$#@!topus story goes national... finaly.

[DLev]

Dude.. all they had were some txt messages which can tell part of the story. We have no idea how much flirting was going on during the MANY hours they worked together. No one knows what happened to cause things to escalate. Naturally the guy is always going to look like the bad guy when there is workplace shenanigans (which again wasn't proven) but guess what? Now she has $400k and he is unemployed. What screwed $#@! up for him was that he said they didn't have a relationship which ruined his credibility. The burden of proof is much lower for a civil case so the university knew to cut their losses. That doesn't mean the guy would have been found guilty if this was a criminal case.

The University investigated and fired his ass because they believed he was guilty (and believe me, Powers is a lot smarter than you or me). There have been constant rumors for several years that this guys actions are a pattern, not with this one woman. You are trying to make an abstract point that may absolutely be true in some cases but you are sticking your head in the ground to try to fit it into a case where it doesn't work.

[Dewey Oxburger]

Guilty of what? kissing a woman's neck? Giving her a c note and patting her on her ass? Paying for sex? If all that's illegal, then we are all guilty.

[Armybrat]

I wonder how much the woman got of that, and how much went to GloriaAllred's next plastic surgeon.

She oughta file a malpractice suit on that doctor.

[cochamps]

I can only begin to guess how much they had to pay Rachel to keep Gloria's mouth shut

Well that has been answered twice. I'll see the first answer ($200K) and raise it another $200K. So there's $400K wasted in addition to the $237K per annum we paid this useless vermin. Loyalty is an admirable quality, but only when is applies to those who earn it. One of Mack's biggest flaws seems to be misguided loyalty. (See OFN, Mad Dog, and GD)

[Kdub]

Dude.. all they had were some txt messages which can tell part of the story. We have no idea how much flirting was going on during the MANY hours they worked together. No one knows what happened to cause things to escalate. Naturally the guy is always going to look like the bad guy when there is workplace shenanigans (which again wasn't proven) but guess what? Now she has $400k and he is unemployed. What screwed $#@! up for him was that he said they didn't have a relationship which ruined his credibility. The burden of proof is much lower for a civil case so the university knew to cut their losses. That doesn't mean the guy would have been found guilty if this was a criminal case.



Kind of my point. It's cheaper to pay her off than to go to court. It doesn't matter whether or not he actually did what he was being accused of. This would be a civil case and not a criminal one.

Cleve?

[ImissWallyPryor]

Guilty of what? kissing a woman's neck? Giving her a c note and patting her on her ass? Paying for sex? If all that's illegal, then we are all guilty.

I'm not saying she deserves $400k, but I am saying that if Old Freak Nasty did the other things you listed, he deserves to be unemployed. Yes, I've done (most) of them, but not at work, and not with a subordinate. Not to sound all liberal and $#@! - I can promise you I'm not - but women shouldn't have to put up with that behavior at work from their superiors. If she was your daughter or wife, or mine, we'd both want to clean his old clock AND see him fired.

What happened to her isn't any worse than what Penders did to that secretary in his final act. It wasn't sexual harrassment, but it probably caused that woman at least as much stress as Cleve caused for this young missy. All the woman wanted in the Penders ordeal was to keep her job. She did, and I'm pretty sure she still works in Belmont.

[Ruffian]

women shouldn't have to put up with that behavior at work from their superiors.

Interesting that the chick with the balls to finally call this creepy-ass $#@! stick to the carpet is getting skewered on this thread.

[OldFreakNasty]

Interesting that the chick with the balls to finally call this creepy-ass $#@! stick to the carpet is getting skewered on this thread.

Thanks for having my back, Shaggy.

[Skipper]

I, for one, have never believed this bitch for a second and I have no doubt she'll be broke and trying to fabricate some other horse $#@! for a pay day down the road.

From what I've heard through the grapevine, she is a whore (almost literally) and utter failure in every aspect of life. Never met her personally, but the fact that she had Gloria $#@!ing Allred involved makes me lean towards what I've heard.

[Dewey Oxburger]

Interesting that the chick with the balls to finally call this creepy-ass $#@! stick to the carpet is getting skewered on this thread.

Yeah, because unlike you, we can't stand chicks with balls.

[HenryJames]

Interesting that the chick with the balls to finally call this creepy-ass $#@! stick to the carpet is getting skewered on this thread.

Still better than being skewered by Cleve I guess.

[Armybrat]

Still better than being skewered by Cleve I guess.

Anybody would deserve $400k after that.

[wildcat09]

Are there people really defending Cleve in this thread? What the $#@!? Crying about him being unemployed? Didn't that $#@! make over $1 million a year working the really hard job of being Mack's friend? He probably spent more time harassing girls than he ever did doing anything that could be called work.

[ScoreBoardForever]

[UCLADal]

I, for one, have never believed this bitch for a second and I have no doubt she'll be broke and trying to fabricate some other horse $#@! for a pay day down the road.

From what I've heard through the grapevine, she is a whore (almost literally) and utter failure in every aspect of life. Never met her personally, but the fact that she had Gloria $#@!ing Allred involved makes me lean towards what I've heard.

Hook'em Horns!

[TwiceHorn]

By all accounts, Cleve is a useless pos on many levels. I wonder though, are Angels legit? Or just thinly veiled whores?

[RalphEmersonW]

Guilty of what? kissing a woman's neck? Giving her a c note and patting her on her ass? Paying for sex? If all that's illegal, then we are all guilty.

You don't know much about sexual harassment law, do you . . . . ?

You can be accused of sexual harassment just by telling an off-color joke in the workplace. That law may be way over the top, but it's very real.

I once fired an employee (at a software development company in Austin) who sexually harassed a young UT hire on a Saturday morning at the workplace when nobody was around to have witnessed it. Why could I do that? Because he had previously also been accused of such behavior by several other women (without witnesses) -- before I became his manager.

And that was 25 years ago. Sexual harassment incidents are taken even more seriously these days.

So, I'd suggest you lay off that behavior wherever you work. It might be your ass the next time that gets fired.

And if your employer hasn't educated you on how seriously that $#@! is taken today, they've done you a real disservice.

And, OBTW, we're not all guilty of that sort of behavior at work, so don't make a stupid sweeping accusation. Some of us actually prize our jobs and our careers.

And, yes, Cleve is a real piece of work. I've been around him enough to know. I watched how he treated people and never liked the guy. He behaved very differently around others than he did around Mack.

[UTEngr]

$#@! that dumb ass mother $#@!er.

Stupid dip $#@! couldn't be professional about his position. Instead of representing The University with the up most honor and respect, he used his position of power to take advantage of a 24 year old kid. If this was my daughter I would have to pay a special visit to that pervert $#@! smoker.

[TwiceHorn]

Up most? Uphauling.

[Jive Turkey]

Last year, UT paid the woman — whom the Statesman has chosen not to identify because of the sensitive subject matter — $400,000 to settle a formal complaint she filed with the school against Bryant in October 2010.

Ridiculous that she gets a big payday from taxpayers just for being uncomfortable a few times in an office setting.

depositions could have been very freak nasty. Rachel, and the other women who were allegedly harassed, would testify under oath about all of the dirty details. and if summary judgment motions were filed, all of this stuff would be public record (assuming no motion to seal). and who knows who from UT would be deposed for this case. hell, Mack could have been noticed for deposition for all i know. hell, a bunch of other women could have joined the lawsuit and claimed that the entire UT athletic department was a cesspool of harassment. the school didn't need that, on top of the attorney's fees it would pay to defend a lawsuit.

probably cheaper to settle this, pre-litigation, keep more detailed stuff out of the public record, get a confidentiality agreement, and get rid of a guy who sucked at his job and was a liability.

trust me, as an employment defense lawyer, i hate writing checks to plaintiffs that i can't stand, either because i think they're lying or because they're $#@!ty employees who hit the jackpot. but sometimes, it's the better thing to do. i had one case with multiple plaintiffs where we should have settled prior to litigation for a big number, but we didn't, and then a lawsuit was filed, the EEOC jumped in, and millions of dollars later in damages and fees, it was over. could have gotten out of it for a fraction of the cost at the beginning. sounds like that's what UT is doing.

[Exposition]

You don't know much about sexual harassment law, do you . . . . ?

You can be accused of sexual harassment just by telling an off-color joke in the workplace. That law may be way over the top, but it's very real.

I once fired an employee (at a software development company in Austin) who sexually harassed a young UT hire on a Saturday morning at the workplace when nobody was around to have witnessed it. Why could I do that? Because he had previously also been accused of such behavior by several other women (without witnesses) -- before I became his manager.

And that was 25 years ago. Sexual harassment incidents are taken even more seriously these days.

So, I'd suggest you lay off that behavior wherever you work. It might be your ass the next time that gets fired.

And if your employer hasn't educated you on how seriously that $#@! is taken today, they've done you a real disservice.

And, OBTW, we're not all guilty of that sort of behavior at work, so don't make a stupid sweeping accusation. Some of us actually prize our jobs and our careers.

And, yes, Cleve is a real piece of work. I've been around him enough to know. I watched how he treated people and never liked the guy. He behaved very differently around others than he did around Mack.

Pretty sure that comment was made in jest. Feel free to quit being a condescending $#@!.

[ImissWallyPryor]

Pretty sure that comment was made in jest. Feel free to quit being a condescending $#@!.

Damn. I like a dry sense of humor. If in jest, that was good... even if it did get by me.

[dereksatkinson]

I wonder though, are Angels legit? Or just thinly veiled whores?

The ones I knew were pretty sanitary. Kind of girls you could bring home to meet mom. However, if you listen to women gossip, all of them are whores.

Either way... The university isn't paying them to have sex with potential recruits. They are definitely there to influence the decision though.