i just rewatched the entire series for about the 5th time, and it never fails to impress. season 2 gets better over multiple views, but it still hangs out in 3rd or 4th place (with season 1) behind 3 then 4.
season 5 is an abortion. it is godfather 3. it is major league 2. it is beverly hills cop 3. it isn't better than seasons of lost, or any other great show (i've never seen heroes and don't intend to). and it's not just because it's depressing or shows how a city is broken, it's just terrible and strays in so many different directions from what made the show great. and it's possibly because many of the great characters are gone, and the new ones aren't so great, but whatever it is, it is.
when season 4 was nearing the end, i actually got sad and slowed down, because i knew season 5 was coming. i hadn't seen it since it initially aired, and went in with high hopes. no.
the top hour long shows of the last 10 years are:
the west wing
for me, there's no need to put them in any kind of order, because they're all fantastic. breaking bad may sneak into that list soon as well. (disclaimer - i don't watch dexter, so that list was not meant as a slight to dex, i hear it's great, i just need to put the time in)
i think gandorf is a bit too hard on season 5. yeah, it wasn't near as good as 1-4 and the newspaper storyline + the serial killer storyline were the opposite of what had made the show so great, but the bubbles storyline was fantastic, omar going after marlo was good, seeing the evolution of michael and dookie was good and the last few episodes where they tied everything together were very good.
i'd rank it behind every season of mad men, but ahead of seasons 5 and 6 of lost and better than a season or two of the shield.
Lost is bat$#@! retarded. They lost me with the polar bear.
The fall, trial and return to power of Clay Davis in season 5 was awesome.
“I’m out there doing the lords work for you Erv! You know it. Who got that pay raise from the council?! Just enough for you to get that new patio, but not enough for that guy from Pittsburgh to take your place."
“I’m going to remember this moment Erv. I’m going to hold on to this moment. Yea.”
"You give me $20,000 for a basketball and an air pump, I'm gonna pull goodly on that for whatever and whoever comes my way. Excuse me if I didn't ask that old arthritis woman for a receipt, or the young mother who needed Similac to sign a damn piece of paper so I don't have to be up here in this damn box now explaining to people who've never been in our neck of the woods how things truly are."
episodes 8-10 of S5 were pretty good. 1-7 had me pissed off as I watched them.
The premise of this thread kind of amuses me. It was started after the Lost series finale because r2k38238 was irritated that some Lost fans were saying Lost is their favorite show.
Who cares what someone else's favorite show is? Of course if you survey a bunch of Lost fans, or read the Lost threads, right after the series finale has aired, a bunch of them are gonna rank it as their top show. Of course somewhere I could find an American Idol message board where all of those idiots think that is the best show. Good for them, I guess.
I really don't feel the need to convince someone that their favorite anything isn't actually the best because they haven't yet sampled my favorite of that thing. I don't care if it's a TV show, movie, book, music, food, whatever. Everyone has their own tastes.
Only on shaggy do you have a ranking of things where people are considered officially wrong if they don't agree.
-LCM must be your favorite BBQ.
-The Wire must be your favorite TV show.
-The Road must be your favorite book.
If someone disagrees with stuff like this, they get treated like a Sooner. Give it a rest people.
i love lost and the wire. i feel like the only people who think it's a joke that they can exist in the same conversation are hardcore wire fans who have never seen lost.
people who have seen both typically love both. of course no one who doesn't love lost is going to sit through 6 seasons i suppose.
To me (and again, not arguing or anything, just staing my stance), LOST is good and The Wire is great. And Jim Collins tells me that makes them enemies. Perhaps that's why there's so much fuss between the 2 camps??
Not sure I understand all the hate for The Wire Season 5. Sure it's the weakest but I think some of that is due to the fact that that didn't have 2 or 3 more episodes to cover all they really wanted to cover. I felt like the focus on the downfall of the paper fit with the show's general direction. The fake serial killer was the only thing that didn't really fit with the rest of the series, but I didn't mind it too much because it was kind of funny and they had to find a way to "kill off" McNulty.
Oh, and Lost was great but it was damned near unwatchable for half of seasons 2 and 3. I'll agree with whoever earlier said though that a couple individual episodes of Lost top anything else that's ever been on TV.
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The Wire, Mad Men, and Deadwood are the holy trinity for me. Lost was definitely a lot of fun but I doubt it stands the test of time like those three will.
season 2 of lost drug for a bit and was boring when it did so and season 3 started off rocky but ended fantastically (i still say that the best run of episodes that show ever did were the last 8-10 episodes of season 3), but seasons 2 and 3 were still better than 5 and 6 which went way too far w/ the si-fi $#@!.
agree that at it's best ("walkabout," "through the looking glass," "the constant") it put out some of the best episodes of television i have ever seen.
also agree with wild turkey that it is kind of dumb to get in huge pissing contests over this, but hey, it's an internet message board.
I rank my wire series 4,3,1,5,2 but they are all fantastic IMO. Season 2 was just a big change initially watching the series that it through you off a bit, and seemed to drag in some areas. Multiple viewings of that season changed my opinion of it, as I used to hate that season and would contemplate skipping it when rewatching the series. Season 5 is dampered by the serial killer angle, and the newspaper guy, and I am sure if HBO had given the regular 13 episode season it might have turned out better. But many memorable moments in season 5, here are a couple of my favorites...
32415. About to watch it the second time through.
Love both The Wire and LOST, but I think The Wire is better.
Mad Men may be better than both when it's all said and done.
Breaking Bad is creeping up there. Dexter is holding steady (Catching up on Season 5 now). Still making my way through BSG.
I'm re-watching Season 2 of the Wire right now. I $#@!ing love this season. The port angle is greatness to me, mainly because it's a group of people and a profession I knew jack $#@! about before watching this show.
I really liked season 2 also. Season 5 is so bad in my mind because so much of what made The Wire great was it's realism and then they went and tried to throw all that away with the ridiculous fake serial killer/newspaper storyline.
I'm just into episode 3 of season 5 the wire; some of you are being a buzzkill about it, it doesn't appear THAT bad yet...oh, and I've wanted snoop dead since I saw her, annoying as $#@!, hopefully that comes soon....
if any of you wire fans have DirecTV, you really should watch it on 101 network. they are gong straight through the series week by week. they are about 5-6 episodes in on season 2, so I am glad to hear it gets even better from here
but what's cool about the 101 is they have a little snippet before each episode where David Simon talks about each episode and where the inspirations and ideas came from. Makes the show even better watching that before each episode
Have some rep for placing the seasons of the wire in correct order...my opinion:
It has been so long since I watched the Wire that I can barely remember where season 3 ended and season 4 began
The one thing everyone can agree on is the relative weakness of 5
My order was 2 or 3, 1, 4, 5
Season 5 is worth it just for the finale
Since we are playing this game again,
3, 1, 2, 4, 5.
So that is pretty close to mouse and lincoln.
Watching S1 of The Wire right now. Awesome show if not a bit cliche at times. Only other show I can compare it to is Mad Men and I like Mad Men a bit more at this point.
Gonna admit that I get confused watching The Wire at times because some of the black guys look the same to me. Does that make me racist?
Is this your first time watching?
This is bull$#@! everybody knows Firefly is the best show period. All 14 episodes are good-great.
As for peak I take BSG during the new caprica sub plot.
Comedy: Arrested Development and Futurama.
Lost was pure garbage in season 2 and I dropped them then, will give them another chance though.
Finished seeing Farscape recently and only season 4 was good-great, the wrapup/miniseries was an abortion.
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Some of you suck at life, The Wire is the best show of all time next to The Sopranos.
I know I have asked this before, but can we Sticky one The Wire thread? A thread is bumped every month or so.
3 points:If you haven't seen The Wire..............
stop saying that LOST is the best show ever. You should be kicked in the balls or in the ovaries if you haven't watched The Wire after all of us that have seen it have been telling you to watch it for years. That is all.
First, I said if you haven't watched The Wire, not if you liked LOST better than The Wire.
Second, I was telling people to get their $#@! together and watch The Wire because 99.99999999999% of the Shag said it is great and have been talking about it for years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicid...illing_Streets. Add in the fact that Burns was a detective for the Baltimore City po-lice, as well as a public school teacher and you will see that their portrayal is a lot closer to real life than most other "cop shows".
Agree with many that have said Season 5 gets a bad rap. I might rank it at the bottom, but it is still dynamite television. The show was always about Baltimore, not the drug game. The city is in utter decay at nearly every level, which only allows the drug game and violence to thrive. There are a lot of rewarding and heart breaking moments throughout that season.
Your OP was directed at Lost fans, and you told them to quit declaring it the best show ever. That's gonna start a bit of a pissing match, whether you wanted to or not.
Just finished watching season 2 of The Wire last night. I was hoping they were going to get the Greek at the airport but no dice. Ziggy ain't gonna make it in prison... The FBI counter-terrorism guy needs to be skull $#@!ed for leaking the information to the Greek. Stringer is in for an interesting Season 3.
People who like LOST - Not these people
People who like The Wire - Not these people
People who have seen LOST - Not these people
People who have seen The Wire - Not these people
People who have seen both LOST and The Wire - Not these people
People who have seen both LOST and The Wire but like LOST better - Not these people
People who have not seen LOST - Not these people
People who have not seen The Wire - These people because they haven't listened to us telling them to watch (not necessarily like) The Wire forever.
People who have seen LOST and have not seen The Wire and think that LOST is the best show ever. - These people
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