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    Ted Cruz gets a scolding - not an answer

    An opinion piece from the San Francisco newspaper, of all places. (I've bolded some of my favorite parts)

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California wants us to know that she is "not a sixth-grader."

    Anyone who saw the recent exchange before the Senate Judiciary Committee between Feinstein and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas over guns and the Constitution might speculate that the reason she said this is because she couldn't pass the entrance exam.

    As for Cruz, a friend of mine for a decade, it turns out that the most important of the "Senate rules" is unwritten: Thou shalt not embarrass a fellow senator - even one in the opposing party - by making him or her look unprepared, uneducated or uninformed.

    That's not always an easy thing to avoid. The rulebook doesn't say what to do when a Senate colleague who wants to ban certain guns dodges a tough question and then goes on the attack - thus embarrassing herself.

    Nevertheless, Cruz, 42, is headed to the principal's office. His infraction was asking the right question. What Cruz wanted to know was this: Why do liberals cherish the First and Fourth Amendments, but trash the one in between - the Second Amendment?

    That's a brainteaser. Why does the left play favorites with different parts of the Bill of Rights?

    Experience teaches that the better the question, the less likely you are to get a straight answer.


    That's what happened here. Feinstein went on the offense. Abandoning reason for emotion, she scolded Cruz for daring to "lecture" her. After all, she said, she had seen the bodies of people killed by gunfire.

    She was referring to the assassinations of San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk and San Francisco Mayor George Moscone in 1978. Feinstein obviously feels very passionate about limiting people's access to guns. But who says she gets to decide who gets to own a gun or how many stay on the market?

    Enter Cruz. The freshman senator is forcing the Washington establishment - people in both parties - to think. And oh, how they dislike him for it.

    Before his election to the Senate, Cruz - who was solicitor general of Texas - built a reputation as one of the best litigators and constitutional lawyers in the country.

    What Feinstein, 79, has is a conviction that she - like many liberals - cares more about the victims of gun violence than everyday Americans possibly could.

    Ironically, Feinstein told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that she felt the Texan was "arrogant."

    Look who's talking. Arrogant is when a person feels so imperial that she doesn't think that she should have to put up with questions from a colleague.


    So what, pray tell, does Feinstein have going for her? Experience. She's been in the Senate for 20 years. Is this how the game is played? You don't become an expert in a subject and then go onto a Senate committee. It's the other way around. Feinstein acknowledged during the exchange with Cruz that, while she feels perfectly comfortable making laws, she herself is "not a lawyer."

    If this were you or me, that fact might deter us from arguing the law and the Constitution with someone who has argued both before the Supreme Court nine times.


    Which might lead us to ask the senator from California: "Are you smarter than a sixth-grader?"
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    I don't think this article will go over well in SF...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurntEyes View Post
    I don't think this article will go over well in SF...
    or in places where people are educated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longhorn_Fan68 View Post
    or in places where people are educated
    Yeah, okay.

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    Wow. I would have expected a San Fran paper to be cheerleading the California Senator and her gun banning agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longhorn_Fan68 View Post
    or in places where people are educated
    So you're saying you loved it?

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    Freedom from military quartering can't get any respect.

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    Was not overly enthused about Cruz as a candidate. Am still not overly enthused about all of his ideas. BUT, he is something I have long wanted to see in the Senate -- an adept litigator who knows how to cross examine a witness and argue a legal issue. I think he has done so quite well so far, and it helps that it has largely been with regard to an issue that I am personally familiar with and find important -- the right to keep and bear arms.

    Again, while I was unenthusiastic about his election, I approve of his performance thus far. Calling out the arrogant imperial class on issues fundamental to our status as a free nation made up of people who hold certain rights is near and dear to me, and he does it very well.

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    I'm right there with you Brisket. I wasn't crazy about him as a candidate, but to date, he's done well, imo.

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    I'm not a fan of Feinstein but the question posed by Cruz was pretty stupid and did not warrant a substantive reply.

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    I was thrilled with him as a candidate, and I couldn't be prouder of him as my Senator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzz View Post
    I'm not a fan of Feinstein but the question posed by Cruz was pretty stupid.
    No it wasn't. Why does the left pick and choose parts of the Bill of Rights to hold sacrosanct, and why do they choose others to vilify and attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzz View Post
    I'm not a fan of Feinstein but the question posed by Cruz was pretty stupid and did not warrant a substantive reply.
    Feinstein got absolutely schooled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzz View Post
    I'm not a fan of Feinstein but the question posed by Cruz was pretty stupid and did not warrant a substantive reply.
    This.

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    bitch got owned.
    it wont be the last time Cruz spanks one of the liberal butt-sniffers in Congress...

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    What Cruz wanted to know was this: Why do liberals cherish the First and Fourth Amendments, but trash the one in between - the Second Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzz View Post
    I'm not a fan of Feinstein but the question posed by Cruz was pretty stupid and did not warrant a substantive reply.
    Apparently you're not a big fan of the Constitution either.

    It's not a stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxTower View Post
    What Cruz wanted to know was this: Why do liberals cherish the First and Fourth Amendments, but trash the one in between - the Second Amendment?



    Apparently you're not a big fan of the Constitution either.

    It's not a stupid question.
    This is what he asked:

    In a question to Feinstein, Cruz tried to draw a parallel between the First and Second Amendments. He asked if Feinstein would "consider it constitutional for Congress to specify that the First Amendment shall apply only to the following books and shall not apply to the books that Congress has deemed outside the protection of the Bill of Rights."
    If you don't think comparing books with guns is ridiculous...well, then you're probably just the kind of hooplehead he's pandering to.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-2nd-amendment

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    Don't both parties pick and choose which of bill of rights to cherish and which ones to vilify? Pot meet kettle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzz View Post
    This is what he asked:



    If you don't think comparing books with guns is ridiculous...well, then you're probably just the kind of hooplehead he's pandering to.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-2nd-amendment
    Maybe it was a poor analogy but it was obviously an alligorical question meant to illustrate that "drawing the line" within constitutionally guaranteed rights is tricky business but I'm not surprised people such as yourself, miss this point all together.

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    I also think it's laughable when conservatives act like a near absolute right to own guns is some prerequisite for providing a free society like the rights to free speech, religion and movement. Moreover, even the most fundamental rights (i.e., not the right to bear arms) include restrictions.

    The Onion did a pretty good job last year lampooning this idea.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/rig...adly-me,30742/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdub View Post
    Don't both parties pick and choose which of bill of rights to cherish and which ones to vilify? Pot meet kettle.
    This.

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    I personally don't think anyone should have a gun, but Cruz brings up a logical point. If we can restrict guns, then we can restrict speech. What is to stop it?

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    can you scream fire in a crowded theatre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roquentin View Post
    can you scream fire in a crowded theatre?
    Yes. Is it prohibited by law? Yes.

    Can a felon obtain a firearm? Yes. Is it prohibited by law? Yes.

    Did Feinstein propose a bill that would ban certain firearms specifically by name and characteristics (magazines, pistol grips, etc)? Yes.

    Would a proposed bill that would ban certain print specifically by title and characteristics (use of the word '$#@!', saying derogatory things about senators from CA, etc) get laughed at? Yes.

    See how the analogy works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roquentin View Post
    can you scream fire in a crowded theatre?
    No. But you can speak in a theater.

    Just like I can carry a gun in a theater. But if I bust a cap in someone it's illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    Here is his actual grandstanding question:



    Do you think that certain books are prohibited, despite having a First Amendment? Are you ok with that?
    Yeah, cause like....they can't stop kiddie porn if its in a coffee table book - that would be like picking one that you can't have - and the First Amendment won't allow it. Wait, what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neonmoon44 View Post
    I personally don't think anyone should have a gun, but Cruz brings up a logical point. If we can restrict guns, then we can restrict speech. What is to stop it?
    Logical, I guess, if there was not an already beat to death and well established body of law on each of the various BOR provisions - like they may have taught Cruz when he was attending Harvard Law School - or, $#@!, who knows - when Cruz served as a law clerk to William Rehnquist, Chief Justice of the United States.

    That's what so maddening. He knows better and was just grandstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzz View Post
    If you don't think comparing books with guns is ridiculous...well, then you're probably just the kind of hooplehead he's pandering to.
    While yes its far fetched because books have been already through the courts as legal forms of free speech within the 1st amendment. But how about the internet?

    There was a real debate about letting the executive branch (just think about who you hate Obama or Bush) use a power to shut down the internet in a crisis and also about the FCC limiting some websites. Most staunch 1st amendment advocates say no way should anyone have that right. But then somehow if child or beastiality porn becomes a hot topic and most people say that those harmful sites should be banned to protect everyone (instead of just prosecuting those who go to those websites). Then Homeland Security gets involved and start limiting access or removing bomb instruction manuals, jihad/terrorist networks (or at least one's they think are). But who proves it? Is there an appeals process? Then the film/TV/music industry lobbies to block all torrent/illegal downloading sites (once again, instead of just going after violators because this would be cheaper/more effective). Next Wikileaks pops backup with God knows what and is quickly banned. Does anyone have a problem with these 1st amendment violations? Next Congress decides to ban all online gambling/sports books because its not taxed or immoral. Then the conservative right wants all internet porn banned because our minors have easy access to it. Then the topic shifts to cyber bulling on youtube, facebook, twitter; or hate speech on message boards, chat rooms (I remember a motion to ban AOL chat rooms because of cyber sex and child predators a decade ago) comments sections on blogs/articles. Now everything is filtered by government moderators in a new huge government bureaucracy and pretty soon it take 2 days before you can get a post like this published if its not rejected or edited all to hell. At what point is it too much, where the line, who decides?

    Now flip it around on guns. Okay, everyone's mad about the shootings, and rightfully so. So let's pass another assault weapons ban, limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 8, make .44 the maximum caliber. Sounds good to most reasonable people who think "I'd never need those things so why not" but then another public shooting happens with two Colt .44's or a hunting rifle with 8 shots now people want to restrict everything to .40 or 6 rounds. Then another public shooting happens with a guy that has 4 handguns. Now they want to require that all guns be registered, owners licensed, set a limit the number of guns in a household or per person, and start tracking/rationing ammo purchases. Then another shooting happens and they decide that "Constitutionally" they cannot ban guns but legally they can artificially raise the prices of guns/ammo so high with a tax that it become impractical for any one in the 99% to have/hold a firearm. At what point is it too much, where the line, who decides?

    Full disclosure, I'm a libertarian and own a semi automatic pistol for HOME protection (no CHL), a little old family .22 revolver, a 30-30 deer rifle, 2 shot guns (his/hers), a .22 rifle I got when I was a kid, and my grandfather's 30ot6 from WWII and all are in safes like a responsible gun owner.

    That all being said I have no problem with passing an automatic assault weapons ban, limiting the number of rounds in a magazine to 8, and making .44 the maximum caliber if they would clarify the second amendment so that no "extra" undo taxes (like a sin tax on cigarettes) can ever be levied on gun/ammo/gun related paraphernalia, and no additional restrictions (registration/licenses/number per house or person/ammo rations/caliber/magazine restriction) would be placed on my rights 2nd amendment rights EVER. If that sounds unreasonable, then that's exactly why most gun advocates like the NRA don't want to make any concessions because once they give an inch people will want another inch and another, and once you give the power of precedent to the government, they can use it again and again with little recourse.

    Now that I got that off my chest, feel free to call me an idiot and neg rep away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    If you look at the reaction on Cruz' face while DiFi was lecturing him, he knew he had stirred up something that wasn't good for him.

    His look is priceless.


    There are only 100 senators, and Cruz can't be creating enemies as fast as he is if he wants to ever help the people of Texas. If he is only worried about how much facetime he gets on TV, then he is doing well.
    Tragedy of the commons: if all we have are senators concerned with toting off goodies to their home states, them nobody is looking out for the common good, such as the Constitution and the nation as a whole.

    I'll gladly give up a senator obsessed with pork for me if he'll work to save the whole hog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Sack View Post
    No. But you can speak in a theater.

    Just like I can carry a gun in a theater. But if I bust a cap in someone it's illegal.

    We'd all prefer if you wouldn't speak during the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llano Estacado View Post
    Yes. Is it prohibited by law? Yes.

    Can a felon obtain a firearm? Yes. Is it prohibited by law? Yes.

    Did Feinstein propose a bill that would ban certain firearms specifically by name and characteristics (magazines, pistol grips, etc)? Yes.

    Would a proposed bill that would ban certain print specifically by title and characteristics (use of the word '$#@!', saying derogatory things about senators from CA, etc) get laughed at? Yes.

    See how the analogy works?
    feinstein is a criminal felon? are you a conservative who went against the spirit of 6th admendment because feinstein has not been found guilty by a jury of her peers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VYFanboy View Post
    We'd all prefer if you wouldn't speak during the movie.
    Racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear lake horn View Post
    No it wasn't. Why does the left pick and choose parts of the Bill of Rights to hold sacrosanct, and why do they choose others to vilify and attack?
    Maybe the same reason the right picks and chooses parts of the bible to hold sacrosanct like hating gays but ignore other parts like hating shrimp and killing your kids for talking back.

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    Some of you would be incapable of political discussion were you somehow rendered unable to direct barbs against the inconsistencies of a wholly imagined "other side of the aisle". I don't think that it's possible to produce coherent thoughts on politics while constrained by the need to fit within a political ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    Two questions:

    1.) Is it an individual Senator's role to determine the constitutionality of a law or is that more appropriately done by the Roberts Court?


    2.) Do you know, for certain, that Cruz is only interested in sacrificing the pork in order to save the whole hog? Or, perhaps, might be more willing to forgo the pork in order to cater to certain right-wing interests that will keep him in a plush job of the US Senate, despite being an effective legislator? (Ok, both sentences came out as questions, but I tried to keep it to two questions, honest.)
    1 - not only is it each senator's role, it is their responsibility. Our lawmakers should make every effort to stay within the bounds of the authority granted to then by the constitution. They don't get to hand off that responsibility to the courts.

    2 - of course I don't know that. I suspect that he's a slut for power like the rest of them. I think that all of our elected officials are greedy power hungry bastards. However, I KNOW that Fienstien is an Imperial power slut, so in a battle between them, I'll usually be pulling for Cruz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    1.) Is it an individual Senator's role to determine the constitutionality of a law or is that more appropriately done by the Roberts Court?
    WTF...? You serious Clark?

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    It should be the first concern of each government actor whether the policy/law/task at hand is constitutional.This applies to every decision made by every government actor. The Courts will never hear most issues, and are written out of all the important decisions.

    It is a shame some people are so ignorant of basic civics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisketexan View Post
    2 - of course I don't know that. I suspect that he's a slut for power like the rest of them. I think that all of our elected officials are greedy power hungry bastards. However, I KNOW that Fienstien is an Imperial power slut, so in a battle between them, I'll usually be pulling for Cruz.
    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    Re #2. Calling a female senator a slut? Nice. I wonder why the GOP has trouble with women. You are better than that.
    Clearly an attack on women

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    Did the courts hear AWB #1?
    Not that it matters to this discussion, but no (at least not as a second amendment challenge). http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-...ld-131451.html

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    Good on Senator Cruz. Real breath of fresh air.

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    I find it ironic that JC wants to simultaneously claim Congress (Senators) demand respect while at the same time claiming that the bar is so low on their job requirements that their oath of office means nothing and they don't need to check their own work. Like monkeys flinging poo needed to be addressed as aristocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    So, since nothing that was unconstitutional was being ,discussed, then Mr. Cruz' attempted lecture on the constitution served no purpose than grandstanding / pandering to far right donors to raise funds for his personal benefit. The Republic did not hang in peril, Mr Cruz did not save our government.
    So I guess you still don't get the basic civics. You should have to re-enroll in elementary school and demonstrate competence before you're allowed to vote. Sort of like Billy Madison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CooterBrown View Post
    Maybe the same reason the right picks and chooses parts of the bible to hold sacrosanct like hating gays but ignore other parts like hating shrimp and killing your kids for talking back.
    Where in Acts does it identify that the new law was based on "the right?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by roquentin View Post
    can you scream fire in a crowded theatre?
    Yes, but only if it's followed by "Mack Brown."

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    "Can you scream fire in a crowded theatre?"

    Yes, assuming it is on fire. And you can scream fire in the woods or in your back yard, etc. The point being that you can't endanger another by your actions.

    wrt guns the analogy is that you could fire your weapon as long as you don't endanger someone else.


    "Don't both parties pick and choose which of bill of rights to cherish and which ones to vilify? "

    agreed. neither party pays much attention to #10
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CooterBrown View Post
    Maybe the same reason the right picks and chooses parts of the bible to hold sacrosanct like hating gays but ignore other parts like hating shrimp and killing your kids for talking back.
    Wow. What a biblical scholar you are. A veritable St. Thomas Aquinas.

    Thanks for the enlightening post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    Re: #1. Given that DIFi already had an AWB law passed and enacted and not overturned by the courts, is it Mr Cruz' role to challenge the constitutionality? Why was it not previously the SCOTUS role?

    Re #2. Calling a female senator a slut? Nice. I wonder why the GOP has trouble with women. You are better than that.
    As noted below, you suffer from a bad case of poor reading comprehension. I referred to both the male and the female as sluts.

    And further, lumping me in with the GOP fanboys -- I am amused. I mean, Escriva and Tennesseehorn etc. insist that I am an Obama fanboy. Gosh, it's enough to give a fella an identity crisis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseCuervo View Post
    So, since nothing that was unconstitutional was being ,discussed, then Mr. Cruz' attempted lecture on the constitution served no purpose than grandstanding / pandering to far right donors to raise funds for his personal benefit. The Republic did not hang in peril, Mr Cruz did not save our government.
    This is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    This is correct.
    No it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdub View Post
    Don't both parties pick and choose which of bill of rights to cherish and which ones to vilify?
    yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaduroUTMB View Post
    Some of you would be incapable of political discussion were you somehow rendered unable to direct barbs against the inconsistencies of a wholly imagined "other side of the aisle". I don't think that it's possible to produce coherent thoughts on politics while constrained by the need to fit within a political ideology.

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