Was really hoping to go to the 18 or 22 WC, but my ass is not traveling to Russia or Qatar, though I did check out flights to Bahrain from Austin, and it's only $1100 with a layover in Amsterdam. Getting around Qatar would probably be pretty easy, and their stadiums look ridiculously sick, but I'm not taking my chances over there. FIFA has to be the most corrupt body on the planet.
I know they don't need 10 stadiums, probably 6 stadiums but maybe even 4 stadiums would be enough.
Also, as mentioned earlier on this thread, Qatar doesn't need domed stadiums as they are using green technology to cool the open air stadiums.
I can speak some Portuguese, and most Brazilians speak Spanish... I can move around easily down there... can y'all?
I am going to be getting damn long in the tooth by 2022, and a nice quiet Qatari WC sounds like it might be my speed. Nice air conditioned game, $#@!tails in a predetermined location.
Other countries have to build stadiums and upgrade transportation infrastructure. Qatar will have to build entire cities which will only be occupied for one month.
WC should always be in Europe and South America. $#@! anywhere else. I'm serious. Too much "spreading it around" $#@!. $#@! South Africa, the Mid East and Asia.
bad choice granting it to Qatar:
1. A non democratic country.
2. a country that does not recognize Israel.
3. a country that is barely a country and is more or less a suburb under construction.
4. a country with no infrastructure, stadiums, hotels to host a lower tier college bowl game much less the WC.
5. a country where you can get arrested for showing affection to the opposite sex.
6. a country where you can be prosecuted for homosexuality (gratis travel warning for our Aggie brethren).
7. A country that allows NO alcohol and will arrest you for any level of public intoxication. And if you want to drink, you have to buy permits from two designated outlets, both of which require said permits to enter.
8. A country with NO soccer history.
9. A country that believes in second class status of women.
10. searing heat for all players.
And those were just a few random thoughts that entered my mind.
This is a a horrible decision and a real blow to US Soccer. I hope our fans boycott.
Last edited by Guitarman; 12-02-2010 at 10:16 PM.
Almost NO Brazilians speak Spanish.
I can speak some Portuguese, and most Brazilians speak Spanish... I can move around easily down there... can y'all?
Spanish? Not even $#@!ing close.
This little tidbit blew me away when I was down there in '04 and it continues to astound me since I've moved to Argentina in March of '07.
When I was in Brazil again in '09, I went to Florianopolis. Lots of Argie tourists there, but STILL locals spoke a little English and no Spanish. Absolutely mind boggling.
You'll be able to read most of the signs, but people won't understand you for $#@!.
Plain and simple: Anyone who thinks Qatar is a legitimate choice to host the WC is a $#@!ing idiot. Long Island can let his sopping pussy weep for the game of football to convert the medieval Middle East into a bastion of tolerance and unity, but anyone with a $#@!ing head on their shoulders knows it is a sham.
Martin Samuel knocked it out of the park in his piece today:
FIFA are rotten to the core! I feel like a shower after this crawling, venal game... we're better off out of it
The World Cup is a competition that is, essentially, forged in corruption, which is why it goes to countries that are essentially corrupt. Countries that will over-ride their tax system, their money-laundering laws and, in the case of South Africa, even ride roughshod over their constitution.
It is almost amusing that the lickspittle leader of England's bid, Andy Anson, now rails at the duplicity of FIFA executive committee members, having spent the last year selling reality down the river by by calling any criticism of football's governing body unpatriotic.
Now, reading between the lines, the England 2018 message is that the FIFA ExCo is populated by chisellers, liars and, quite possibly, crooks. We know, thanks. This is what we have been trying to tell you
The first thing that should happen after football's black Thursday is that FIFA's technical committee should be disbanded. No more whizzing around cities like The Jetsons, all traffic lights switched to green. No more five-star hotels and lavish receptions. The technical assessment is irrelevant. What works is unimportant. The two worst, most problematic technical bids will host the World Cup in 2018 and 2022. Poor infrastructure, fabulous expense, potentially fatal heat, crazy overcrowding, the two World Cups after next promise them all.
We now know what matters to FIFA's decision-makers, and what clearly does not matter is you, the supporter, your ease, your experience. Qatar can air-condition its stadiums as much as it likes. It can chill them like a cool box for a summer picnic by the sea. The moment you step outside that artificial atmosphere, the sun will be beating down at an average daily temperature of 106 degrees. There is so much that is wrong about Qatari success it is hard to know where to start.
So forget England's humiliation for a moment and consider this: up against Qatar for 2022, Australia got one vote. They were the only country that proved less popular than England, eliminated at the first stage in their bidding process. The country that hosted the greatest Olympics ever, in Sydney in 2000; a country that is defined by its love for sport and its prowess against all odds. This is the country that has missed out, so that the World Cup can be played in a state with a population of 1.7million that has never qualified for the tournament.
There are 38 cities in Qatar but roughly two-thirds of the population live in just one, Doha, the capital. The bid reflects this. There are stadiums to be upgraded in Al-Khor, Doha, Al Wakrah, Al Rayyan and Doha, plus stadiums to be built in Lusail, Doha, Ash Shamal, Doha, Umm Salal, Doha and Doha. Basically, Qatar is one big suburb of Doha. Lusail, where an 86,000-capacity stadium will be built, is 10 miles away, as is Umm Salal. Al Khor, Al Wakrah and Umm Salal all have populations of approximately 31,000, making them the same size as Ecclesfield in Sheffield. The official population of Ash Shamal is given as 5,400, less than half the size of Wombourne, Staffordshire. Ash Shamal is getting a stadium with a capacity of 45,330.
This is what the members of FIFA's ExCo voted for, with some specious context of legacy. In fact, the most telling figures are nothing to do with football at all, but can be found in something called the Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders. Its purpose is self-explanatory.
The United Kingdom's PFI ranking is 19, Australia is 18, Holland's journalists were the most free of any bidding country, ranked third. Qatar are 120th, Russia 20 places behind. FIFA have given their two World Cups to the countries in which the press is most muzzled, most powerless, most murdered - certainly in Russia - and least able to question their masters.
From afar, Vladimir Putin, the Prime Minister of Russia, sent a short message in which he criticised media scrutiny of FIFA activity, so the ExCo boys know they are safe in Moscow. Carry on diddling. Move along, folks, there is nothing to see here. If this is what had to happen to bring the World Cup to England, then we should want no part of it, ever.
If having outstanding facilities and passion for the game is not enough, so be it. This country has given too much to football - the rules for a start - to have to suffer humiliation at the hands of a cabal of charlatans. I am not a natural patriot, but get one thing straight: England could stop playing football for 1,000 years starting tomorrow and at the end of that time would still have contributed more to the game than Qatar. And the jury's out on Russia.
What sticks in the throat is that we knew all this, and still allowed ourselves to get sucked in. The correct response when meeting Jack Warner, the duplicitous, odious FIFA vice-president who has been allowed to rule the world from Trinidad and Tobago, is to summon the fraud squad, not shake him by the hand.
All you need to know about the men who made this decision is that FIFA requested, as a condition if England had mounted a successful bid, exclusion from a range of UK laws including one governing Banks and Foreign Exchange Operations. FIFA had asked for 'the unrestricted import and export of all foreign currencies to and from the UK' and, worse, they got it.
So, had England hosted the World Cup, FIFA executives were free to move around with sacks of unexplained cash, exempt from the inquisition of customs officers. Is it only me that is beginning to feel the need for a shower?
These are the men we have spent several years trying to impress. We creep, we crawl, we kow-tow, prostrating ourselves at the feet of crummy, puffed-up overlords. Our friends from FIFA ExCo, or the brotherhood as the utterly discredited Anson called them, in one of his many attempts to offer up press freedom as if it were just another two-bob friendly in Thailand.
Ultimately, good stadiums do not matter, good supporters do not matter, cost-effectiveness in a global recession does not matter, racism does not matter, history does not matter, the fans do not matter. And legacy doesn't matter. Not really. Don't kid yourselves on that one, please, the fig-leaf of altruism FIFA ExCo members always use to hide their naked greed. What legacy is there for South Africa when after one month of football costing billions, 50 per cent of the population remains below the poverty line?
Eastern Europe is yet to host a World Cup and that imbalance has been redressed: but think of the timing. Russia, a country that had to ban wheat exports for fear of famine this winter, is now to build nine football stadiums and a surrounding infrastructure from scratch. What are the locals to do with a new concrete bowl in Yekaterinburg? Eat it?
We sent the Three Lions - David Beckham, David Cameron and Prince William - to Zurich but we may as well have sent the Three Stooges. The bid was doomed from the start because FIFA does not like the power and wealth of the English club game, and hates being questioned or criticised when it makes another self-serving or toothless decision.
The shame for English football is not that the bid was lost but that it was lost as we tried to compete on their terms. We played FIFA's game; that horrible, schmoozing, lobbying, crawling, venal game, that we thought would grease us through the door. And it still wasn't enough.
So while we might feel deflated this morning, we'll get over it. And we are wiser and we know things now. So we'll continue to say exactly what we think about FIFA in the knowledge that we are getting under their skin. They hate it so much that they have fled to Nizhny Novograd and Ash Shamal to avoid us. So, for that at least, be proud.
When I was in Brazil, we always found more people (in the big cities) who at least understood Spanish. (maybe they don't speak it fluently, but they know what I was saying)
My gringo friends always had me translate (even to Spanish) so that the Brazilians would understand.
Women did get the right to vote there in 1999, things are obviously trending upwards!
The entire thing is pretty disgusting. I mean I knew FIFA was corrupt but picking these 2 countries is just flaunting it in everyone's faces.
LL is dead right about the slave labor that will build the stadiums/hotels over the next decade. Just google what went on during all of the development in Dubai. I know a guy that spent a 6 month stretch and then a 1 year stretch in Doha for work and I can't wait to get his take on it. I'll call him soon and share his thoughts with the board.
Now we need NK in 2026 and Sierra Leone in 2030. Nukes and blood diamonds for everybody.
Damn that article posted above is vicious. And pretty much spot-on. If we think we are pissed, I can't even imagine the meltdown happening in England. And Australia. One $#@!ing vote for Australia!
what's to prevent someone from starting up another soccer organization and inviting teams from around the world to compete?
I have no problem with Spain and England being very bitter, and completely agree that Qatar is probably the worst choice of all of them from a soccer fans perspective. However, given that we will have only seven countries between our 1994 and the 2022, I just don't see the US as having a huge right to bitch about it.
Part of the reason you spread around the games is because of the automatic bids.
The WC was critical for US soccer. Australia never got one yet still has developed its league. I would think that Canada will want one soon with the MLS teams.
The "Middle East" does make sense for a WC, although I think North Africa makes more sense. But the countries in the middle east don't fit the profile. (I would think that Iran would fit the profile from a size and success standpoint.) Qatar is a real crappy square peg in a round hole.
But what is done is done, and I still think that however silly this pick sounds, if I had to answer the question as to who would I rather handle the infrastructure for an event this -- Brazil, South Africa or Qatar, I think the answer is easily Qatar as strange as it sounds.
I'd rather the MLS get more latin and American than "English".
I mean, white boxers used to be all the rage in the US at one time. Some things just aren't meant to continue.
USA can bid for 2026 and if I am not mistaken Asia and Europe are NOT aloud to compete!!! That leaves Australia, Argentina and Mexico as the only competition with the USA. I know, FIFA would probably give it to Antarctica or some $#@!.
p.s. I just saw a video on ESPN where people in Qatar are going ridiculously crazy after the announcement.
Last edited by JNip; 12-03-2010 at 02:48 AM.
What's pathetic is if Iran did not have such an awful government, Iran not Qatar would have been the logical choice for first World Cup in the Middle East. You know a country with history
Few quick things:
1) I apologize for using the word "enemy" in my hyperbolic description of Sip. I tried to explain in the post that I only meant it in regards to this debate; however, after thinking about it late last night it was out of line.
2) I'm seriously considering a trip to Brazil in 2014. My wife is an ESL teacher and can probably travel for free as she's involved in programs that allow her to get paid to teach English in many countries throughout the world. My son (future Landon Donovan) would be 8 and probably would not be hurt by the soccer experience.
3) Per BigSoccer, I found a Qatarian(sp?) travel and tourism website that listed ----and I'm not making this up --- mirages under it's slate of tourist attractions.
4) One thing that has pissed me off is the reaction of the officials from both the U.S. and England. Yes, I know they're diplomats and are supposed to be gracious in defeat; however, if I was someone like Beckham or Prince William, I'd be going completely off on this sham.
5) Apparently, the PR guy that Qatar hired to handle this whole thing is an American. Thanks a lot you $#@!ing traitor.
Icono is right.
If there is a massive alternative energy development in the relatively near future, Qatar will cease to have a reason to exist. In 1940, 28,000 people lived in the entire $#@!ing country
It is an inhospitable petroleum storage tank.
Also, in defense of my perceived racism earlier in this thread, I actually know a Mexican. I used to work with him. He was really nice.
Just kidding. Seriously, I speak Spanish and probably have more Mexican friends than gringos due to my soccer associations and working in a Mexican restaurant. Additionally, I have a multi-year ongoing debate with my best soccer mate regarding the makeup of the U.S. national team. I love it when we get dual citizenship type players (Torres, Aguduelo, Altidore, Holden, Jermaine Jones); he absolutely hates it only wanting born and bred Americans on the team.
Just thought I'd add those two thoughts in case my intentions were somehow misread.
Don't discount that a major strike against the US is the difficulty and hurdles for people to get visas to enter the US. The perceived heavyhandedness of the DHS towards foreigners was a huge part of the whisper campaign against the US.
As I said before, the rumor is that China wants in on the game in 2026. If true, they'll be tough to beat knowing what we now know about FIFA. Yes, I know, that'd be 2 in Asia in a row. But geographically and culturally, Qatar and China might as well be on different continents. And I seriously doubt the FIFA ExCo or whatever gives a crap about something like that anyway so long as their pockets get sufficiently lined.
I am stunned that SIP is on here taking potshots at America as a player on the world stage.
seriously, you think the US "sucks" as a host and as a destination for the world? I work in a company full of expats, not one agrees with your sentiments. you think Qatar is okay to host? you want to go to Russia? If you want the Russian experience, don't eat for a few days and then spend a week in a cabin in Wyoming during January with power only for two hours a day.
holy $#@! I can't believe some of the crap i've read in this thread.
I think that as a general matter, Sip tends to overcriticise those who don't care about the soccer in the US. To me, that is an irrelevant criticism because I am not worried about whether EVERYONE is this country is obsessed with soccer. However, based on the completely over the top insults to Mexico as a country on this board, I think he keeps a really good humor about things.
It's weird for me, because I am a non-spanish speaking Mexican American who roots for USA but who's clear second favorite is Mexico. That's kind of like having OU as your second favorite, which I will admit sounds ghastly...
I was born in Australia and lived there for 5 years of my life, but i wasn't rooting for Oz to get the bid over the US. I just don't understand how you could HATE the country in which you have chosen to live.
I wonder how many shagsters actually still compete in soccer or played recently or ever kicked a soccer ball?
Last edited by JNip; 12-03-2010 at 11:31 AM.
Hey, guys....What say we stop arguing with each other and hop over to the baseball board to start an argument?
Last night I scored three goals at the south indoor complex :) and im 26
Last edited by JNip; 12-03-2010 at 11:58 AM.
Well, I play on two outdoor teams and one indoor team. My daughter plays on a traveling, competitive team. My son, who just turned 4, plays on a U-6 team and is currently the top scorer on the team. (They don't keep score but I do. ). I've also coached for a few years and am getting ready to become certified to coach all the way through U-18 so I can take over my son's team. So, can I post on here???
I'm not making this up but, as I type, the boy is in the living room practicing headers off the wall. Love that kid.
I retract my enemy statement but Mexico really does suck. I'm not sure how Tantric and Sip can't see that. As long as a large percentage of its citizens continue to flock to THIS country, I'll believe that. As long as hundreds die weekly from a corrupt, govt-assisted drug war I'll believe it. AND, as long as they continue to chant "Osama, Osama, Osama" in Mexico while our U-20 kids are playing qualifiers over there, I'll continue to believe it. And, as long as they continue to throw bags of piss and batteries at our full squad I'll continue to say as much.
Last edited by JNip; 12-03-2010 at 11:57 AM.
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