For those who went, I was pretty close to the "Raw Milk" sign.
Anyone else see the ruckus with the dude who wouldnt take down his giant manifesto? Someone eventually just grabbed the sign and threw it down.
For those who went, I was pretty close to the "Raw Milk" sign.
Anyone else see the ruckus with the dude who wouldnt take down his giant manifesto? Someone eventually just grabbed the sign and threw it down.
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Went with a buddy and had a blast. Saw a guy with a kid in a radio flyer wagon, but I dunno if that was American Swindle or not.
This country is $#@!ed, but we had a good time anyway.
$#@!ty cell phone pics:
It was probably me you saw Damor and I can't say I had a blast because my son wanted to climb on the wagon and jump off the whole time! I am glad I went though, because I got a friend to go and listen. He had to watch my radio flyer for a while on Rober Dedman while I went in to the Performing Arts bathroom to take care of a $#@! bomb my son detonated in his pull-up.
Some cool gent gave him a Super Brochure which I thought was pretty $#@!ing sweet.
Did anyone get a card from Shaun Ireland? Guy was doing serious work out there.
I couldn't go due to a goddamn work conflict. my mom wanted to go and I wanted to take her. spoke with her this morning, she's a born again Paulista. smack dab in the middle of the baby boomers (she's right at 65 years old) talking Liberty with the best of them. She's a high school history teacher too, so she's right in the middle of the fight for the future.
I talked with her this morning and told her I was proud of her, most older folk (stereotype warning) stop adapting, stop thinking and are not in any mood to change their ways or their minds.
She said, there's no turning back, her eyes are open.
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Shhhhhh don't let anyone know
How Ron Paul's "Delegate Strategy" is Working
As five more states take to the polls to try selecting their choice for the Republican Party nomination today, various interesting things have been happening in the world of Ron Paul's march through the caucus states, whose straw poll results often don't bind delegate allocation meaningfully.
First, a look at Iowa, where the Des Moines Register notes how successful Paulites have been within the state GOP apparatus:
This can all be very important for what is able to happen for Paul in Tampa in August:Six of the new Iowa GOP state central committee members elected at district conventions Saturday have publicly expressed support for Paul, a libertarian-leaning presidential candidate: Dave Cushman, John Kabitzke, Joel Kurtinitis, Marcus Fedler, Jeff Shipley and Kris Thiessen....
Two more new central committee members have close ties to Paul. Tony Krebsbach was a county coordinator for Campaign for Liberty, a group Paul founded. And when Chad Steenhoek was running for the Iowa House in 2010, the Campaign for Liberty PAC gave him a donation and Paul spoke on his behalf. Steenhoek said Saturday he caucused for Gingrich. Steenhoek said he doesn’t subscribe to a Ron Paul philosophy so much as a Republican philosophy of limited government and individual rights.
The growing Paul faction in leadership positions at the Republican Party of Iowa — including the new chairman, A.J. Spiker, who was the Paul campaign’s Iowa vice chairman and can break ties in central committee votes — has created tension with Iowa Republicans who do not share their affection for the Texas congressman or subscribe to some of his views....
In another story from the Des Moines Register, the Paulites are already ruffling Romney feathers:For some, Saturday’s push wasn’t as much about Iowa as it was about the national effort for Paul.
Several Paul loyalists said they harbor hope for getting Paul nominated at the national convention in Tampa, Fla., in late August. In order to do that, Paul must have a majority of support from at least five state delegations. With states like North Dakota, Minnesota, and others on track, his supporters could then attempt to nominate him from the floor.
Iowa’s 28 delegates are all “unbound,” meaning they can individually decide which presidential candidate to support. To stop Paul supporters from controlling the Iowa delegation, Romney backers in Iowa said they will likely focus on teaming up with Christian conservatives here.
Paul loyalists did well in getting their supporters onto the GOP’s “state nomination committee,” which will nominate Iowa’s 13 at-large national delegates. Another 12 delegates will be selected June 15. The GOP chairman and Iowa’s two Republican National Committee members are also delegates.
The Iowa Republican, meanwhile, fears that this sort of independent-mindedness from the Iowa GOP against the national masters could lost Iowa its first-in-nation caucus status. The writer thinks it's likely--though remember, we won't know until June 15--that after first Romney and then Santorum were the announced "winners" of Iowa, that it is likely Ron Paul actually will have the majority of the state's delegates:There was a bit of a ruckus between the Romney campaign and three top Iowa party activists at the Republican National Committee meeting Friday when the Iowans declined to sign a “delegate pledge form” in order to get their photos taken.
The three — Republican Party of Iowa Chairman A.J. Spiker and Iowa’s two RNC members, Steve Scheffler and Kim Lehman — later said it was an innocent dustup. They were waiting in line for a group photo with Mitt Romney at the meeting in Arizona, and intend to support the eventual GOP presidential nominee, Spiker said in a telephone interview.
CNN’s Peter Hamby reported that Romney had a private reception during which RNC members and state GOP chairs could get their pictures taken with the presumptive nominee.
But reception guests apparently needed to first sign a pledge promising to support Romney as a delegate to the GOP’s national convention. CNN reported that the Iowans refused to sign and “the dispute became heated.”
*As The Hill notes, Ron Paul--exactly as he predicted the night of the Minnesota straw poll--looks like he's won the majority of delegates in that state:If Saturday’s district conventions are any indication, in 54-days the Republican Party of Iowa will announce that Ron Paul, the third place finisher in the caucuses, will emerge with a majority of the delegates selected to go to the Republican national convention in Tampa.
*Daily Caller with more on the meaning of the Minnesota win:Paul took home 20 of the 24 possible delegates and nearly all the alternative delegates Saturday during the Minnesota congressional district conventions....
Thirteen more at-large delegates will be chosen at the Minnesota state convention, but the delegation demographics there will be very similar to those in the congressional districts, and Paul appears poised to come away with even more delegates after the May 4 convention.....
“Ron Paul’s victories today declare his delegate-attainment strategy to be a success and they demonstrate that the media and Washington pundits are undercounting his delegates to the Republican National Convention in Tampa," said Paul campaign manager John Tate in a statement.
Paul, who has nearly $1.8 million cash on hand and no campaign debt, has repeatedly stated he would stay in the race until the very end, and hopes his victory in Minnesota will carry over into other states...
Paul advisor Wead also notes in the same article the Caller was quoting the New York Times official delegate counts aren't keeping up with facts on the ground in caucus states such as Iowa and Minnesota.[Paul advisor Doug] Wead wrote on his blog that GOP presidential front-runner Mitt Romney is an a “panic” after the Paul landslide. Similar efforts to bolster the Texas congressman’s delegate count are underway in Iowa, Colorado, Maine and other states.
“[A] number of Romney Hawks are now deeply concerned that Ron Paul has already laid the groundwork for similar success in six more caucus states,” Wead wrote.
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul declined to comment on the record about whether or not Romney is indeed in a panic....
The Paul campaign is being mum about the prospect of other delegate coups. The libertarian-leaning candidate’s spokesman and campaign manager did not respond when asked if surprising landslides are anticipated in other states.
*A Paul delegate from Washington's Jefferson County, John Connolly, has his own personal take on the Paul delegate process, from last month but just came to my attention. Highlights:
*Meanwhile in Washington's King County caucus this weekend, Ron Paul activists doing well prompted party insiders to just try to call the whole thing off at a GOP meeting, as reported in The Examiner by Emilie Rensink:Here is the data from Jefferson County – my county.
Of the 115 precinct delegates selected only 31 chose to put their name in the hat to become County Delegates for the State Convention which happens May 30th through June 2nd. Why so few people? Because many can’t make it on those days or do not have the funds to travel. Interesting that it can come to that level of sacrifice, which I have stated is the strength of the average Ron Paul supporter. It takes time and money to be at the state caucus and even more so at the national convention in Florida in August. I’m thinking the Ron Paul supporter is going to pull the underdog with his or her own cash more than any other supporter for any other candidate.
Breaking this 31 down here is what we have.
Ron Paul – 17
Mitt Romney – 8
Rick Santorum – 4
Newt Gingrich – 2
Video from that King County caucus meeting.After the caucus commenced at 9 a.m., there was a nomination from the floor to elect prominent policymaking activist and community leader Tamra Smilanich to be the permanent chair of the caucus. She won by a majority of the vote.
Shortly thereafter, King County Republican Party Chairwoman Lori Sotelo announced that the caucus was to be adjourned, claiming that Smilanich was an 'operative' of the Ron Paul campaign and that she had 'taken over' the caucus. The electing of Smilanich to be the permanent chair turned the event into a Ron Paul campaign meeting instead of an official GOP caucus, according to Sotelo.
The insurance that was purchased for the event, she claimed, was paid for and covered by the King County GOP only, not the Ron Paul campaign....
Supporters of Ron Paul and other candidates alike agreed that Smilanich, regardless of her presidential preference, was voted in according to Robert's Rules of Order and that her position was therefore legitimate.
Smilanich continued the business of the caucus, and delegate speeches were made. However, before the first round of voting could be finished, Sotelo again interjected and claimed that the premises must be vacated because Smilanich was acting on the part of the Ron Paul campaign....
....at approximately 12:30 p.m., Lori Sotelo announced that the space had been rented for only a limited amount of time and that the caucus could not continue. A motion was made to move the caucus proceedings to the basketball court outside on the grounds of the school, and this was agreed to by the body.
....a quorum was maintained, allowing the caucus to be completed....Many delegates present were concerned that the election of delegates for the caucus, although apparently done in accordance with official party rules and Robert's Rules of Order, would be invalidated somehow by the KCGOP.
Rachel Maddow getting excited about the possibility that Paul was the real victor, or at least tied for first, in delegate collection in both Iowa and Minnesota:
Went and listened to him tonight at Cougar High. Really enjoyed it.
I went to Hofheinz last night as well. I estimated the crowd at around 3,000 people. Had the atmosphere of a pep rally.
Glenn Addison (Republican candidate for US Senate) was there in person handing out pamphlets for his campaign as people were in line to get in. There were represenatitive from some campaigns for US Congress there handing out literature as well, but I didn't see the actual candidates themselves.
I'm actually voting for Addison. Wish more people knew about him.
Ron with Students:
Romney with Students:
Actually, Ron Paul Is Secretly Winning A Lot More Delegates Than You Think
Mitt Romney may have all but locked up the Republican nomination with his victories in the East Coast primaries this week, but Ron Paul and his army of acolytes aren't ready to give up the fight just yet.
As the rest of the political world's attention shifts to the general election, Paul is still quietly amassing delegates at district and county conventions, and is now poised to take a real bite — or at least a big nibble — out of Romney's delegate total.
In just the last week, Paul locked up 49 delegates, including five in Pennsylvania and four in Rhode Island, two states thought to be firmly on Romney's turf. In Minnesota, Paul won 20 of the 24 delegates awarded at last weekend's district caucuses, an impressive sweep that guarantees that Paul will control a majority of the state's delegation at the Republican National Convention.
And despite staunch opposition from the state Republican Party, Paul took 20 of the 40 delegates awarded in Missouri last weekend, according to campaign chairman Jesse Benton.
In at least five other states — Colorado, Nevada, Iowa, Washington, and Maine — Paul has done remarkably well at county and district conventions, and his supporters are expected to win a big chunk of the RNC delegates at the state conventions later this spring.
"We are very pleased with the results," Benton told Business Insider. "We still have a long way to go, but we've done very, very well at the county caucuses and district conventions and that bodes well for our strength when we get to the state conventions. Now we need to keep our nose to the grindstone."
Even Rick Santorum, who earlier in the race accused Paul of shilling for Romney, acknowledged the Texas Congressman's impressive organization this week, telling CNN's Piers Morgan that "Ron Paul is working the delegates hard."
In a surprising twist, a lot of Paul's recent success can actually be attributed to Santorum's decision to suspend his campaign earlier this month. In many places, Santorum supporters have banded together with Paul organizers in an attempt to deny Romney delegates.
In Colorado, for example, Santorum supporters have bonded with their Paul counterparts over a shared skepticism of Romney's conservative values. Although the Colorado GOP won't select its RNC delegates until the state convention next month, Paul organizers have gotten many of Santorum's pledged delegates to commit to supporting Paul over Romney.
"In Colorado, there is a real anti-Establishment sense — they want to send a very conservative delegation to the national convention," Benton told BI. "We're fighting it out, and we think there are enough Santorum delegates that are sympathetic to Ron Paul who will come over to us."
In Washington, Santorum's county caucus organizer sent an open letter to his fellow supporters urging them to vote for Paul's delegates rather than Romney's.
Here's an excerpt of the letter, obtained by Business Insider:
That Santorum's supporters are taking a second look at Ron Paul rather than vote for Romney's delegates is an indication that the former Massachusetts governor still has major problems with his party's Republican base.Romney wants everybody to quit. Quitting may be his solution when his back is up to the wall, but it's not what we want from our leaders. Our country has it's back up against the wall! We need principled fighters and not a pretty boy in a suit. We nominate Romney and it's the equivalent of making him the starting quarterback because he simply looks good in the uniform. He's a defensive coordinators dream. The mere fact he wins in the same places liberals do in the general election says a lot.
At some point, and it might as well be now, people are going to reign back power from party leaders, unite and actually make something like a Paul/Santorum unity slate work. As I see it, it's the only way to balance power, restore it back to the people and take it away from big money.
Those against such an alliance, especially elected state delegates, might want to address future problems and complaints concerning government to the person in the mirror. I fail to see the logic in people not trusting such an arrangement that both Paul and Santorum's people have agreed to, yet they'll trust the same people running the party for years that have helped bring us to this junction in history.
"The plurality of them just don't want to vote for Romney," Doug Wead, a senior advisor to the Paul campaign, told Business Insider. “A lot of people are upset that Romney has not reached out to them at all. [They feel like] 'Why in the hell should we support him when he’s not asking for our support or doing a single thing to get it."
Both Wead and Benton concede that it would be difficult — if not impossible — to deny Romney the delegate majority he needs to win the nomination. The goal now, Benton told BI, is "to win as many delegates as we possibly can."
"We want to have a strong, respectful presence that says 'We are here, we are are going to participate, and we are ready to talk about the party platform with you if you take our issues seriously," he said. "We're going to send a message that the liberty wing of the Republican party is strong, and that it isn't going anywhere."
The Romney campaign declined to comment on Paul's delegate wins. But if Paul continues his hot streak, the presumptive nominees might not be able to ignore the libertarian iconoclast and his army of delegates by the time the national convention rolls around.
It was mentioned earlier, but if anyone went to the town hall meeting at LBJ, you surely noticed the LUNATIC in the middle of the crowd who wouldn't put down his damn sign that was basically gibberish about satellites, aliens, and government conspiracy stealing our minds and intelligence and $#@!. When (thank god) some big guys ripped the sign out of his hands he pulled out a camera and started videoing the faces of everyone within about ten feet of him. He was doing it as if he was documenting us like we were aliens and he was making a file for us. I was close enough to flip him off when he aimed it at me.
IM IN PCL RIGHT NOW AND THE GUY IS LIKE 30 FEET AWAY FROM ME.
I have a laser pointer in my backpack and I'm seriously trying to figure out whether or not/how I could really $#@! with the guy.
If you have the means to video/adio tape a conversation, just go talk to him (play dumb) and find out what he's all about. Sounds like an agent provocateur.
dailypaul.com has a couple threads that suggest tremendous work being done in the LA and Mass county conventions today.
A possible sweep of MA delegates to the convention. They are bound to Romney on the first ballot, but I keep seeing mentions that its possible to abstain from voting during a round. that would be freaking huge
RPF also indicating some significant happenings in MA and LA. Potentially 36 unbound delegates out of 46 total delegates in LA would be amazing. Nothing official yet of course.
Saw this post regarding LA
Sounds like the Paul slate took 4 out of the 6 districts, and split a 5th.
At the state convention, each of these districts will select 3 delegates = 12-15 Paul delegates
The state convention selects 20 more delegates that are bound by the primary. With 4.5 out of 6 districts, Paul delegates should be able to name all of these state-wide delegates. But 5 are bound to Romney, and 10 are bound to Santorum. The remaining 5 are uncommitted (see http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/LA-R#0324).
The state executive committee selects another 5 delegates (technically uncommitted but almost certainly Romney flaks). Plus the usual 3 party leaders go as uncommitted but will back Romney.
So out of 46 Louisiana delegates, at minimum Paul gets 12 from districts + 5 (the primary-bound uncommitteds) = 17.
At best Paul gets 15 from districts + 5 uncommitteds from the primary + 10 released Santorum delegates = 30.
If Santorum releases his delegates, Paul will control an outright majority of the delegation (27-30 our of 46). If Santorum doesn't release, then Paul will have 17-20, Romney 16-19, Santorum 10. In that case, the results of that split CD will determine whether Paul has the plurality and hence whether Louisiana can help place him in nomination under rule 40b.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...tricts-of-MassTo recap the current state of information, today Ron Paul supporters dominated the Louisiana caucuses:
and that tells only part of the victory, because by dominating the caucuses we also will dominate the state convention that picks the other delegates to the RNC!
In addition, despite the Alaska state GOP fleeing to destroy quorum without the votes to adjourn the state convention, Ron Paul supporters won what may be a plurality of the delegates from Alaska, (clarification needed) and took the Chair and Vice Chair positions for the State GOP!
Also, Ron Paul supporters will fill at least 16 and likely 18 (after provisional ballots are counted) of the Congressional District delegates from the state of Massachusetts!
And 4 out of 6 delegates awarded today in Virginia were won!
There were also delegates to state won in Mississipi!
Way to go Louisiana!
RON PAUL WINS LOUISIANA CAUCUS
WINS FOUR AND A HALF OF SIX CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT CAUCUSES, SECURING 111 OF 150 OR 74 PERCENT OF DELEGATES ELECTED YESTERDAY TO THE STATE CONVENTION
LAKE JACKSON, Texas – Supporters of 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul won yesterday’s Louisiana caucus, securing an overwhelming majority of winnable delegates to the June Republican state convention that will affect the weight of the Paul delegation to the August Republican National Convention in Tampa.
Preliminary results from the Louisiana Republican Party indicate that Ron Paul supporters won majorities in Congressional Districts 1, 2, 5, and 6, with a narrow decision having occurred in District 4. This means Ron Paul supporters won about four and a half of the six Congressional District caucus conventions held yesterday.
In each CD the top 25 delegates will go to the state convention on June 2nd in Shreveport. Yesterday, 111 out of 150 or 74 percent of delegates elected today were in fact Ron Paul delegates. The Louisiana state GOP soon will award 30 additional delegates.
A “conservative slate” ran a partially combined slate with establishment-moderate Mitt Romney in CDs 1, 2 and 4. In each of those districts Ron Paul supporters required more votes than all of their opponents combined. Remarkably, supporters of the 12-term Congressman from Texas accomplished this in CDs 1 and 2, but fell just short of this in CD 4, which is why the decision was split.
Taken together, victories across four and half CDs mean that Ron Paul supporters are likely to control the outcome of the state convention in June.
To be sure, a win on this scale gives Ron Paul supporters a majority of yesterday’s elected delegates and the ability to choose most of the at-large delegates, as well as the three National Delegates from CDs 1, 2, 5, and 6.
The Ron Paul campaign’s Louisiana State Director Pete Chamberlain said of the victory, “Yesterday’s result shows the changing dynamic among grassroots conservative activists dedicated to promoting a Republican platform that adheres to the Constitutional values Dr. Paul represents. Back-room dealing and insider politics are no match for the grassroots enthusiasm that is the hallmark of the Ron Paul campaign. Yesterday, Ron Paul’s dedicated Louisiana supporters showed what passionate, persistent activism can achieve when centered around a consistent message of freedom and prosperity.”
“Ron Paul’s victory shows his delegate-attainment strategy is working and demonstrates that the media and Washington pundits are underestimating his influence in the nominating process,’ said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Manager John Tate.
“The Louisiana win forecasts a prominent role for Ron Paul at the RNC. It also signals that the convention will feature a spirited discussion over whether conservatism will triumph over the status quo, all in relation to the end game of defeating President Obama,” added Mr. Tate.
This is awesome and a must watch. We're taking over state by state. This is the reaction visiting Wyoming Senator John Barrasso received when he announced he was supporting Mitt Romney at the Alaska Republican Convention.
The plan is working in Massachusetts as well.
Ron Paul supported by 16 Massachusetts delegates, says campaign
Supporters of Texas Rep. Ron Paul had a busy weekend in the home state of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. And it seems to have yielded some success.
Paul national campaign chairman Jesse Benton told The Daily Caller that Paul supporters occupy 16 of 19 delegate slots filled in congressional district selection processes.
“They are bound to Romney but support Ron,” said Benton. The effect of this coup isn’t immediately clear.
Massachusetts will send 41 delegates to the Republican National Convention. Thirty-eight are bound by the results of the state’s March 6 primary — which Romney swept with 72 percent of the vote. The former governor was projected to receive all 38 delegates.
The 16 delegates supporting Paul are bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot at the Republican National Convention. If Romney does not achieve the required number of votes on the first ballot, the delegates can vote for the candidate of their choice.
Policymic reports that at Massachusetts’ 1st Congressional District’s caucus this Saturday, Romney supporters “made emotional, often angry, and desperate pleas for party unity.”
“An older woman specifically called out the Ron Paul supporters, accusing them of undermining the democratic process,” according to Policymic.
Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul did not immediately respond to a request for comment on this news.
In other states, Paul supporters have seized a number of delegates disproportionate to their candidate’s performance in initial caucus and primary votes.
This month Paul supporters won 20 of 24 delegates selected in Minnesota congressional district conventions. In Louisiana, Paul’s campaign claims to control 74 percent of the delegates to the state GOP convention after sweeping congressional district conventions.
So I recently re-watched the Ron Paul speech that he did at UT, to see if I missed anything. Great speech, I did pick up something I missed the first time which is to say that as of Jan 1, we have 40,000 laws on the books. I was like "Really!?"
I think there are prisoner stats in one of the other threads debating the death penalty. I'll link it if I find it, but for the most part it's true.
Romney drawing huge crowds.
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Did you post this already? If so I'll EABOD and DIAF.
Ron dominating Krugman and no I don't think anyone posted that.
Krugman seems like he sucks. He's got that look on his face like he literally has an arm of the Federal Reserve up his ass controlling his every move.
Just got around to watching the 30 minute live recorded reallity special that Ben did over the weekend. He is going better and better work with these segments. Awesome to see actual reporting
Swann better watch his six. The MSM is going to like seeing someone actually doing their jobs.
Here's a cool short video from the Austin trip Ron made.
That's some serious straw grasping bull $#@!. Something, anything, to kick Paul supporters out.
It's possible for a brokered convention, but not as likely as when Santo was still in the race.
HOWEVER, I keep reading that at the convention there is a way to 'abstain' from voting. So all of the delegates that are Romney bound, but actually support Paul, could simply not vote on the first ballot, hopefully keep Romney from 1144, then most are free to vote as they please. I'm still not totally sure about this, each state has different rules as far as the penalty for voting other than your obligation, abstaining, etc. There is a bunch of varied info on the paul sites. Hopefully by Tampa the campaign will have cleared this up with the delegates actually attending. no need to publicize it, let it be a massive $#@! you surprise to the establishment
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Anyone see that YouTube shut down the RonPaul2008dotcom channel? Hundreds of video amassed over 6 years... closed because of 3rd party complaints of plagiarism...
hmmm... wonder if they will shut down Romeny's channel for copyright infringement
Smells like bull$#@!
At least one outlet is paying attention.
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