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    Off Topic with respect to wikileaks (for now???):

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    Russia persecuted Mikhail Khodorkovsky in plain sight when he let known his political aspirations.
    Jailed Russian oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky was sentenced to six more years in prison Thursday following a trial seen as payback for his defiance of Vladimir Putin.

    Judge Viktor Danilkin sentenced Khodorkovsky to 14 years after convicting him of stealing oil from his own company and laundering the proceeds. The 14-year sentence, which was what prosecutors had demanded, will be counted from his 2003 arrest and include a previous term in prison. Khodorkovsky is in the final year of an eight-year prison sentence.

    Putin, now prime minister, is seen as the driving force behind the unrelenting legal attack on Khodorkovsky, who challenged him early in his presidency. As he considers a return to the presidency in 2012, Putin appears unwilling to risk the possibility that a freed Khodorkovsky could help lead his political foes.

    The outcome of the second trial exposes how little has changed under President Dmitry Medvedev despite his promises to strengthen the rule of law and make courts an independent branch of government.

    "It's a very cruel and absurd sentence that proves the well-known fact that Russia has no independent courts," said Lyudmila Alexeyeva, a veteran rights activist and chairwoman of the Moscow Helsinki Group. "An independent court would have acquitted the defendants and punished the investigators who concocted the charges."

    Following a 20-month trial, the judge convicted Khodorkovsky and his business partner Platon Lebedev on charges of stealing almost $30 billion worth of the oil that his Yukos company produced from 1998 to 2003 and laundering the proceeds. Lebedev also was sentenced to 14 years.

    Defense lawyers said much of the judge's verdict was copied from the indictment and the prosecutors' final arguments.

    The defense called the charges ridiculous, saying they reflected a lack of understanding of the oil business, including the payment of transit fees and export duties. Numerous witnesses, including current and former government officials, testified that Khodorkovsky could not have stolen what amounted to almost all of the oil Yukos had produced.

    The charges also contradicted the first trial, in which Khodorkovsky was convicted of evading taxes on Yukos profits.

    Danilkin's conduct during the trial had raised some hopes among Khodorkovsky's family and supporters that he would prove to be more independent than the judge in the previous trial, who openly supported the prosecutors. Those hopes were dashed as soon as Danilkin began to read the verdict.

    "They must have tortured him to get him to say what he did," said Khodorkovsky's mother, Marina. "He has put his title of judge in shame."

    Khodorkovsky had angered Putin by funding opposition parties in parliament, which at the time had the power to oppose Kremlin policies and influence the choice of prime minister. He also pursued his own oil export plans independent of the state pipeline system, and publicly questioned the appearance of Kremlin corruption.

    "The court decision has nothing to do with the law or justice," said Boris Nemtsov, a former deputy prime minister who is now among the leaders of the opposition. "It's Putin's personal vendetta."

    The guilty verdict was widely condemned in the West as being driven by politics rather than the rule of law. The criticism, however, only angered Russia's government, which pointedly told the U.S. and Europe to mind their own business.

    The defense lawyers said they planned to appeal, a process that could take months, and in the meantime Khodorkovsky and Lebedev will remain in a Moscow jail. After the first trial, Khodorkovsky was sent to a labor colony in eastern Siberia near the Chinese border, while Lebedev served the first part of his sentence in a prison above the Arctic Circle.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101230/...a_khodorkovsky

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    LONDON — A former Swiss bank executive said on Monday that he had given the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, details of more than 2,000 prominent individuals and companies that he contends engaged in tax evasion and other possible criminal activity.

    Rudolf M. Elmer, the former head of the Cayman Islands office of the prominent Swiss bank Julius Baer, refused to identify any of the individuals or companies, but told reporters at a press conference that about 40 politicians and “pillars of society” worldwide are among them.

    He told The Observer newspaper over the weekend that those named in the documents come from “the U.S., Britain, Germany, Austria and Asia — from all over,” and include “business people, politicians, people who have made their living in the arts and multinational conglomerates — from both sides of the Atlantic.”

    Mr. Assange said that WikiLeaks would verify and release the information, including the names, in as little as two weeks. He suggested possible partnerships with financial news organizations and said he would consider turning the information over to Britain’s Serious Fraud Office, a government agency that investigates financial corruption.

    Mr. Elmer said he had turned to WikiLeaks to educate society about what he considers an unfair system designed to serve the rich and aid money launderers after his offers to provide the data to universities and governments were spurned and, in his opinion, the Swiss media failed to cover the substance of his allegations. “The man in the street needs to know how this system works,” he said, referring to the offshore trusts that many “high net worth individuals” across the world use to evade taxes.

    His former employers released a statement on Friday denying all wrongdoing and suggesting that Mr. Elmer’s aim was to “discredit Julius Baer as well as clients in the eyes of the public.” It accused him of using falsified documents and spreading “baseless accusations” and passing on “unlawfully acquired, respectively retained, documents to the media, and later also to WikiLeaks.”

    On Monday, Mr. Elmer declined say how he had obtained the documents, which were on two CDs. He faces trial in Switzerland on Wednesday on charges of stealing the information from the bank. He was held for 30 days in 2005 over allegations that he violated Swiss banking secrecy laws, falsified documents and sent threatening messages to two people at the bank.

    WikiLeaks and Bank Julius Baer previously clashed in early 2008 when the anti-secrecy organization published hundreds of documents pertaining to its offshore activities. On that occasion, it did not identify the 15 individuals concerned. But the bank succeeded, briefly, in gaining a court order to shut down the WikiLeaks.org Web site anyway. The injunction was subsequently overturned and the case was dropped.

    The offshore banking industry has come under increasing pressure from whistle-blowers like Mr. Elmer over the last two years. In 2009, Bradley Birkenfeld, a former private banker for UBS, was sentenced to more than three years in prison after refusing to admit his own role in the Swiss bank’s efforts to help American clients evade taxes.

    Prosecutors did, however, credit Mr. Birkenfeld for helping to disclose some illegal tactics in the industry. As a result of Mr. Birkenfeld’s disclosures, UBS agreed to turn over details of several thousand client accounts to the Internal Revenue Service as part of a legal settlement. UBS agreed to pay a $780 million fine and admitted criminal wrongdoing.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/bu..._r=2&src=busln

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    I'll bet a lot of our more corrupt politicans have squirreled away tens of millions offshore.

    This would be commendable to expose those sumbitches, D or R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armybrat View Post
    I'll bet a lot of our more corrupt politicans have squirreled away tens of millions offshore.

    This would be commendable to expose those sumbitches, D or R.
    On this we can agree. All the other Wikileaks controversy aside, I think we can all agree that exposing corruption is for the greater good. Unfortunately, that other controversy is going to work to silence Wikileaks under the guise of national security, and keep the corruption hidden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornLawyer View Post
    ... it's one of the things that I would really like to see the original American cables on. I would really like to know Ambassador Glaspie's impressions of her discussions with Saddam Hussein. ...
    http://213.251.145.96/cable/1990/07/90BAGHDAD4237.html

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    The United States threatened to take military action against China during a secret "star wars" arms race within the past few years, according to leaked documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph.

    The two nuclear superpowers both shot down their own satellites using sophisticated missiles in separate show of strength, the files suggest.

    The American Government was so incensed by Chinese actions in space that it privately warned Beijing it would face military action if it did not desist.

    The Chinese carried out further tests as recently as last year, however, leading to further protests from Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, secret documents show.

    Beijing justified its actions by accusing the Americans of developing an “offensive” laser weapon system that would have the capability of destroying missiles before they left enemy territory.

    The disclosures are contained in the latest documents obtained by the Wikileaks website, which have been released to The Telegraph. They detail the private fears of both superpowers as they sought mastery of the new military frontier.


    The “star wars” arms race was began in January 2007 when China shocked the White House by shooting down one of its weather satellite 530 miles above the Earth.
    The strike, which resulted in thousands of pieces of debris orbiting the earth, raised fears that the Chinese had the power to cause chaos by destroying US military and civilian satellites.
    In February 2008, America launched its own “test” strike to destroy a malfunctioning American satellite, which demonstrated to the Chinese it also had the capability to strike in space.
    America stated at the time that the strike was not a military test but a necessary mission to remove a faulty spy satellite.
    The leaked documents appear to show its true intentions.
    One month before the strike, the US criticised Beijing for launching its own “anti-satellite test”, noting: “The United States has not conducted an anti-satellite test since 1985.” In a formal diplomatic protest, officials working for Condoleezza Rice, the then secretary of state, told Beijing: “A Chinese attack on a satellite using a weapon launched by a ballistic missile threatens to destroy space systems that the United States and other nations use for commerce and national security. Destroying satellites endangers people.”
    The warning continued: “Any purposeful interference with US space systems will be interpreted by the United States as an infringement of its rights and considered an escalation in a crisis or conflict.
    “The United States reserves the right, consistent with the UN Charter and international law, to defend and protect its space systems with a wide range of options, from diplomatic to military.”
    The Chinese strike in 2007 was highly controversial, prompting criticism from other nations and claims that it marked a revival of President Reagan’s “Star Wars” programme, that was abandoned in the 1980s.
    A month after the Chinese strike, America shot down one of its own satellites, ostensibly to stop it returning to earth with a toxic fuel tank which would pose a health hazard. The Chinese did not believe the explanation.
    In secret dispatches, US officials indicated that the strike was, in fact, military in nature.
    Immediately after the US Navy missile destroyed the satellite, the American Embassy in China received “direct confirmation of the results of the anti-satellite test” from the US military command in the Pacific, according to a secret memo.
    The strike marked the high point of tensions between Washington and Beijing over the issue of ballistic missile defence. The cables show that China was deeply concerned about America’s plans to place missile defence radars in Japan.
    Another document discloses that the US was allegedly developing an “airborne laser system” to counter the threat from “Chinese military build up”.
    The Chinese government was said to be “angry” about the US satellite exercise in February 2008.
    For months after the US strike, the two countries engaged in tense talks over the issue.
    At a summit on defence in June 2008, the American delegation told the Chinese that Washington did not regard China as “an enemy”. China replied that it saw the two powers “as neither allies nor adversaries”.
    The Chinese assistant foreign minister complained that the US missile defence programme was not simply “defensive” but also “offensive” because “it includes lasers that attack a missile in launch phase over the sovereign territory of the launching country”.
    The most recent cable in the collection was sent from the office of Mrs Clinton in January 2010.
    It claimed that US intelligence detected that China had launched a fresh anti-satellite missile test. Crucially, Washington wanted to keep secret its knowledge that the missile test was linked to China’s previous space strikes.
    The cable, marked “secret” said the Chinese army had sent an SC-19 missile that successfully destroyed a CSS-X-11 missile about 150 miles above the Earth.
    “This test is assessed to have furthered both Chinese ASAT [anti-satellite] and ballistic missile defense technologies,” stated the memo to the US embassy in Beijing.
    Mrs Clinton’s cable stressed that “the Obama administration” retained the Bush-era concerns over Chinese space weapon plans.
    There is growing concern over the potential for nuclear states or terrorists to attack western countries using space. Last September, Dr Liam Fox, the Defence Secretary, warned that rogue countries or terrorist groups could wipe out electronic systems by producing an electromagnetic pulse through a nuclear explosion high above the Earth.
    On Wednesday night, a Pentagon spokesman said: "The President's June 2010 National Space Policy requires the Dept. of Defense (DoD) to have a range of options and capabilities. Our overriding objective is to promote the peaceful use of space.
    "The United States did not engage our own satellite to test or demonstrate an anti-satellite (ASAT) capability. The purpose was to prevent the satellite's hydrazine fuel from causing potential harm to life on the ground.
    "To conduct this engagement, we had to make modifications to three sea-based missile defense interceptors, three ships, and the system's command and control software.
    "We have not made these modifications to any other missile defense system, nor do we plan to. Our missile defense systems are not intended or designed to engage satellites."
    Today The Daily Telegraph publishes another 39 leaked cables on its website, bringing the total to 550 in three days.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-missiles.html

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    Goddamned Chinese get pissed at anything we do, even if they've already done it themselves 10x.

    Screw them and their hypocrical blustering.

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    The American Government was so incensed by Chinese actions in space that it privately warned Beijing it would face military action if it did not desist.
    I skimmed the cable twice and didn't really see support for this claim. Still interesting stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meursault View Post
    I skimmed the cable twice and didn't really see support for this claim. Still interesting stuff.
    No $#@!, it's fascinating(and surreal)....as in, is this $#@! really going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armybrat View Post
    Goddamned Chinese get pissed at anything we do, even if they've already done it themselves 10x.

    Screw them and their hypocrical blustering.

    Just don't call the repo guy.

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    US-China relations may get more tense as economic conditions continue to deteriorate over there. They are already blaming the Fed for exporting inflation there.

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    The huge cache of bank documents held by Wikileaks is dated and perhaps a bit dull.

    But they are definitely from Bank of America.

    Mark Hosenball of Reuters reports that three people "familiar with the WikiLeaks leaders private discussions about the material" say that Julian Assange has privately said he does not know if the documents really contain big news or scandal.

    hey said that Assange said it consists of e-mails from the hard-drive of a Bank of America executive's computer and that the latest messages are dated sometime in 2006.

    The sources said that Assange privately acknowledged the material was not self-explanatory and that he personally was unable to make much sense of it. Assange indicated it would require a substantial amount of effort by financial experts to determine whether any of the material was newsworthy, according to the sources.
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/41495951

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    That's what this anti-WikiLeaks campaign is generally: it's a concerted, unified effort between government and the most powerful entities in the private sector (Bank of America is the largest bank in the nation). The firms the Bank has hired (such as Booz Allen) are suffused with the highest level former defense and intelligence officials, while these other outside firms (including Hunton & Williams and Palantir) are extremely well-connected to the U.S. Government. The U.S. Government's obsession with destroying WikiLeaks has been well-documented. And because the U.S. Government is free to break the law without any constraints, oversight or accountability, so, too, are its "private partners" able to act lawlessly. That was the lesson of the Congressional vesting of full retroactive immunity on lawbreaking telecoms, of the refusal to prosecute any of the important Wall Street criminals who caused the 2008 financial crisis, and of the instinctive efforts of the political class to protect defrauding mortgage banks. The exemption from the rule of law has been fully transferred from the highest level political elites to their counterparts in the private sector. "Law" is something used to restrain ordinary Americans and especially those who oppose this consortium of government and corporate power, but it manifestly does not apply to restrain these elites. Just consider one amazing example illustrating how this works.
    After Anonymous imposed some very minimal cyber disruptions on Paypal, Master Card and Amazon, the DOJ flamboyantly vowed to arrest the culprits, and several individuals were just arrested as part of those attacks. But weeks earlier, a far more damaging and serious cyber-attack was launched at WikiLeaks, knocking them offline. Those attacks were sophisticated and dangerous. Whoever did that was quite likely part of either a government agency or a large private entity acting at its behest. Yet the DOJ has never announced any investigation into those attacks or vowed to apprehend the culprits, and it's impossible to imagine that ever happening.
    Why? Because crimes carried out that serve the Government's agenda and target its opponents are permitted and even encouraged; cyber-attacks are "crimes" only when undertaken by those whom the Government dislikes, but are perfectly permissible when the Government itself or those with a sympathetic agenda unleash them. Whoever launched those cyber attacks at WikiLeaks (whether government or private actors) had no more legal right to do so than Anonymous, but only the latter will be prosecuted.

    There are supposed to be institutions which limit what can be done in pursuit of those private-sector goals. They're called "government" and "law." But those institutions are so annexed by the most powerful private-sector elites, and so corrupted by the public officials who run them, that nobody -- least of all those elites -- has any expectation that they will limit anything. To the contrary, the full force of government and law will be unleashed against anyone who undermines Bank of America and Wall Street executives and telecoms and government and the like (such as WikiLeaks and supporters), and will be further exploited to advance the interests of those entities, but will never be used to constrain what they do. These firms vying for Bank of America's anti-WikiLeaks business know all of this full well, which is why they concluded that proposing such pernicious and possibly illegal attacks would be deemed not just acceptable but commendable.
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...gns/index.html

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    For some reason, I feel the tension really mounting this week. The revolution in Egypt, the revelation of Bank of America trying to discredit WikiLeaks, Bernanke telling Congress we're closer to a systematic failure than we thought, and the IMF wanting to ditch the dollar. The water is starting to bubble -- I wonder when it boils over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Hooshamazoo View Post
    For some reason, I feel the tension really mounting this week. The revolution in Egypt, the revelation of Bank of America trying to discredit WikiLeaks, Bernanke telling Congress we're closer to a systematic failure than we thought, and the IMF wanting to ditch the dollar. The water is starting to bubble -- I wonder when it boils over.
    Lot's of speculation that the COMEX is in danger of defaulting in the silver market in a few weeks.
    Last edited by bernorange; 02-11-2011 at 11:42 PM.

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    "New legislation in the US Congress targets WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange for espionage prosecution. Representative Peter King, a New York Republican, introduced the Securing Human Intelligence and Enforcing Lawful Dissemination, or SHIELD, Act (read the bill here [PDF]). The bill would clarify US law by saying it is an act of espionage to publish the protected names of American intelligence sources who collaborate with the US military or intelligence community."

    http://www.techworld.com.au/article/...secution_bill/

    Read the bill: http://homeland.house.gov/sites/home...LD%20Act_0.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernorange View Post
    Lot's of speculation that the COMEX is in danger of defaulting in the silver market in a few weeks.
    I've heard this on a weekly basis since last 2008. If this happens, expect those taking delivery to be demonized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Hooshamazoo View Post
    "New legislation in the US Congress targets WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange for espionage prosecution. Representative Peter King, a New York Republican, introduced the Securing Human Intelligence and Enforcing Lawful Dissemination, or SHIELD, Act (read the bill here [PDF]). The bill would clarify US law by saying it is an act of espionage to publish the protected names of American intelligence sources who collaborate with the US military or intelligence community."

    http://www.techworld.com.au/article/...secution_bill/

    Read the bill: http://homeland.house.gov/sites/home...LD%20Act_0.pdf
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    Bump.

    Didn't see this posted anywhere, but wikileaks dumped (possibly unintentionally) the whole 250,000+ trove of cables, mostly unredacted.

    http://www.cablegatesearch.net/search.php

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...783778,00.html

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    1. LONDON--Today WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files – more than five million emails from the Texas-headquartered "global intelligence" company Stratfor. The emails date from between July 2004 and late December 2011. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal's Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defense Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratfor's web of informers, pay-off structure, payment-laundering techniques and psychological methods, for example:
    edit: for some reason, my copy paste looked pretty crappy. The rest is in the link.
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  • #326
    I am guessing this will be about Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dereksatkinson View Post
    I am guessing this will be about Iran.
    No, its about former UT QB, Shea Morenz. No mention of James Brown, however.

    Stratfor’s use of insiders for intelligence soon turned into a money-making scheme of questionable legality. The emails show that in 2009 then-Goldman Sachs Managing Director Shea Morenz and Stratfor CEO George Friedman hatched an idea to "utilise the intelligence" it was pulling in from its insider network to start up a captive strategic investment fund. CEO George Friedman explained in a confidential August 2011 document, marked DO NOT SHARE OR DISCUSS : "What StratCap will do is use our Stratfor’s intelligence and analysis to trade in a range of geopolitical instruments, particularly government bonds, currencies and the like". The emails show that in 2011 Goldman Sach’s Morenz invested "substantially" more than $4million and joined Stratfor’s board of directors. Throughout 2011, a complex offshore share structure extending as far as South Africa was erected, designed to make StratCap appear to be legally independent. But, confidentially, Friedman told StratFor staff : "Do not think of StratCap as an outside organisation. It will be integral... It will be useful to you if, for the sake of convenience, you think of it as another aspect of Stratfor and Shea as another executive in Stratfor... we are already working on mock portfolios and trades". StratCap is due to launch in 2012
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    http://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles.html

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    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...195342,00.html


    WikiLeaks: Israel destroyed nuclear facilities in Iran

    Anti-secrecy group releases email by US-based global security firm linked to CIA, citing Israeli intelligence source who claims Israelis destroyed all Iranian nuclear infrastructure on ground weeks ago

    Published: 02.27.12, 11:22 / Israel News

    Israeli commando forces destroyed, with the help of Kurdish rebels, all of Iran's nuclear infrastructure on ground, an email by a US-based global security analysis company released by WikiLeaks on Monday claims.

    The anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks began publishing more than five million emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor Global Intelligence, which has been likened to a shadow CIA. Stratfor officials said the release of its stolen emails was an attempt to silence and intimidate it.

    In the email, an Israeli intelligence source was asked about Defense Minister Ehud Barak's comment "the more the merrier" following the mysterious explosion that killed at least 17 people at an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps base near Tehran in November 2011.

    At the time, Iran claimed the blast was an accident, but US blogger Richard Silverstein said that Israel was the mastermind.

    "I think this is a diversion. The Israelis already destroyed all the Iranian nuclear infrastructure on the ground weeks ago," said the Israeli source. "The current 'let's bomb Iran' campaign was ordered by the EU leaders to divert the public attention from their at home financial problems."

    According to the email, Russia is one of Israel's largest military partners and India is Israel's largest client.

    It also claimed that in case of a direct conflict between Israel and Iran, Russia and Saudi Arabia would benefit from an oil price hike. On the other hand, China and Europe would suffer if such an event were to occur.

    According to Israel's plans, claimed the intelligence source, an attack on Iran would last 48 hours but would be so detrimental to the Islamic Republic that it would lead to the collapse of the Tehran government.

    The emails, snatched by hackers, could unmask sensitive sources and throw light on the murky world of intelligence-gathering by the company known as Stratfor, which counts Fortune 500 companies among its subscribers.

    Some of the emails being published "may be forged or altered to include inaccuracies; some may be authentic," the company statement said.

    Hackers linked to the loosely organized Anonymous hackers group said at the beginning of the year they had stolen the email correspondence of some 100 of the firm's employees. The group said it planned to publish the data so the public would know the "truth" about Stratfor operations.

    WikiLeaks and Anonymous maintain the emails will expose dark secrets about the company. Stratfor said in its statement it had worked hard to build "good sources" in many countries, "as any publisher of global geopolitical analysis would do."

    Reuters contributed to this report
    Interesting timing when juxtaposed with this:

    http://news.yahoo.com/ap-source-isra...022728116.html

    AP source: Israel won't warn US before Iran strike
    By KIMBERLY DOZIER | Associated Press – 4 hrs ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Israeli officials say they won't warn the U.S. if they decide to launch a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, according to one U.S. intelligence official familiar with the discussions. The pronouncement, delivered in a series of private, top-level conversations, sets a tense tone ahead of meetings in the coming days at the White House and Capitol Hill.

    Israeli officials said that if they eventually decide a strike is necessary, they would keep the Americans in the dark to decrease the likelihood that the U.S. would be held responsible for failing to stop Israel's potential attack. The U.S. has been working with the Israelis for months to persuade them that an attack would be only a temporary setback to Iran's nuclear program.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak delivered the message to a series of top-level U.S. visitors to the country, including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the White House national security adviser and the director of national intelligence, and top U.S. lawmakers, all trying to close the trust gap between Israel and the U.S. over how to deal with Iran's nuclear ambitions.

    Netanyahu delivered the same message to all the Americans who have traveled to Israel for talks, the U.S. official said.

    The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive strategic negotiations.

    The White House did not respond to requests for comment, and the Pentagon and Office of Director of National Intelligence declined to comment, as did the Israeli Embassy.

    Iran claims its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, but the International Atomic Energy Agency has raised alarms that its uranium enrichment program might be a precursor to building nuclear weapons. The U.S. has said it does not know whether Tehran has decided to weaponize its nuclear material and put it on a missile or other delivery device.

    The secret warning is likely to worry US officials and begin the high level meetings with Israel and the U.S. far apart on how to handle Iran.

    But the apparent decision to keep the U.S. in the dark also stems from Israel's frustration with the White House. After a visit by National Security Adviser Tom Donilon in particular, they became convinced the Americans would neither take military action, nor go along with unilateral action by Israel against Iran. The Israelis concluded they would have to conduct a strike unilaterally — a point they are likely to hammer home in a series of meetings over the next two weeks in Washington, the official said.

    Barak will meet with top administration and congressional officials during his visit. Netanyahu arrives in Washington for meetings with President Barack Obama next week.

    The behind-the-scenes warning belies the publicly united front the two sides have attempted to craft with the shuttle diplomacy to each other's capitals.

    "It's unprecedented outreach to Israel to make sure we are working together to develop the plan to deter Iran from developing a nuclear weapon," and to keep them from exporting terrorism, said Maryland Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

    He traveled there with the Intelligence Committee chairman, Rep. Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican, to meet Israel's prime minister and defense minister, along with other officials.

    "We talked about the fact that sanctions are working and they are going to get a lot more aggressive," Ruppersberger added.

    They also talked about presenting a unified front to Iran, to counter the media reports that the two countries are at odds over how and when to attack Iran.

    "We have to learn from North Korea. All those (peace) talks and stalling and they developed a nuclear weapon," he said. "We are going to send a message, enough is enough, the stalling is over. ... All options are on the table."

    "I got the sense that Israel is incredibly serious about a strike on their nuclear weapons program," Rogers told CNN on Monday. "It's their calculus that the administration ... is not serious about a real military consequence to Iran moving forward.

    "They believe they're going to have to make a decision on their own, given the current posture of the United States," he added.

    U.S. intelligence and special operations officials have tried to keep a dialogue going with Israel, despite the high-level impasse, sharing with them options such as allowing Israel to use U.S. bases in the region from which to launch such a strike, as a way to make sure the Israelis give the Americans a heads-up, according to the U.S. official, and a former U.S. official with knowledge of the communications

    Cooperation has improved on sharing of intelligence in the region, according to one current and one former U.S. official. Israel is providing key information on Syria for instance, now that the U.S. has closed its embassy and pulled out both its diplomats and intelligence officials stationed there, the U.S. official said.

  • #329
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  • #330
    I've been watching Stratfor videos for a long time, but I didn't realize they looked this much like the intelligence firm in the show Rubicon.

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    This is no secret. I've known for years that the U.S. Embassy in Iraq gave Saddam the go-ahead to attack Kuwait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear lake horn View Post
    This is no secret. I've known for years that the U.S. Embassy in Iraq gave Saddam the go-ahead to attack Kuwait.
    Yep, but most Americans bought the bull$#@! coming from the White House. Having proof now, might shed new light on the duping of the American public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no_chingas View Post
    Yep, but most Americans bought the bull$#@! coming from the White House.
    This is 2012. Most Americans don't even know Iraq invaded Kuwait. Most Americans would not be able to find Kuwait on a Middle East map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clear lake horn View Post
    This is no secret. I've known for years that the U.S. Embassy in Iraq gave Saddam the go-ahead to attack Kuwait.
    Really? So, because YOU knew it occurred is an excuse for it to happen? Thousands of people died, dude... $#@! you for even thinking it is acceptable. $#@! you.

    Neo-conservatism scares me and should scare anyone that cares about peace. Paul does a good job regarding the civility regarding this topic. I say we start getting serious... human beings are DIEING... your brother, sister and uncle are dieing over in the middle east because of these policies. It's time to wake the $#@! up.

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    Iceland's Supreme Court has ruled that Valitor (formerly Visa Iceland) must pay WikiLeaks $204,900 per month or $2,494,604 per year in fines if it continues to blockade the whistle-blowing site.

    The court upheld the decision that Valitor had unlawfully terminated its contract with WikiLeaks' donation processor, DataCell.

    "Today's decision marked the most important victory to date against the unlawful and arbitrary economic blockade erected by US companies against WikiLeaks," the organization's press release stated.
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    More: http://rt.com/news/wikileaks-visa-iceland-valitor-346/

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