If Sybil runs off with that retched commie irish loser, I'll vomit.
If Sybil runs off with that retched commie irish loser, I'll vomit.
I am now through season 1 and have gotten through episode 2 of season 2. PBS has what has aired of season 2 on their app.
I wish we had a sow's ear, it'd be better than this brisket.
officially jumped the shark
that was two hours of terrible lazy writing. god awful. just wrote the conflict between Lady Mary, the fiance and whatever the $#@! his name is with a death right before the wedding, really? Then at the funeral he says she died of a broken heart and that they are done even though they danced and kissed and both want to get in each other's pants? Then she gladly walks back the house with a creep that wanted to spy on her? WTF man, that's just silly writing.
Now let's get back to Lady Cybil settling with McTrosky. Dude is a weaselly, ingrate who will lead Lady Cybil to a life of potato riots and 12 children.
Last edited by Eskimohorn; 02-13-2012 at 12:19 PM.
the writing wasn't without attempt to connect those points, I just thought it wasn't believable. Same with Lord Grantham, no way with how he's been emasculated with the estate in flux, no direct heir, not able to serve in the war like he wanted, etc. that he wouldn't bang the maid, a point even further enforced by Lady Grantham admitting she was ignoring him. That's not just a guy's opinion either, two women I watched with (one a friend of my wife's via texting) were even more adamant about that point. Good writing causes you to forget your surroundings and dive into the lives of the people on screen. Last night both my wife and I watched the show differently. the eject button was pushed and we watched as casual observers, not as engrossed fans. that's what lazy and poor writing will do in a show like that.
even with her death, the fact is the miracle boy would have been sad and elated in real life, nope, he declared their love over. Mary then gladly falls into the arms of the spy with no resolution to that confrontation earlier? that's just nonsense and poor writing, it's not how people act in real life. the conflicts and tension that exist between the characters and their relationships were not respected, they were discarded.
Last edited by tropheus; 02-13-2012 at 01:14 PM.
Is this season going to be the last one? If they keep going at this rate we're going to have a 23 year old actress playing a 35 year old Lady Sybil.
I disagree. Matthew feels guilt that his kiss with Mary may have contributed to his fiancee's death - even admitting it to be a cliche, but true. It's part of his character to be overly miserable. Mary then is compelled to leave with her fiancee, who hovers over her - the one who is blackmailing her - "will ruin her" "no one backs out of an agreement". She hardly shows much enthusiasm for the pending marriage, but sees no way around it - especially given that Matthew is not privy to her scandalous affair with the Turk.even with her death, the fact is the miracle boy would have been sad and elated in real life, nope, he declared their love over. Mary then gladly falls into the arms of the spy with no resolution to that confrontation earlier? that's just nonsense and poor writing, it's not how people act in real life. the conflicts and tension that exist between the characters and their relationships were not respected, they were discarded.
So, in summary:
Obstacles for Matthew & Lady Mary to get married (why they're not elated with the recent death of his fiancee):
1) Matthew's guilt and misery (part of his make-up)
2) Sir Richard and his ability to ruin Lady Mary and the family name
3) The Unknown - Matthew's reaction to Lady Mary's scandalous past. Would he accept her and the baggage that comes with a public scandal?
Watched the first season on Netflix and the first few episodes of the second season. Question about something that happened in season 1... What exactly was it that O'Brain switched the soap out with that caused Lady Mary's miscarriage?
Errr not Mary, whatever her moms name is.
that's helpful to know (the first part about affairs being rare), though with her in his room, I have a hard time seeing him stop given the other circumstances I mention. Maybe that shouldn't have even been written into the show. two kisses and she's in his room and then he stops it? I'll give them a pass on the new information.Per the writer, who's an expert on the subject, affairs between the Lords and servants were more rare than Hollywood portrays. Given Lord Grantham's character, I was surprised he took it as far as he did. It's certainly not "jumping the shark" or "bad writing" that he finally put a stop to it. Further, not only does it tie in to his growing disconnect with Lady Grantham, but also may have helped him re-evaluate his admonishment (along with the near-death of his wife) over his daughter's romance with the chauffeur.
As to the second point you make, that was the best part of this show. My wife asked me what I would do in his shoes re: Cybil and the chauffeur, and I said "exactly the same thing, in exactly the same order". That was actually a really good sequence.
then we agree to disagree.I disagree. Matthew feels guilt that his kiss with Mary may have contributed to his fiancee's death - even admitting it to be a cliche, but true. It's part of his character to be overly miserable. Mary then is compelled to leave with her fiancee, who hovers over her - the one who is blackmailing her - "will ruin her" "no one backs out of an agreement". She hardly shows much enthusiasm for the pending marriage, but sees no way around it - especially given that Matthew is not privy to her scandalous affair with the Turk.
Matthew showed no conflict of emotions which have been brewing for multiple episodes. he showed only remorse and over the top remorse with no affection or positive feelings for Mary. That didn't seem like a response consistent with his character when earlier in the same episode he's clutching to the small stuffed animal in front of his fiance or dancing with Mary. No way it turns that quickly, that simply. Grief stricken with guilt? sure, but in conflict because the one he really loves is right there? absolutely. The issue as to whether Mary can marry him is entirely separate from that interchange from Matthew's standpoint and wasn't even addressed. Frankly though, the fiance's death was lazy to begin with.
Mary may feel there is no way out (I agree and understand), but that doesn't mean she responds to the spy the way she did at the funeral. that scene was not genuine IMO to the characters and their tension/conflicts.
The star of the show continues though to be Maggie Smith. Some very good acting and exchanges with her character. best part by far.
Last edited by tropheus; 02-13-2012 at 03:47 PM.
Awesome show, I burned through the frist season and bought the second season on Blu-ray last week and watched that all as well. I think I have the gay now though.
I am now all caught up as well. Maggie Smith is the absolute best. Cannot wait until the next ep (which was the Christmas Special), and then onto season 3. Shirley MacLaine as Cora's mother is going to be awesome.
1. I liked Matthew better when he wasn't such a cry-y, whiny pussy.
2. I like Mr. Bates, but $#@! you show for making me see him shirtless in bed. Gack.
3. Cora's miraculous recovery and Lavinia's miraculous demise were horrid.
4. Ser Jorah is creeping me out something fierce.
5. If the actor who plays Thomas doesn't learn how to smoke a cigarette properly, I'm going to write a strongly-worded letter to PBS.
6. I agree that Lord Grantham's handling of Sybil's affair was realistic.
7. I volunteer to smother Lucy with a pillow, and I will enjoy it.
8. Gotdamn Edith is homely.
I agree that he's better for who Mary appears to be on the surface. Mary showed us (mostly with her face...ah, I miss season 1 and, you know, acting) that she has an inner softness that only Matthew has deftly been able to elicit. She's the absolute best version of herself when under Matthew's influence. That is, by definition, why they are rightly matched. True love, and all that good stuff.
**Edit: I should add to my original list #9. I cannot mute/fast forward my computer fast enough when Laura Linney starts talking to me before each episode.
Last edited by Ruffian; 02-15-2012 at 03:23 PM. Reason: Laura Linney, please STFU
The cook going to moorefields in 1912 with cataracts and coming back free of cataracts and spectacle correction was laughable.
Umm, yes please:
I like pale freckled English types. So sue me.
I can't sit through the show. But I like to wander through the room whenever Mary is on, and whenever Maggie Smith has ANYTHING to say.
I know it's a $#@!ing BBC production, rage, relax. This will shock you, but I wasn't actually going to write a letter either.
Yeah, Daisy annoys me too.
And Maggie Smith makes the show. Without her, I would watch, but I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much. Now, if they can get Helen Mirren in as some heretofore unknown character with Maggie and Shirley, DAMN.
Season 3 would see some of her American relatives coming to Downton, and now we know that one of them is her mother, Martha Levinson, played by MacLaine.
Wait, Cora is Jewish?? Isn't Levinson a Jewish name? Wow....holy crap! That will be REAL good $#@! between her Mom and Lady Grantham(Maggie). YEAH!
Also, I hope Sybil dumps the Irishman but she is too in love with middle class enterprise. She loves being a nurse, and what she doesn't understand is that her $#@!ing Irish husband isn't going to allow her to work once she starts cranking out his 15 kids. She needs to wake up because that $#@! is even more old fashioned and repressive than her father.
As much as I hate to admit it given that I'm livid at last week's episode, a different take on the equality issue could be a great sub plot shift/focus.
Not sure if I liked this final episode. Didn't really leave much for the Mary - Matthew saga.
At this rate season 5 will take us to modern day. Season 2 covered what? Six years?
Football .. Basketball .. Baseball .. Other Sports .. RC Didn't Offer .. Gamboool
Varsity .. Hole in the Wall .. PCL .. Einstein's .. Nasty's .. GM Steakhouse .. NSAA
Bada Bing .. Can you help me with this? .. Shagslist .. Cloak Room .. Classics .. Bellmont