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    Serious question: Why are we at war with Libya?

    Serious question. If we're not at war, why are we participating in a bombing campaign of Libya? What's the point?

    If there is a thread about this already, please point me in the right direction, I can't seem to find one. If it's in the Cloak Room, don't bother, i'm not going in there.

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    1. because it's a lot easier to get camera crews there than Darfur
    2. oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasIsBetter View Post
    Serious question. If we're not at war, why are we participating in a bombing campaign of Libya? What's the point?

    If there is a thread about this already, please point me in the right direction, I can't seem to find one. If it's in the Cloak Room, don't bother, i'm not going in there.
    So you want to ask politically charged (Cloak Room) questions, but don't want to go into the Cloak Room to see if that question has already been answered?

    That being said, it's pretty clear why we are bombing in Libya. To either eliminate Gaddafi, or at the very least prevent him from overwhelming the rebels. The real question is whether we should be, and that is entirely in the Cloak Room realm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FondrenRoad View Post
    So you want to ask politically charged (Cloak Room) questions, but don't want to go into the Cloak Room to see if that question has already been answered?

    That being said, it's pretty clear why we are bombing in Libya. To either eliminate Gaddafi, or at the very least prevent him from overwhelming the rebels. The real question is whether we should be, and that is entirely in the Cloak Room realm.
    i don't care about the politics in the question, hence the reason I posted in Bada Bing. I would much rather have a rational explanation than wade through the idiots that hang out in there. just wondering with all the $#@! going on in other parts of the african continent, we choose to pick a fight with Libya and not Darfur, Sudan, Uganda, etc.

    is it really just as simple as oil?

    i understand it's the realm of Cloak Room, if it needs to be moved or deleted, please blacklab, by all means move or delete it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasIsBetter View Post
    i don't care about the politics in the question, hence the reason I posted in Bada Bing. I would much rather have a rational explanation than wade through the idiots that hang out in there. just wondering with all the $#@! going on in other parts of the african continent, we choose to pick a fight with Libya and not Darfur, Sudan, Uganda, etc.

    is it really just as simple as oil?
    I would say no. Gaddafi usually has no issue pumping oil and selling it. Whoever leads after Gaddafi is uncertain. If it was that simple, we'd support Gaddafi. It's more likely humanitarian in nature, and is relatively more important than other African locales because of the relatively educated populace. That and Gaddafi has been able to project his bull$#@! into Europe and America via things like Pan Am 103, so there is pent up animosity towards him.

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    o/g companies want to fully develop Libyan oil and gas fields

    exxon is one of many companies with grand plans for that country

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    ^^^that's the type of answer i'm looking for.

    does this mean we are at war with a third entity? Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya? how is this any different than Iraq and Bush and why isn't there as much publicity as Iraq/Bush? is everybody really that afraid to challenge Barack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasIsBetter View Post
    ^^^that's the type of answer i'm looking for.

    does this mean we are at war with a third entity? Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya? how is this any different than Iraq and Bush and why isn't there as much publicity as Iraq/Bush? is everybody really that afraid to challenge Barack?
    Did you listen to BO's address two nights ago? It was on right after the Texas game. We're not "at war" with Liyba. We're fulfilling our promise to the UN and protecting innocent civilians against a regime that doesn't have any concept of human rights, AT ALL. We're not invading, and in fact Obama steadfastly refused to be a part of the invading force. We have no troops on the ground- that's Britain and France's job. We're air support, and this military force comes after MANY, MANY demands to Gaddafi to stop murdering his own people. This isn't like Iraq, where the WMD intel was sketchy (or outright fake depending on your source), or Afghanistan, where we're fine with the country but we're hunting a citizen ... this is a peacekeeping mission to stop a madman, that we're supporting, not leading.

    I'm just about as anti-war as they come, but I have absolutely 0 issue with this military campaign.

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    ^^thanks. and no, i didn't watch it, i switched it to TNT to catch the end of our game and watch others. I honestly didn't know that Libya was even on our radar for anything other than a dictator $#@!ing his country up. which seems like it is no different than the rest of that continent.

    i am just trying to understand what we're doing and why. your explanation clears up a lot of it. thanks.

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    This isn't like Iraq ... this is a peacekeeping mission to stop a madman
    What makes him a madman? The fact he used force to quell a revolt?

    So did Saddam.
    Last edited by zzzz; 03-20-2011 at 02:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walte464 View Post
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    Oh, and Bill Clinton

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    you guys think a backroom deal was struck with the rebel leaders -- we oust Qaddafi, you give us 10 yrs of unfettered access to your oil fields or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiator View Post
    you guys think a backroom deal was struck with the rebel leaders -- we oust Qaddafi, you give us 10 yrs of unfettered access to your oil fields or something.


    this sounds very believable. unrestricted access = $$$$$ to get your new govt up and going

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    By "we" I assume you mean the United Nations. From the half of an article on this I read this morning, it sounds like the United States, UK, and France all are strong participants in this "war."

    And the reasons why have been posted already, better than I could.

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    How hard is it to understand? If your country is dripping with oil, and you are not an ally of the United States, you are open to attack at any time.

    If you are an ally of the United States, you can feel free to be as non-democratic as you like, as authoritarian as you like, and as theocratic as your like (see Saudi Arabia).

    Has everyone forgotten that the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian? It reminds of old gem by Jerry Tarkanian referencing the absurdity of way the NCAA hands our dicipline: "The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky, that they put Cleveland State on probation".

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    this is a peacekeeping mission to stop a madman, that we're supporting, not leading.
    "In these early days, the operation will be under the operational command of General Carter Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command," Gortney told reporters at the Pentagon. "And the commander of Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn, which is the name of this operation, is Admiral Sam Locklear, who is embarked on board USS Mount Whitney in the Mediterranean."

    The United States, Gortney stressed, is in full charge of the Libya operation. Although Gortney said there would be an "eventual transition of leadership to a coalition commander in the coming days," he also added: "That said, the U.S. military has and will continue to use our unique capabilities to create the conditions from which we and our partners can best enforce the full measure of the U.N. mandate."
    Early in the briefing, Gortney said the attack involved "110 Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from both U.S. and British ships and submarines." Later, a reporter asked: "Can you specify how many British ships were involved compared to the U.S. ships?"

    "We had one British submarine," Gortney said.

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    "We had one British submarine," Gortney said.
    i can only laugh at the absurdity

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasIsBetter View Post
    i can only laugh at the absurdity
    Well our navy is larger than the next 13 combined.

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    so, basically, you want a political discussion outside the political forum. i understand why, because the cloak room is frustrating as $#@!. but don't act like this isn't a political question. it is. 100%

    ghadhafi has been our enemy for quite some time. his comeuppance is here.

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    To me, it's the same as Iraq... the only difference is not being fed a line of terror.

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    we aren't at war with libya. we're at u.n. security council resolution with them. next we might be at u.n. approved police action with them.

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    We're not at war, we're just bombing the $#@! out of them. Uh, sure thing guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexasHammer View Post
    We're not at war, we're just bombing the $#@! out of them. Uh, sure thing guys.
    man, i remember those wars with grenada, libya, panama, kosovo, etc. lotsa wars!

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    no one is better at killing brown people than the USA :p


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    It's because the Barbary pirates are interfering with the American merchant trade.

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    It is the belief of our government that the claims of Gaddafi and his son, which is to massacre the rebels and show no mercy, are legitimate threats.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Coctostan View Post
    It's because the Barbary pirates are interfering with the American merchant trade.
    Nice

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    The liberal interventionists (think neocoservatives if this was a Republican war) convinced the President it was time to go to war against Libya. The rest is just the window dressing. And there is no question we have boots on the ground. I doubt we will invade. This is a kill them like a video game war for us.

    See The Middle East is Blowing Up thread in the Cloak Room. I don't think there is any debate on why we moved from a non-intervention stance. Samantha Power and Hillary convinced the President we needed to act to protect the rebels. Liberal interventionism isn't new and is closely related to neoconservatism. A rose by another name . . .

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    I don't buy the oil thing. There are better basins to explore elsewhere.

    Libya is small potatoes compared to Russia, etc.

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    o/g companies want to fully develop Libyan oil and gas fields

    exxon is one of many companies with grand plans for that country
    uhhh...US o/g companies are already there (Marathon, Hess, Conoco)
    Last edited by SullHorn; 03-20-2011 at 11:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SullHorn View Post
    uhhh...US o/g companies are already there (Marathon, Hess, Conoco)

    yes they are and the plans for the near future are rather large

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    I for one am fired up. Not much on TV these days and war makes for good television.

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    Where's the "humanitarian aid" for the Bahrainian protesters who are being killed by their government PLUS Saudi troops?

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    I read "The Prize" a few years ago and my take away, which is what the author intended, was that most wars these days are about oil. They used to be about territory, simply put, but today territory in and of itself doesn't seem to matter much. As soon as stuff started going down over there, it became rather clear that at some point the price of oil was going to force some movement somewhere.

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    Simple answer: UN treaty obligations

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Coctostan View Post
    It's because the Barbary pirates are interfering with the American merchant trade.
    Lol Thomas Jefferson was the first president to bomb Libya. whoever came after Jefferson had to bomb them. Reagan bombed them. Bombing Libya is just something we do ever so often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber Lamps View Post
    I for one am fired up. Not much on TV these days and war makes for good television.
    $#@! yeah. The offseason sucks without a good war, although I can't see how strafing and bombing columns of tanks/infantry constitutes enforcement of a "no-fly zone".

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    Quote Originally Posted by capnamerca View Post
    Did you listen to BO's address two nights ago? It was on right after the Texas game. We're not "at war" with Liyba. We're fulfilling our promise to the UN and protecting innocent civilians against a regime that doesn't have any concept of human rights, AT ALL. We're not invading, and in fact Obama steadfastly refused to be a part of the invading force. We have no troops on the ground- that's Britain and France's job. We're air support, and this military force comes after MANY, MANY demands to Gaddafi to stop murdering his own people. This isn't like Iraq, where the WMD intel was sketchy (or outright fake depending on your source), or Afghanistan, where we're fine with the country but we're hunting a citizen ... this is a peacekeeping mission to stop a madman, that we're supporting, not leading.

    I'm just about as anti-war as they come, but I have absolutely 0 issue with this military campaign.
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    Maybe the zionistas called their puppet on Pennsylvania Ave and told him what to do?
    We don't need no stikin comstitution!

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    We havent been at war since WW2, not sure what you are talking about. The last 60+ years have been a complete time of peace with no war.

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    For Obama's poll numbers. We magically have 2 Destroyers and a dozen other assault vessels in place off their coast within 24 hours of him declaring that they must comply with U.N. resolutions or else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCruiser View Post
    For Obama's poll numbers. We magically have 2 Destroyers and a dozen other assault vessels in place off their coast within 24 hours of him declaring that they must comply with U.N. resolutions or else?
    Don't we have a few naval bases in the Med?

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    When's the last time that Israel obeyed a UN resolution? Oh.....never mind, every UN resolution that Israel doesn't like is voted against by the US?! So, we can conclude that Israel agrees with all the resolutions, and that the US jumps whenever Israel speaks.
    Plus, it's way past time that Libya has a central bank, and Iran, and Syria, and Sudan!

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    because barry got his $#@! from his mom's side of the family.

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    Does he have cojones, and if yes, did he get those from his mom,s side too?
    If no, why's he el presidente. Another war against a "foe" with no way to defend itself. When did the US grow such a big heart-caring for the poor Libyans.
    We obviously had big hearts for the poor Iraquis and Shell now owns their oil??
    A UN resolution?? Why does the US ignore all the others. Turn off the boob tube; don't let them "think" for you.

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