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    Why does the water level in the toilet bowl (not the tank) slowly decrease?

    I tiled the upstairs bathroom floor, and put the toilet back in yesterday. It was removed for about 3 weeks. Now the water level in the bowl slowly decreases over a couple of hours.

    I took out the toilet again this morning, no sign of leakage anywhere, wax seal looks good. Can't see any cracks in toilet.

    I risked my life climbing onto the roof. Couldn't see any obstructions in the vent pipe with a flashlight. Flushed water down the vent with a water hose for five minutes. Didn't back up, seems to drain fine.

    Reinstalled, and water level still decreases. Flushes just fine. Water does not leak from the tank at all. Downstairs toilet works perfectly. All other drains (sinks, washing machine, etc) drain just fine.

    What am I missing here? Who wants the pos rep?

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    Perhaps you should stop touching yourself...see if that helps.

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    You $#@!s aren't helping.

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    first guess would be that the toilet is not level.

    toilet-plumbing-diagram.jpg


    as you can see, your water should level off where it stops on that last bend. if it leans backwards, maybe thats enough for it to slowly empty. try tipping it forward with shims or something and see if that affects it. amateur guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck of Death View Post
    first guess would be that the toilet is not level.

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    as you can see, your water should level off where it stops on that last bend. if it leans backwards, maybe thats enough for it to slowly empty. try tipping it forward with shims or something and see if that affects it. amateur guess.
    In other words, quit leaning back when you take a $#@!. And maybe eat a few less ho ho's

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    Based on this thread, I would experiment if I were you.

    Turn off the water supply at the wall. Then flush the toilet... the tank will not fill back up.
    Then get a bucket full of water and dump it into the bowl until it stabilizes at the proper level. Then monitor for a good while. If the bowl level goes down without leaking onto the floor around the wax seal, then something is wrong internal with the bowl. Somehow it is leaking into the sewer.

    If the water level stays the same, (which you say it is not and the tank is not leaking because you have no water in it during the experiment...) the bowl is OK. If the water level drains and goes down into the sewer pipe, you broke the bowl accidentally.

    Do this and report back. It won't cost you anything for this trial.
    Last edited by LimaDelta6; 08-11-2012 at 03:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaDelta6 View Post
    Based on this thread, I would experiment if I were you.

    Turn off the water supply at the wall. Then flush the toilet... the tank will not fill back up.
    Then get a bucket full of water and dump it into the bowl until it stabilizes at the proper level. Then monitor for a good while. If the bowl level goes down without leaking onto the floor around the wax seal, then something is wrong internal with the bowl. Somehow it is leaking into the sewer.

    If the water level stays the same, (which you say it is not and the tank is not leaking because you have no water in it during the experiment...) the bowl is OK. If the water level drains and goes down into the sewer pipe, you broke the bowl accidentally.

    Do this and report back. It won't cost you anything for this trial.
    By "broke the bowl" you mean a crack somewhere on the bottom?, or somewhere inside that I can't see? Because I looked carefully for cracks on the bottom and didn't see any.

    I'll go do this right now. I'll report back later. Thanks Lima.

    Duck-- I don't think your sugestion is the problem as the water level gets very low if I don't flush for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightin' Buck View Post
    By "broke the bowl" you mean a crack somewhere on the bottom?, or somewhere inside that I can't see? Because I looked carefully for cracks on the bottom and didn't see any.

    I'll go do this right now. I'll report back later. Thanks Lima.

    Duck-- I don't think your sugestion is the problem as the water level gets very low if I don't flush for a while.
    Since you can't see any external cracks, it would have to be internal......If the level goes down and you want to be sure, you can take the toilet off of the sewer pipe again and put it on your drive way and repeat the experiment. You should be able to see the water leaking at that point as it will not be going down a sewer pipe but onto the cement. You will just probably need to get a new wax ring.....for reinstallation.

    None of this will cost you cash money. It will take up some time and effort though.....

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    your chihuahua prefers toilet bowl water not the purified water you put in its bowl.

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    Mild hijack:

    About once a year I plunge out all the water from the bowl and fill with muriatic acid. Let it sit a couple hours and the 28 year old toilet flushes like new. My theory is it's eating out all the sit that can't be reached my a brush?

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    You might be able to see how far the trap goes up on the side, depending on what kind of toilet you have. If you can see the trap, you can judge it visually to see if it is because the toilet is not level.

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    Summer is hot. What's the average temperature upstairs? How often do you use the toilet/flush it? Once upon a time I thought this was happening upstairs, when it turns out that it was just evaporation. I even used food coloring so I could find where it was leaking. It turns out I just never used that particular crapper and it just evaporated more because heat rises and its pretty hot here in the ATX. I would try some food coloring in the water though. It could be leaking and evaporating creating the illusion that its not leaking anywhere.

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    Run your tongue along the insde of the bowl to feel for cracks. That's what I do once a year to all of mine to make sure they're in good shape.

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    If you just retiled your bathroom I bet it is leaking around the wax ring. I had a plumber come out after I noticed some leaking after I replaced a toilet. He said in every case where there is a tile floor in a bathroom all plumbers will double up on the wax ring. So I'd put another wax ring on top of the first one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Shank View Post
    Run your tongue along the insde of the bowl to feel for cracks. That's what I do once a year to all of mine to make sure they're in good shape.
    this requires cocaine

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    can we get a resolution to this dilemma please?

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    Well, $#@!. I tried Lima's "experiment" and it still leaked. I guess there is a crack somewhere that I can't see. However, since the leakage appears to be draining down the drain, and its not really wasting any water, since the tank doesn't drain as the bowl leaks, and seeing as how I'm tired of $#@!ing with it, I'm just gonna let it be for a while, and buy a new toilet sometime in the near future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xminus6 View Post
    If you just retiled your bathroom I bet it is leaking around the wax ring. I had a plumber come out after I noticed some leaking after I replaced a toilet. He said in every case where there is a tile floor in a bathroom all plumbers will double up on the wax ring. So I'd put another wax ring on top of the first one.
    Way ahead of ya, X. I doubled up the wax ring since the tile floor lifted the toilet up a little higher than it was previously.

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    There should be leak detector dyes that you can put in your stool. It finds tiny cracks in tanks. I believe muriatic acid is not safe for use on porcelain. But the acid does dominate organic waste. We use stuff called clobber. It's bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumblefishstix View Post
    There should be leak detector dyes that you can put in your stool. It finds tiny cracks in tanks. I believe muriatic acid is not safe for use on porcelain. But the acid does dominate organic waste. We use stuff called clobber. It's bad.
    Eating yogurt turns my stool funny colors. Might want to try that first before you go squirting dyes up your $#@!.

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    $#@!ty necro bump.

    Just to keep you guys informed, I just ignored the problem and after a day or so the water level stopped dropping. I suspect the culprit was suction in the system caused by .....

    shower drain not being used for a month and water in trap evaporated and somehow this caused suction? $#@! if I know.

    But no leaks, so all is good at the Buck $#@!ter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightin' Buck View Post
    $#@!ty necro bump.

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