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    Quote Originally Posted by Staboned View Post
    anyone think maybe we shouldn't 3 million folks with access? our military and intelligence is bloated and outdated, just like the rest of our government. i don't see any of this as a threat. i see it as a wakeup call for us to get our $#@! together.
    yeah, that's 1% of the population of this country. that's a lot of $#@!ing people accessing highly restricted material. i would seriously expect this number to be in thousands. anyone outside the thousands needs to go through a gatekeeper and explain why they need certain info.

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    Payback: Bank That Froze Julian Assange's Bank Account Has Now Been Taken Down By Hackers

    Earlier today we noted how the Swiss bank Switzerland Post Finance (a bank associated with the Swiss post office) had frozen Julian Assange's bank account for his defense fund.

    Well, payback. As NYT reports, their site has now been taken offline, and a group calling itself Operation Payback on Twitter claims credit for the DDOS.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-b...#ixzz17OsjHDka
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    the rape charges might be BS.. Swedish rape laws are strange.. Broken condom? Not wearing a condom the the second time?

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    There's not a shred of doubt in my mind those charges are trumped up.

    If Obama keeps sending this guy strongly-worded letters and taking what seems to deliberate inaction, I wonder what Assange has on the administration. The only reason I can figure this guy is still alive is the massive amount of leverage he must hold. I'm starting to really like this guy.
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    I can't say I'm familiar with Swedish rape laws, but those are the weakest charges I've ever heard of. Turning him into a martyr using a broken condom seems really dumb.

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    IN 1958 a young Rupert Murdoch, then owner and editor of Adelaide's The News, wrote: "In the race between secrecy and truth, it seems inevitable that truth will always win."

    His observation perhaps reflected his father Keith Murdoch's expose that Australian troops were being needlessly sacrificed by incompetent British commanders on the shores of Gallipoli. The British tried to shut him up but Keith Murdoch would not be silenced and his efforts led to the termination of the disastrous Gallipoli campaign.

    Nearly a century later, WikiLeaks is also fearlessly publishing facts that need to be made public.

    I grew up in a Queensland country town where people spoke their minds bluntly. They distrusted big government as something that could be corrupted if not watched carefully. The dark days of corruption in the Queensland government before the Fitzgerald inquiry are testimony to what happens when the politicians gag the media from reporting the truth.

    These things have stayed with me. WikiLeaks was created around these core values. The idea, conceived in Australia, was to use internet technologies in new ways to report the truth.

    WikiLeaks coined a new type of journalism: scientific journalism. We work with other media outlets to bring people the news, but also to prove it is true. Scientific journalism allows you to read a news story, then to click online to see the original document it is based on. That way you can judge for yourself: Is the story true? Did the journalist report it accurately?
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-d...-1225967241332


    US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan. NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn't find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published.
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    Assange has been accused of four sexual assault allegations in connection with two separate incidents when he visited Sweden in August.
    Gemma Lindfield, for the Swedish authorities, told the London court the first complainant, Miss A, said she was victim of "unlawful coercion" on the night of August 14 in Stockholm.
    The court heard Assange is accused of using his body weight to hold her down in a sexual manner.
    The second charge alleged Assange "sexually molested" Miss A by having sex with her without a condom when it was her "express wish" one should be used.
    The third charge claimed Assange "deliberately molested" Miss A on August 18 "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity".
    The fourth charge accused Assange of having sex with a second woman, Miss W, on August 17 without a condom while she was asleep at her Stockholm home.
    These charges are remarkably consistent in that they can can all be proved with no evidence or that consensual sex is not a defense because of the way the accusers lay out the facts.


    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...aims_In_Sweden

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Hooshamazoo View Post
    If Obama keeps sending this guy strongly-worded letters and taking what seems to deliberate inaction [...]
    The administration has done plenty. They know the way to stop it is not by a bullet to the head. They'll stop it by (financially) strangling it to death.

    Amazon? Pressured to stop hosting Wikileaks on their servers.
    EveryDNS? Pressured to stop providing DNS for Wikileaks' servers.
    PayPal? Pressured to close Wikileaks' account.
    Visa & MasterCard? Pressured to suspend payment acceptance on Wikileaks' website.

    I was expecting the banks to freeze Wikileaks' assets. But I doubt Wikileaks had/has any assets in American banks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grammer Police View Post
    ... I was expecting the banks to freeze Wikileaks' assets. But I doubt Wikileaks had/has any assets in American banks.
    See post #202 above.

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    No government on the planet has declared the actions of media website WikiLeaks "illegal," but one of the largest credit card companies in the world now has.

    MasterCard Worldwide said Monday afternoon that it would block any further electronic donations to WikiLeaks, claiming they are engaged in "illegal activities" that violate the company's terms of service.

    "MasterCard rules prohibit customers from directly or indirectly engaging in or facilitating any action that is illegal," company spokesman Chris Monteiro told C-Net late Monday.

    On Tuesday morning, Visa Europe also said it would suspend payments to WikiLeaks, but did not pass judgment on the group's legality. A Visa spokeswoman told the BBC that the firm had launched an investigation into their business with WikiLeaks and that not all payments could be stopped right away.

    Thanks to the credit card carriers' decisions, traditional postal mail now stands as WikiLeaks' only remaining financial lifeline.

    A request for comment lodged with MasterCard's corporate public relations office, seeking elaboration on what it considers "illegal" about WikiLeaks' actions, went unanswered.

    Both credit card providers will still allow electronic donations to controversial and hate-based groups like the Ku Klux Klan, according to The Guardian.

    Approximately 1 percent of the 250,000+ US State Department cables have been published online and the vast majority have been released by professional news organizations.

    MasterCard has not taken similar actions against papers like The Guardian or The New York Times, which have released and described many more secret diplomatic cables than WikiLeaks.
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    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/m...-site-illegal/

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    Glenn Greenwald has an interesting post highlighting inaccuracies (propaganda for those so inclined) in the media regarding wikileaks:

    http://www.salon.com/news/wikileaks/...2/07/wikileaks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Hooshamazoo View Post
    There's not a shred of doubt in my mind those charges are trumped up.

    If Obama keeps sending this guy strongly-worded letters and taking what seems to deliberate inaction, I wonder what Assange has on the administration. The only reason I can figure this guy is still alive is the massive amount of leverage he must hold. I'm starting to really like this guy.
    I like him too and we need more people like him.

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    WASHINGTON – In a disclosure of some of the most sensitive information yet revealed by WikiLeaks, the website has put out a secret cable listing sites worldwide that the U.S. considers critical to its national security. U.S. officials said the leak amounts to giving a hit list to terrorists.
    $#@! them. I support disclosure of domestic government documents -- such as communications between business and government officials -- but I think the releasing of documents that hurt U.S. security and foreign relations is being done with malicious intent.
    Last edited by zzzz; 12-07-2010 at 06:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzz View Post
    $#@! them. I support disclosure of domestic government documents -- such as communications between business and government officials -- but I think the releasing of documents that hurt U.S. security and foreign relations is being done with malicious intent.
    You got a link on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzz View Post
    $#@! them. I support disclosure of domestic government documents -- such as communications between business and government officials -- but I think the releasing of documents that hurt U.S. security and foreign relations is being done with malicious intent.
    You're right, Assange is so malicious he "appealed to the U.S. ambassador in London, asking the U.S. government to confidentially help him determine what needed to be redacted from the cables before they were publicly released."



    http://openanthropology.files.wordpr.../gc-letter.pdf

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    From what I have read, mostly links from Drudge, I find it scary as $#@! that you can be locked up on fake charges and held without bail. Really $#@!ing scary. But then it's europe, what do you expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexasHammer View Post
    From what I have read, mostly links from Drudge, I find it scary as $#@! that you can be locked up on fake charges and held without bail. Really $#@!ing scary. But then it's europe, what do you expect.
    Our european allies have lots of laws that would give the ACLU bleeding uclers and wouldn't pass SCOTUS muster by a long shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexasHammer View Post
    From what I have read, mostly links from Drudge, I find it scary as $#@! that you can be locked up on fake charges and held without bail. Really $#@!ing scary. But then it's europe, what do you expect.

    You're just $#@!ing with me now aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armybrat View Post
    Our european allies have lots of laws that would give the ACLU bleeding uclers and wouldn't pass SCOTUS muster by a long shot.
    In their minds "groups" have rights, people not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexasHammer View Post
    From what I have read, mostly links from Drudge, I find it scary as $#@! that you can be locked up on fake charges and held without bail. Really $#@!ing scary. But then it's europe, what do you expect.
    John McCain and Joe Lieberman wipe their asses with Habeas Corpus toilet paper while singing Americaland Uber Alles.

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    Diplomatic papers reveal that Libyan officials "convinced UK embassy officers that the consequences if Megrahi were to die in prison… would be harsh, immediate and not easily remedied."

    Colonel Gaddafi threatened to cut Britain "off at the knees" if the terrorist wasn't sent home.

    No word in the papers as to whether BP drilling rights were mentioned, as has been rumored. However, we assume BP and other British interests in the area would have been kicked out of the area. Likewise, Libya may have cut the flow of oil exports to energy-starved Britain.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/wikil...#ixzz17WhoariH

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    Lieberman wants the NYT investigated for espionage:
    A leading US senator suggested tonight that the New York Times and other news organisations publishing the US embassy cables being released by WikiLeaks could be investigated for breaking US espionage laws.

    Joe Lieberman, the chair of the Senate homeland security committee, told Fox News: "To me the New York Times has committed at least an act of, at best, bad citizenship, but whether they have committed a crime is a matter of discussion for the justice department."
    ...
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...s-investigated

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    "Are other media outlets that have posted what WikiLeaks has put out there also culpable in this and could be charged with something?" Lee asked.

    Lieberman responded that the question raised sensitive issues, because "it gets into America's First Amendment." But he said that, since WikiLeaks had certainly violated the Espionage Act, it was a real question whether the Times had also done so by accepting it.

    "I'm not here to make a final judgment on that, but to me the New York Times has committed at least an act of bad citizenship," he said. "Whether they've committed a crime, I think that bears a very intensive inquiry by the Justice Department."
    Video: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_793293.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernorange View Post
    This + TSA's rumored mandate to treat protesting airline passengers as domestic terrorists = slippery-ass slope.

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    The Afghanistan cable (dated June 24, 2009) discusses a meeting between Afghan Interior Minister Hanif Atmar and US assistant ambassador Joseph Mussomeli. Prime among Atmar's concerns was a party partially thrown by DynCorp for Afghan police recruits in Kunduz Province.

    Many of DynCorp's employees are ex-Green Berets and veterans of other elite units, and the company was commissioned by the US government to provide training for the Afghani police. According to most reports, over 95 percent of its $2 billion annual revenue comes from US taxpayers.

    And in Kunduz province, according to the leaked cable, that money was flowing to drug dealers and pimps. Pimps of children, to be more precise. (The exact type of drug was never specified.)

    Since this is Afghanistan, you probably already knew this wasn't a kegger. Instead, this DynCorp soiree was a bacha bazi ("boy-play") party, much like the ones uncovered earlier this year by Frontline.

    For those that can't or won't click the link, bacha bazi is a pre-Islamic Afghan tradition that was banned by the Taliban. Bacha boys are eight- to 15-years-old. They put on make-up, tie bells to their feet and slip into scanty women's clothing, and then, to the whine of a harmonium and wailing vocals, they dance seductively to smoky roomfuls of leering older men.

    After the show is over, their services are auctioned off to the highest bidder, who will sometimes purchase a boy outright. And by services, we mean anal sex: The State Department has called bacha bazi a "widespread, culturally accepted form of male rape." (While it may be culturally accepted, it violates both Sharia law and Afghan civil code.)
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    http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairba...any_helped.php

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    Anonymous has responded:



    MasterCard attacked by voluntary botnet after WikiLeaks decision





    mastercard.com is currently under a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack, making the site unavailable from some locations.

    The attack is being orchestrated by Operation Payback and forms part of an ongoing campaign by Anonymous. They announced the attack's success a short while ago on their Twitter stream:


    Operation Payback is announcing targets via its website, Twitter stream and Internet Relay Chat (IRC) channels. To muster the necessary volume of traffic to take sites offline, they are inviting people to take part in a 'voluntary' botnet by installing a tool called LOIC (Low Orbit Ion Cannon – a fictional weapon of mass destruction popularised by computer games such as Command & Conquer).
    The LOIC tool connects to an IRC server and joins an invite-only 'hive' channel, where it can be updated with the current attack target. This allows Operation Payback to automatically reconfigure the entire botnet to switch to a different target at any time.
    Yesterday, Operation Payback successfully brought down the PostFinance.ch website after the Swiss bank decided to close Julian Assange's bank account.
    Later in the day, they also launched an attack against the Swedish prosecutor's website, www.aklagare.se. The attack was successful for several hours, but now appears to have stopped. The Director of Prosecution, Ms. Marianne Ny, stated yesterday that Swedish prosecutors are completely independent in their decision making, and that there had been no political pressure. The same group also successfully took down the official PayPal blog last week, after WikiLeaks' PayPal account was suspended.
    As more companies distance themselves from WikiLeaks, we would not be surprised to see additional attacks taking place over the coming days. Concurrent attacks against the online payment services of MasterCard, Visa and PayPal would have a significant impact on online retailers, particularly in the run up to Christmas.
    Although denial of service attacks are illegal in most countries, Operation Payback clearly has a sufficient supply of volunteers who are willing to take an active role in the attacks we have seen so far. They are a force to be reckoned with.
    http://news.netcraft.com/archives/20...-decision.html

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    Sorry, one more bump in relation to this. I do wonder if it should be a separate thread.

    http://blog.securetrading.com/2010/1...ro-3-d-secure/

    MasterCard SecureCode is currently down. This means that all MasterCard and Maestro transactions cannot be processed via 3-D Secure. This is affecting all payment service providers and is not SecureTrading specific.

    That is quite a hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MC Fresh Breath View Post
    Sorry, one more bump in relation to this. I do wonder if it should be a separate thread.

    http://blog.securetrading.com/2010/1...ro-3-d-secure/




    That is quite a hit.
    Until I read this post, I was about to say, "Well, what good is shutting down a web site? I mean, sure it's a complete inconvenience and there may be some opportunity cost associated with the downtime, but the site will be back up in a day or two. What's the issue?" Now I see there is at least one direct implication of downtime, though it's still temporary. While at the risk of being whisked away in a black helicopter, I celebrate the Anonymous Payback campaign, but I fail to really see what impact it's going to make.
    Last edited by TJ; 12-08-2010 at 01:09 PM.

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    ^^^^

    Not sure, either what the impact will be. Hell, it may just give more arguments to those who want that "internet kill switch."

    I do find the chaos interesting, and if it was this easy to set up, publicly tweet, and even have a spokesperson for, what would some group with truly dedicated resources be able to do?

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    Shouldn't take too much to DDOS Twitter. You could get a classroom of 3rd graders to all use the Twitter search at the same time to bring that thing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MC Fresh Breath View Post
    ... what would some group with truly dedicated resources be able to do?
    You mean like a Russian spam king with half a million zombie computers at his disposal?

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    Lolz on twitter, yeah it seems to fail pretty well on its own. Also, how would you tweet about your attacks if you take it down?

    bernorange, yeah, I've read of some pretty scary botnets sitting out there on slashdot.

    "Researchers are tracking a new botnet that has become one of the more active DDoS networks on the Internet since its emergence early last month. The botnet, dubbed 'Darkness,' is being controlled by several domains hosted in Russia and its operators are boasting that it can take down large sites with as few as 1,000 bots. The Darkness botnet is seen as something of a successor to the older Black Energy and Illusion botnets and researchers at the Shadowserver Foundation took a look at the network's operation and found that it is capable of generating large volumes of attack traffic. 'Upon testing, it was observed that the throughput of the attack traffic directed simultaneously at multiple sites was quite impressive,' Shadowserver's analysts wrote in a report on the Darkness botnet. 'It now appears that "Darkness" is overtaking Black Energy as the DDoS bot of choice. There are many ads and offers for DDoS services using "Darkness." It is regularly updated and improved and of this writing is up to version 7. There also appear to be no shortage of buyers looking to add "Darkness" to their botnet arsenal.'"
    I like how they can sell DDoS attacks. Scary.

    Pretty OT to the subject of wikileaks, but the interesting thing (to me) about these attacks is people are volunteering their computers to be part of the bot, unlike the usual infected machines.
    Last edited by MC Fresh Breath; 12-08-2010 at 01:40 PM. Reason: infinity.puts 'ou sucks'

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    You can't make this $#@! up:
    U.S. to Host World Press Freedom Day in 2011

    Press Statement
    Philip J. Crowley
    Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Public Affairs
    Washington, DC
    December 7, 2010

    The United States is pleased to announce that it will host UNESCO’s World Press Freedom Day event in 2011, from May 1 - May 3 in Washington, D.C. UNESCO is the only UN agency with the mandate to promote freedom of expression and its corollary, freedom of the press.

    The theme for next year’s commemoration will be 21st Century Media: New Frontiers, New Barriers. The United States places technology and innovation at the forefront of its diplomatic and development efforts. New media has empowered citizens around the world to report on their circumstances, express opinions on world events, and exchange information in environments sometimes hostile to such exercises of individuals’ right to freedom of expression. At the same time, we are concerned about the determination of some governments to censor and silence individuals, and to restrict the free flow of information. We mark events such as World Press Freedom Day in the context of our enduring commitment to support and expand press freedom and the free flow of information in this digital age.

    Highlighting the many events surrounding the celebration will be the awarding of the UNESCO Guillermo Cano World Press Freedom Prize at the National Press Club on May 3rd. This prize, determined by an independent jury of international journalists, honors a person, organization or institution that has notably contributed to the defense and/or promotion of press freedom, especially where risks have been undertaken.

    The Newseum will host the first two days of events, which will engage a broad array of media professionals, students, and citizen reporters on themes that address the status of new media and internet freedom, and challenges and opportunities faced by media in our rapidly changing world.

    The State Department looks forward to working with UNESCO and the U.S. executive committee spearheaded by the Center for International Media Assistance at the National Endowment for Democracy, IREX, and the United Nations Foundation and the many civil society organizations they have brought together in support of the organization of events unfolding in Washington.
    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm

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    NEXT TARGET: WWW.VISA.COM | TR:30 MINS. GET YOUR WEAPONS READY
    From the twitter page.

    And just like that, visa.com goes down.

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    This "bacha bazi" business is very disturbing. WTF?

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    I wonder how all the "social conservative" neocons will reconcile their zeal for war with state sponsored (literal) rape of young boys.

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    Anon is awesome, scary.

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    A thought: I would hazard a bet there are more than a few Anonymous members sporting regular day jobs as various system and network admins at some major NOCs or datacenters. They undoubtedly have access to sensitive information. It'd be interesting if this movement actually transcended the Internet and started spilling over into work environments. Could you imagine if Anonymous actually took down the Visa site? I mean wiped back-ups/drives, cleared databases, deleted front-end, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernorange View Post
    I wonder how all the "social conservative" neocons will reconcile their zeal for war with state sponsored (literal) rape of young boys.
    The same way they reconcile their zeal for war with Jesus' teachings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Hooshamazoo View Post
    A thought: I would hazard a bet there are more than a few Anonymous members sporting regular day jobs as various system and network admins at some major NOCs or datacenters. They undoubtedly have access to sensitive information. It'd be interesting if this movement actually transcended the Internet and started spilling over into work environments. Could you imagine if Anonymous actually took down the Visa site? I mean wiped back-ups/drives, cleared databases, deleted front-end, etc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bernorange View Post
    I wonder how all the "social conservative" neocons will reconcile their zeal for war with state sponsored (literal) rape of young boys.
    A social conservative is not a neocon. I am a social conservative who did not support OIF. For that matter, I still don't get why we did ODS in 1992.
    Last edited by TheTexasHammer; 12-08-2010 at 08:13 PM.

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    Desert Storm was one of the best examples of a good decision to fight, ever in history. Saddam was clearly wrong. Failing to act would have cost us a fortune in sky high oil prices. We lost almost nobody. We turned a profit because countries like Japan paid a lot because they couldn't send troops. And we got the hell out after winning the military fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexasHammer View Post
    A social conservative is not a neocon. ...
    I never claimed there was a one to one correspondence, but many of the 2008 GOP POTUS candidates and many GOP members of Congress fall in this boat.

    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeHorn View Post
    Desert Storm was one of the best examples of a good decision to fight, ever in history. Saddam was clearly wrong. ...
    Saddam: USA, I can haz Kuwait?
    USA: We don't care.
    Saddam: <invades Kuwait>
    USA: No, just kidding we destroy you now.

    http://www.rense.com/general69/41.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeHorn View Post
    Desert Storm was one of the best examples of a good decision to fight, ever in history. Saddam was clearly wrong. Failing to act would have cost us a fortune in sky high oil prices. We lost almost nobody. We turned a profit because countries like Japan paid a lot because they couldn't send troops. And we got the hell out after winning the military fight.
    Sure, it was "justified". But my point has always been - who gives a $#@! which evil dictator controls which oil pumps, they're all the same. There are hundreds of wars that have passed unnoticed by history, as that one would have. I mean, it's $#@!ing Kuwait. Just because Saddam was an $#@!, that doesn't mean we were the ones who had to play hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by bernorange View Post
    I never claimed there was a one to one correspondence, but many of the 2008 GOP POTUS candidates and many GOP members of Congress fall in this boat.
    Yeah, the pols, they do some things differently. It's pretty stupid. The Dems are the dangerous party, the Pubs are the stupid party. My opinion on that subject is nuanced, and politics can't handle that kind of thing very well.
    Last edited by TheTexasHammer; 12-08-2010 at 10:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernorange View Post
    I wonder how all the "social conservative" neocons will reconcile their zeal for war with state sponsored (literal) rape of young boys.
    They don't. Just as you don't equate your support for business as usual after 911 as supporting the Taliban and their oppression of women.

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    In what appears to be a calculated dig at the US, the Kremlin urged non-governmental organisations to think seriously about "nominating Assange as a Nobel Prize laureate".

    "Public and non-governmental organisations should think of how to help him," the source from inside president Dmitry Medvedev's office told Russian news agencies. Speaking in Brussels, where Medvedev was attending a Russia-EU summit yesterday , the source went on: "Maybe, nominate him as a Nobel Prize laureate."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...el-peace-prize

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    I hope he mans up and starts leaking Russian $#@!. Then I'll respect him more. He won't live long, but then he'll really be practicing what he's preaching.

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    amazon is today's target. That should be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texhorn View Post
    amazon is today's target. That should be interesting.
    Now there's a target that depends heavily on uptime especially during the holiday season. I'm actually rooting for Anonymous, is that bad?

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