LeBron scored less than 20 points 13 times this season. KD just 5 times.
LeBron scored less than 20 points 13 times this season. KD just 5 times.
LBJ : 50 FG%, 26% from 3 point range, 74% FT, 30.3 pts per game Playoff high: 45 Playoff low: 19
KD: 51.7 FG%, 37% from 3 point range, 86% FT, 28.5 pts per game Playoff high: 36 Playoff low: 22
LeBron James is the most powerful and best finisher in the NBA. He also is a BELOW AVERAGE jump shooter. Nothing consistent about his outside game at all. Durant is not a low post or heaving inside scorer and still shot 50% from the field this season. Because he shoots well from EVERY SPOT on the court.
Amazing that the LBJ suckfest is now evolving into a "well, LBJ is actually a more consistent scorer than KD as well". What a $#@!ing joke.
James gets the SHAQ treatment around the basket. He knocks them over and gets a dunk. If not, they blow the whistle. If he was forced to play basketball, he would have to develop an offensie game other than lay ups and dunks to be a great player. When your 260 and you go mark Jackson back down AND get could calls for doing so makes you "Joey Crawford" unstoppable. Even if you hold your position or go straight up LeBron is getting that call. The NBA went to far with their finals fix this year. The refs overdid it and shell shocked the Thunder and they only got 5 games. I guess Crawford didn't know that if he only let Durant play 4 quarters in 2 games the team and series would crumble. The Heat had more than enough to win without Crawford and we were robbed by the NBA of what could have been a great series.
LeBron is best power forward in the nba right now.
Was it this thread that said Durant struggled to score against Battier?
Gm 1: 36
Gm 2: 32
Gm 3: 25
Gm 4: 28
Gm 5: 32
Yeah locked his ass smooth up.
The idea that one's TEAM winning a title makes one PLAYER all of a sudden in a league if his own is so incomprehensibly stupid that I can't even believe that so many people come to this conclusion all the time. It happened last season too. No one here, or anywhere else for that matter, was even talking about Dirk as one of the 5 best players in the NBA, and a ton of people, for very good reason, didn't see him as one if the 10 best either. Because he's not. He's an amazing scorer, certainly one of the best offensive players on the planet, and probably one of the greatest offensive players to ever play. But Dirk has had zero defensive impact on the game of basketball for his entire career, and he's not some great rebounder or low post presence either. He's a great perimeter scorer. But all of a sudden, after last years finals, after his TEAM finally won one, now everyone is asking where he ranks among D Wade, LeBron, KD, D Rose, Paul, etc, etc. Guys whose named have been in that top 5 conversation for YEARS, all of a sudden have a new guy in their midst because his TEAM won a basketball tournament. So. Damn. Stupid.
And the thing is, I don't recall a single person in this site saying that Bron isn't the best player in the world. Even before the Heat won the title, most people here said Bron was the best, with the occasional KD or Kobe advocate. But for the most part, we all agreed that the 6'8", 260 lb point-forward with the athleticism of an Olympic long jumper was the best player in the world. But we all felt, and still do, that Kevin Durant and Kobe Bryant aren't that $#@!ing far behind. Because they aren't. Those are the 3 best players in the world, and no one of them is in a class of his own. So I'll be damned if the fact that a more experienced, veteran TEAM, with a lil help from Crawford and friends, winning a basketball tournament, all of a sudden magically makes one single player on that team clearly in a class all by himself. It's retarded, and it makes no sense.
So unless you agree that Aaron Rodgers proved beyond a fraction of a doubt that he is the best QB in the world when he won a title a couple years ago, then you famn sure better not decide that a team accomplishment for the Heat all if a sudden means that LeBron is clearly better than everyone else. It. Does not. Make sense. Period.
People are stupid derka… end of story… Bron Bron less than 12 months ago averaged 17ppg in the finals, but now after this playoff run he is the most amazing player to ever walk the planet.. They don't wanna acknowledge the fact that LeBron's role players stepped up EVERY game of the series that helped them win in 5 games, and stepped up and played WAY beyond their normal play..
I don't have any issue saying LeBron is the best in the NBA, my issue was saying KD was "not even close" to Lebron.. so i'm guessing LeBron is still "not even close" to Dirk since he lost to him last year, and out of Dirk's control his team was broke up not giving him a shot to repeat..
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I agree with most of what you said, but I will say my perception of LeBron changed over the last few weeks because HE CHANGED. Starting with Game 7 against Boston, he was a different player than he has been in his entire career. Before that game, I would have said that Durant was close - and maybe even better. After that game, I said to myself, "man... we might be watching one of the best players of all time."So I'll be damned if the fact that a more experienced, veteran TEAM, with a lil help from Crawford and friends, winning a basketball tournament, all of a sudden magically makes one single player on that team clearly in a class all by himself.
Simmons has a good article describing how the Boston players were talking serious trash to LBJ for the whole series. Finally he snapped and went into beast mode and made them his bitch. He carried that momentum into the series with OKC. There was never a time in that series where he wasn't the alpha dog. When he would guard Durant, I would think "man this is a mismatch". LBJ is just too strong. When he decides to lock someone down on defense, it really isn't even fair.
I'll also say that Dirk was ridiculous in the playoffs last year. The team was good, but Dirk was unstoppable. My perception of him changed as well. It was like Chandler supplied some missing toughness that was the final piece of the puzzle. I don't recall a game when he wasn't the best player on the court during the championship run.
What the $#@! was the argument for Durant? "Yeah, LBJ is better at literally everything there is to do on a basketball court except shooting BUT Durant is clutch and LBJ can't carry a team when it matter the most and THAT'S how you judge superstars." Well, guess what, he just carried a team from the brink of elimination (when people were lining up to tear him a new one) right over KD's throat to a ring. Now what argument does Durant have? I'd say if one player is considered inarguably better than another by anyone with half a brain, that that qualifies as not even close. Semantics I guess. And yes, I've always held this opinion because I have eyes.
But god forbid other people's opinions actually change after watching him utterly dominate an NBA Finals (you know, what it's ALL about and where Jordan made his legacy).
Last edited by aggie08; 06-27-2012 at 05:05 PM.
I like how you used the playoffs, knowing full well that Miami was playing shorthanded most of those games. As a result teams were able to harass James a lot more, and his numbers fell off more than usual. However, if you look at the year as a whole his numbers are outstanding.
Bron was 53 FG%, 36% from 3 point range, and 77% from the stripe. KD was 49%, 38% from 3 point range, and 86% from the stripe.
You also pick 20 points as the cutoff low. The point is simple. All year Bron was a single point lower in scoring than KD, while taking less shots. You can put him on just about any team, and they will instantly be a playoff team. I am not sure KD is that guy. Right now he is playing on a team full of first round draft picks. In fact, their first 6 in the rotation is not only comprised entirely of first rounders, but has 3 top 5 picks in it. In this NBA teams like that are not only unprecedented, but the likelihood that OKC can keep this group together is slim at best. A couple of these guys are going to have to swallow their pride, and take a lot less than they are worth. They may have another year together, but after that who knows.
I am a graduate of The University of Texas at Austin, so obviously I love me some KD. That being said, I always thought Bron was a better player. Simply because he always gets guys the ball in their sweet spot. There is a reason those role players stepped up the way they did.
Lebron understands something a lot of basketball players don't get, and it's this. Guys play harder when they are involved. Everyone thinks they can shoot, and that they deserve to. They feel they got pigeon-holed into the "role" they are in. However, when they are getting touches, they slap the floor a little harder on defense, and dive for those 50/50 balls. He plays team ball regardless of how good he is, and guys like to play for a guy like that. Guys like Kobe suck the life out of all stars like Gasol. Pau is a shell of himself.
Wow. Just, incomprehensibly stupid. Every single Texas fan I know thinks that VY was unarguably a greater QB at Texas than Colt. They all also think it was pretty damn close. Every single Texas fan I know who's old enough to know better thinks that Earl was unarguably than Ricky. They all also agree that it was pretty damn close. I would say that for the last 3 years, any baseball fan with half a brain would have said that Albert Pujols was "inarguably better" than Miguel Cabrera. I'd also wager that any of them with half a brain would say that it's pretty close. Now I can keep going for hours giving examples of this, but I'm gonna stop typing now, because I just can't wait to see what unnecessarily angry, embarrassingly uninformed response you'll have next. I'm $#@!ing tickled with delight.
WHAT THE $#@! CASE DID KEVIN DURANT EVER HAVE THAT HE WAS EVEN $#@!ING CLOSE TO LEBRON JAMES?!?!?!?!?!
LMAO you dumb bastard.
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They're both correct you dumb $#@!. Your obsession with me lately is rather cute though.
LOL, so now I'm obsessed with you because I reply to you? And what the $#@! does "They're both correct" mean? Are you referring to both assertions, because if so, I hate to break it to you, but two opposing assertions can't both be correct. It's one or the other. Unfortunately for you, that degree you got in meat judging hasn't helped you end up on the right side of the coin.
Throwing stones in glass houses and such.
Once again, your argument isn't based on anything real. You argue that he shouldn't say "not even close," but you fail to understand what he bases it on. So instead of looking for why he makes that claim, you attack the claim itself. Without understanding his reasoning, there is no real discussion. Just plenty of typical mudslinging. It's entertaining at times though.
Last edited by Derka Derka; 06-28-2012 at 10:35 AM.
If it makes you feel better:
3. Everyone else
Last edited by aggie08; 06-28-2012 at 11:36 AM.
I read your first sentence and then stopped. I've spent the entire thread addressing main subject, which in no way precludes me from also being able to single out something particularly $#@!ing stupid that you said, and then adressing how $#@!ing stupid it is. With every post you make it becomes more and more clear what a real $#@!ing idiot you are. Congrats on making it this far in life with what I have to assume is a 5th grade education.
Last edited by Derka Derka; 06-28-2012 at 11:26 AM.
Derka with educational level $#@! talk. Wonders never cease. As always, thanks again for the laughs.
If we did another fantasy basketball draft and the winner got $1000. You have first pick, who do you get?
No hidden $#@! talking here. I'm just curious, and I don't need a 4 page explanation.
Fantasy in the sense of what we did earlier this year. Not points and crap.
I skipped to page 6 of this thread expecting to see the latest info regarding Harden. Instead... Derka and an aggy berating each other, Durant and Lebron talk.... and uninspired insults.
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT !!!
So, any new trade rumors regarding Harden?
I think the person that said "it's not even close" said that because there wasn't a second thought put into their decision to say Lebron is the best. I don't think anybody thinks KD is a long way away, but there is a clear and decisive #1 here, and it's Lebron.
Lots of dumb arguments on the basketball board, but this is in the running for the dumbest.
Last edited by SLOTH; 06-28-2012 at 03:11 PM.
Then, and this is the exact $#@!ing part I quoted, he explicitly states that if one player is generally considered better than another player, that there is no way that the inferior player is even close to being as good. Again, this haw $#@!ing NOTHING to do with Vic or clean up man, and again, there is ZERO room for interpretation, especially when he phrases it as, "anyone with half a brain would say so."
So I'm sorry if keeping up with the $#@!ing subject at hand is an impossible task for you, but you have done an absolutely miserable job of keeping up with just what the $#@! it is I'm over here talking about. And thats what's mind numbingly frustrating. Aggie08 makes explicit statements, with no room for interpretation, and you're over here talking about other posters, and saying, "well I interpret what they said to mean this this and this." Sorry, it doesn't $#@!ing work that way.
Let's see, which better personifies a mental midget:
Someone making a varying viewpoint on a subjective--and largely irrelevant--topic on an internet message board, or
Someone who blows a gasket every time anyone dares disagree with their perspective and equates long-winded and expletive-laden tirades with being smarter or "righter".
I wouldn't even waste my time on you if you didn't continually ruin fairly interesting discussions (some of which you even start but flip out when the discourse isn't going as you imagined).
At least now I know what people mean when they say a thread was derka'd. I've read about it in other threads but this is my first time experiencing it.
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