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    why do sex offenders get out of jail early?

    seems to me anyways, when I hear about sex offenders moving into neighborhoods, and you hear when they committed a crime..it was like within the last 4 years?


    reason I ask is cause yesterday in town one who was registered for life, ripped his gps anklet detector, now we don't know where he is...and I'd say there's chance he's gonna commit another sex crime...

    is it a judicial decision or do they get released eary cause of good behavior?


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    They either serve their full term (minus days for good behavior if earned) or they're paroled.

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    to make room for those serving federal mandatory drug sentences. Non-violent sex-offenders top the list of those eligible to move out to make room for these dangerous folks who had some personal-use narcotics on themselves. Even though they may not have been especially physically violent, little creedence is paid to how much psychological havoc they wrecked on their victims.

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    overcrowded jails

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCruiser View Post
    to make room for those serving federal mandatory drug sentences. Non-violent sex-offenders top the list of those eligible to move out to make room for these dangerous folks who had some personal-use narcotics on themselves. Even though they may not have been especially physically violent, little creedence is paid to how much psychological havoc they wrecked on their victims.
    Sex offenders aren't usually in federal prison.

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    No, but federal mandatory drug sentence convicts often serve their terms in non-federal prisons.

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    to make room for all the non-violent drug offenders.

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    To make room for all the non-violent drug offenders.

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    To make room for all of the non-violent drug offenders.

    Once, twice, three times the obvious. Gotta make room for the wretch that got caught with a dime-bag of weed at the ACL fest.

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    * Within 3 years of release, 2.5% of released rapists were rearrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for a new homicide.
    * Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43% of sex offenders versus 68% of non-sex offenders.
    * Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3% of sex offenders versus 1.3% of non-sex offenders.
    * On a given day in 1994 there were approximately 234,000 offenders convicted of rape or sexual assault under the care, custody, or control of corrections agencies; nearly 60% of these sex offenders are under conditional supervision in the community.
    * The median age of the victims of imprisoned sexual assaulters was less than 13 years old; the median age of rape victims was about 22 years.
    * An estimated 24% of those serving time for rape and 19% of those serving time for sexual assault had been on probation or parole at the time of the offense for which they were in State prison in 1991.
    * Of the 9,691 male sex offenders released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, 5.3% were rearrested for a new sex crime within 3 years of release.
    * Of released sex offenders who allegedly committed another sex crime, 40% perpetrated the new offense within a year or less from their prison discharge.

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    There is the whole question of what constitutes a sex offender as well - and what gets you into a "registry". We have lowered the bar so much that anything remotely sexually related qualifies. Personally I wish it was harder to qualify so we knew the ones on the register were really potentially dangerous.

    Now a potential NFL football player who had consensual sexual relations at age 16 or 17 with his 15 year old sister would be included, just to quote a recent example. Hell we shouldn't even know that story - let alone discuss the merits or hold that against him. Also included in this registry would be some horny ugly dude that tried to pay a police officer for sex.

    Don't think I care so much about those guys as the guy fresh out of prison for anal raping a 6 year old.

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    I also think it has to do with the lack of protest letters to the parole board. It may be much easier/preferable for the victim/survivor to remove him/herself from the situation entirely so as not to be reminded of such a traumatic experience. But those letters make a difference. I (along with others) have written letters on behalf to the victim a few times, and the parole was denied every time.

    Say what you will about the criminal justice system, but I do believe that TDCJ gives substantial credence to victim impact statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creasy View Post
    I also think it has to do with the lack of protest letters to the parole board. It may be much easier/preferable for the victim/survivor to remove him/herself from the situation entirely so as not to be reminded of such a traumatic experience. But those letters make a difference. I (along with others) have written letters on behalf to the victim a few times, and the parole was denied every time.

    Say what you will about the criminal justice system, but I do believe that TDCJ gives substantial credence to victim impact statements.
    Which is a damn shame since the criminal justice system should serve society as a whole, not individual victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    Which is a damn shame since the criminal justice system should serve society as a whole, not individual victims.
    It certainly is. And sexual assault being one of the most under-reported crimes does not help.

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    Its obvious that we need a prison colony somewhere to ship them all to.

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    "Sex Offender" is an incredibly broad term.
    Statatory Rape
    Distribution of child ponography
    Aggravated Rape
    Rape (as in date rape)
    incest

    All have different psychological and criminogenic implications. All have different rates of recidivism. That's why most states have levels based on circumstances of offense and pathology. Not sure if your guy is from MN or ND but am assuming MN. my guess is, given the community notification and your understanding that he is registered for life, is that he is a level III offender.

    In terms of your direct question, I could answer but the Minneapolis Police (probably via the DOC) have done a good job explaining it so I'll just link it and answer any follow ups as best I can.

    http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/poli...x-offender.asp

    If this person is so dangerous, why are they being released from prison in the first place? Minnesota is a state that has specific sentence lengths for specific crimes, known as determinate sentencing. When an offender is sentenced to prison by the judge, the length of required prison time had been previously established for that offense by the Guidelines Commission, and applies to anyone convicted of the same offense. Someone with no previous criminal offenses may have a shorter sentence than someone who has been in trouble before.

    In Minnesota, people are released from prison after serving two-thirds of their sentence with the last third to be served at a workhouse, halfway house, etc. While out on work release, offenders are being monitored by probation officers. At some point, the offender will have served the sentence mandated by law and must be released from prison and/or probation. Once the sentence is finished, neither the Minneapolis Police Department, nor the courts have the authority to tell the offender where they can live or work.
    Last edited by texashooch; 03-16-2010 at 04:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraciePie View Post
    Its obvious that we need a prison colony somewhere to ship them all to.
    Canada seems like a good choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tx 3 putt View Post
    overcrowded jails
    If we would $#@!ing end this stupid asinine bull$#@! war on drugs then the jails would not be over-crowded and the sex offenders could get their anuses offended in jail plenty of times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texashooch View Post
    "Sex Offender" is an incredibly broad term.
    Statatory Rape
    Distribution of child ponography
    Aggravated Rape
    Rape (as in date rape)
    incest

    All have different psychological and criminogenic implications. All have different rates of recidivism. That's why most states have levels based on circumstances of offense and pathology. Not sure if your guy is from MN or ND but am assuming MN. my guess is, given the community notification and your understanding that he is registered for life, is that he is a level III offender.

    In terms of your direct question, I could answer but the Minneapolis Police (probably via the DOC) have done a good job explaining it so I'll just link it and answer any follow ups as best I can.

    http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/poli...x-offender.asp
    interesting.

    i think hes nd..but hes got criminal history in mn nd ia and probably sd.

    but its still stupid to let him go. good info so far tho.

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    Cause prison rape helps transition people into functional members of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nivek View Post
    Cause prison rape helps transition people into functional members of society.
    That's why we shouldn't let them out. Its supposed to be punishment.

    Someone mentioned we needed a colony to send them to. How about Somalia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbone View Post
    That's why we shouldn't let them out. Its supposed to be punishment.

    Someone mentioned we needed a colony to send them to. How about Somalia?
    So you think every crime should carry mandatory life without parole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pimphand View Post
    If we would $#@!ing end this stupid asinine bull$#@! war on drugs then the jails would not be over-crowded and the sex offenders could get their anuses offended in jail plenty of times.
    Just because you are right, don't the ancient and mindless superstitions of a bunch of brain-washed people who think drugs make baby Jesus cry trump your common sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    So you think every crime should carry mandatory life without parole?
    Not every crime, just child molesters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraciePie View Post
    Not every crime, just child molesters.
    Child molesters aren't the only inmates who get raped

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraciePie View Post
    Its obvious that we need a prison colony somewhere to ship them all to.
    I think this may be the first valid reason for the state of Oklahoma to exist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    So you think every crime should carry mandatory life without parole?
    Not every crime. But yea, I'd like that for for sex offenders and violent felons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbone View Post
    Not every crime. But yea, I'd like that for for sex offenders and violent felons.
    I guess it's OK to want that, but here's a quick practical response. Such high penalties would result in a drastic reversal of the plea/trial rate, with wait times for a trial going from between 6 months and a year to between several years and a decade or longer. With no incentive of a lesser deal, there'd be no reason to plea, and every violent crime arrestee would go to trial. We'd need an unbelievable increase in the number of courts, judges, ADAs, defense lawyers, legal assistants, bailiffs, court reporters and other support staff just to maintain the status quo. Oh, and jury duty would have to become something like a bi-yearly requirement for all. And I don't think dropping drug crimes would provide much relief on the trial side, since possession trials (pleas, yes) aren't clogging up courts, as far as I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbone View Post
    Not every crime. But yea, I'd like that for for sex offenders and violent felons.
    Under the current definition of sex offender and violent felons? You would give life to anyone who receives an email with a picture of a naked 17 year old? Anyone who robs someone on the street with a knife? Anyone who streaks a football game?

    The expenses involved in such a plan would absolutely dwarf the bailout and universal health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    Under the current definition of sex offender and violent felons? You would give life to anyone who receives an email with a picture of a naked 17 year old? Anyone who robs someone on the street with a knife? Anyone who streaks a football game?

    The expenses involved in such a plan would absolutely dwarf the bailout and universal health care.
    Then we should just gas em and save a few bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    Under the current definition of sex offender and violent felons? You would give life to anyone who receives an email with a picture of a naked 17 year old? Anyone who robs someone on the street with a knife? Anyone who streaks a football game?

    The expenses involved in such a plan would absolutely dwarf the bailout and universal health care.
    Quit being purposefully obtuse. If in some ridiculous fantasy world we created an colony to drop our criminals onto, it would be relatively minor to add detailed language to existing colony-eligible crimes.

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    The easy answer to the OP's question is so that they can be reassigned to a new parish.

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    Adjust the process if necessary, and the definitions too. But I stand by my statement: I'd love to see a system where (true) sex offenders and violent criminals get completely taken out of society. Forever.

    Rapists, child molesters, child porn makers, murderers, armed robbery, assault with deadly weapon - gtfo, for good. I have zero sympathy for those that commit these types of crimes. The rules are pretty clear and I don't care what your situation is, its pretty easy to go through life without committing these acts. Who knows, maybe my system would act as a deterrent.

    For the record, since you asked: streaker, no; email recipient, no; knife mugger, Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by softlynow View Post
    I guess it's OK to want that, but here's a quick practical response. Such high penalties would result in a drastic reversal of the plea/trial rate, with wait times for a trial going from between 6 months and a year to between several years and a decade or longer. With no incentive of a lesser deal, there'd be no reason to plea, and every violent crime arrestee would go to trial. We'd need an unbelievable increase in the number of courts, judges, ADAs, defense lawyers, legal assistants, bailiffs, court reporters and other support staff just to maintain the status quo. Oh, and jury duty would have to become something like a bi-yearly requirement for all. And I don't think dropping drug crimes would provide much relief on the trial side, since possession trials (pleas, yes) aren't clogging up courts, as far as I know.
    ok, so make the automatic penalty death, and plea down to life without parole.

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