blush.
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FWIW, the Polish politician who criticized Obama is a former National Review columnist who works for the American Enterprise Institute and is an advisor to Rupert Murdoch. He seems to enjoy getting involved in American politics and providing right-wing soundbites.
The point is that it is a predictable Polish reaction. Poland has an entire office in their foreign ministry devoted to monitoring foreign press reports for mention of "Polish Death Camps" because they're sick of being implicated in the Nazis' crimes. So yeah--they're going to be pissed when the president of the United States says "Polish death camp" in front of their prime minister.
It's kind of like how the Turkish president would be pissed if the president of the United States referenced the "Armenian genocide" in front of him. It's kind of like how the British prime minister might be miffed if the president of the United States referred to the islands as "las Malvinas" in his presence. It's one of those hot button issues that someone with the least little bit of curiosity about the world outside America's borders would know about. It's at least one of those issues that he should remember from his State Department briefing--in which I am sure it was included--from the day before.
Sorry, linux, but it was a mistake. It was a flub. And it was a mistake/flub of the nature that reveals Obama not to be terribly bright.
It's so telling that Gary Johnson is infinitely more progressive than President Obama. Obama is a lot of things, but Socialist is not one of them. He threw his base under the bus so many times, there should be a youtube video about it filmed on the Drag, just before final exams. Oh Obama came out for Gay Marriage? really? I guess I missed the introduction of legislation supporting his claim. The man who has introduced more legislation than any other President in U.S. History conveniently forgot to file that one bill? Hmmmm. It's impossible how gullible so many educated people can be...
THAT is the point, who the hell implicates them for Nazi crimes? I mean WTF it is like Nigeria having a PR office specifically designed for distancing themselves from all the implications that Hitler was one of them. No other occupied country feels the same way, that is all you probably need to know, not even Austria and you know of their most famous offspring.The point is that it is a predictable Polish reaction. Poland has an entire office in their foreign ministry devoted to monitoring foreign press reports for mention of "Polish Death Camps" because they're sick of being implicated in the Nazis' crimes. So yeah--they're going to be pissed when the president of the United States says "Polish death camp" in front of their prime minister.
I mean the jokes just write themselves...
Millions of the smartest and most educated people in the world would have probably made the same mistake, you would have to have a Polish studies PHD to even know this "sensibility". I don't even fault the state department people for not briefing Obama, this almost smells like a rightwing trap considering the new light on the foreign minister.Sorry, linux, but it was a mistake. It was a flub. And it was a mistake/flub of the nature that reveals Obama not to be terribly bright.
I think what we have here is an Obama speech writer who was too lazy or too arrogant to have his speech reviewed by somebody at the State Department. And we have a President, who unlike the Exxon CEO, doesn't make it clear to his subordinates that the only people who work for him are people who do things the way a big time operation is supposed to do them.
So, yes--our president knows less about Poland than your average Economist reader.
Don't be silly, EVERYBODY says that 3 worded sentence. The zinger is that only the Poles think that people really do believe they were behind the concentration camps.
We don't care what Europe thinks!
Oh wait, that was just during the last presidency. I forget how to apply the double standards sometimes.
Your only defense seems to be that lots of other people make the same stupid mistake, so therefore it can't be a mistake. Ignoring the fact that I've never heard an English-speaker use the phrase "Polish death camps" until this thread, do we really want to measure our presidents by the standard of "he'll at least only insult our allies in conventional manners"?
That aside, why do you expect the Poles to be perfectly cool with loose rhetoric regarding WWII? In the US, people still get pissy if you use innocently use racially insensitive language because we're still upset about slavery in the 1860s and the civil rights movement in the 1960s. In the 1940s, Poland wasn't just enslaved or oppressed, they were invaded a few countries, occupied, had over 5,000,000 people killed, saw its future given away by its so-called allies at Potsdam, and ended up with decades of Communist dictatorship. Tell me, why is it a flub for John McCain to innocently (but stupidly) use the term "tar baby" but not for Obama to innocently (but stupidly) refer to "Polish death camps"?
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