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    I am ambivalent, mostly because if these coaches are not good enough to coach up a prospect like Swoopes, then they will be gone before this decision makes a difference on the field.

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    from Bobby Burton, 247

    "No question, top QB in the state. Thomas would be No. 2 IMO.

    Swoopes is not in this guy's ballpark.

    For those of you who think that Swoopes is a vastly superior athlete to Barrett, I suggest you go to 6:40 in the tape where Barrett leaves Mario Edwards grasping air.

    This kid is best QB prospect in the state in the last three years IMO."
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    want.

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    bobby burton, "If Mack doesn't move on him, he'll end up being the next Art Briles 1st round QB. That's my opinion."

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    I don't think I've every seen Bobby get that fired up about a recruit. I have a really bad feeling we're about to make a huge mistake.

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    Look at JT Barrett's Junior Film. There is not a big athletic gap, in fact, it's pretty damn small. Barrett is just as good, if not a better runner than Swoopes. Barrett is doing his running against 4A competition. Throw in the superior passing skills and I just don't see any argument for Swoopes other than we're afraid he'll be good somewhere else.


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    ^^^
    I'd be more worried about Barrett being good somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrHelobious View Post
    ^^^
    I'd be more worried about Barrett being good somewhere else.
    like Baylor

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevwun View Post
    I don't think I've every seen Bobby get that fired up about a recruit. I have a really bad feeling we're about to make a huge mistake.
    me either...very telling. perhaps the texas staff knows more about swoops at this point and JTB will get an invite soon. hopefully.

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    Barrett looks to have WAY more upside. He actually throws the ball. He looks like a more physically solid colt and he's fast. Seems tough too James Franklin style. 5a>2a
    Wouldn't mind swoopes at te tho he's huge but doesn't seem like a very accurate passer.
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    Wait. Barrett is black? Sign him.

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    JS: So let's talk 2013 recruiting and some of the things you've heard about the QB position? There's a lot of consternation and hand-wringing about who to take, so I'd appreciate it if you could shed some light on what the staff is thinking on this front.

    BC: I don't know a lot about the other QB's because frankly their names were never brought up to me, but I can tell you that Bryan Harsin flat out fell in love with Tyrone Swoopes this summer.

    JS: Off of game-tape or a camp?

    BC: I'm told we had him in for a 3 day summer camp and he wowed Coach Harsi—he's got the entire package. He's a big kid with super mobility and a good arm. Swoopes also carries himself really well from what I was told…good student, yes sir no sir type kid. In other words, he's a solid Mack Brown type kid with a potential to be a good leader. Coach Harsin loved the measurables and Brown loved the intangibles, and they damn near offered him on the spot. I'm told Harsin has been on him the whole way, all of last season up until now, so I'd be really surprised if he didn't commit as soon as he's officially offered.

    JS: We talked to Tyrone's coach and he had nothing but glowing things to say about the kid but what was interesting to us is his ability on the hardwood. I've got an AAU coaching source who raved about Swoopes going head up with one of the top hoops prospects in the nation Julius Randle. My source said Swoopes never backed down from Randle and Julius goes about 6-foot-9 225pounds. He also said Swoopes got a couple of blocks at the rim against Randle and even went to chest to chest with Randle going to the goal and poked it on him. Keep in mind Swoopes is about 6-foot-5. The kid is explosive and doesn't back down.

    BC: It makes sense. And Harsin loves him as a QB prospect which tells me all I need to know.

    JS: It's tough to fault the past misses at the position on the new guy that's for sure. Is there a chance the staff is split on who they want to offer here?

    BC: That's a possibility although I haven't heard that. But I do know that Mack and Harsin are both on board with Swoopes as their guy.

    JS: We've heard from other sources that Swoopes is probably going to go through the process and JT Barrett would commit to Texas if offered. Do you think this is slow play situation?

    BC: No, I think Swoopes is their guy and they think he'll commit. They've put a lot of time into recruiting him. As for other QB's out there I haven't heard anything. They may jump on another guy if it doesn't look good, but I'll say it again, Bryan Harsin wants Swoopes.

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    $#@!, if Barrett will commit on the spot, go for them both and push case out the door....have them both redshirt if needed and compete for the job next year.

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    It would worry me that we would evaluate a prospect solely based on a clinic prior to their Junior year. That seems more like Mack, but we know little about Harsin and his process.

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    I feel a huge mistake pending here in this decision.....

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    Yeah, I can already see how this went down. Swoopes had one of those days during drills. I'm sure he was ridiculously accurate while throwing the ball. Mack saw a player that looked an awful lot like Vince Young. He made up his mind that day and the rest will be history. Same $#@! happened with Whaley. Mack saw him as a sophomore when he was a ridiculously athletic rb who weighed a little over 200 lbs and then ignored the 2 following years of growth that morphed him in to a defensive tackle.

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    am i the only one who thinks we shouldn't offer anyone that is still a junior? i hate early offers, there is no point in your life where you change more than when you're a teenager. you can be a completely different player and body type between your junior and senior years. i would wait until they had played about half their senior year at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    am i the only one who thinks we shouldn't offer anyone that is still a junior? i hate early offers, there is no point in your life where you change more than when you're a teenager. you can be a completely different player and body type between your junior and senior years. i would wait until they had played about half their senior year at least.
    We are one of the latest offering teams in college football. We don't send out our first official offers until a year before signing day for a recruit. Most top recruits already have a dozen offers from Mobilhoma, Bama, LSU, etc. by then.

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    I don't mind evaluating and offering a Junior. I mind Mack evaluating and offering a Junior on offense. No matter how many mouthpieces for Mack say it is Harsin's decision, it isn't. This is a decision based on missing Griffin. I would advise Mack to go back and watch Griffin's HS tapes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    am i the only one who thinks we shouldn't offer anyone that is still a junior? i hate early offers, there is no point in your life where you change more than when you're a teenager. you can be a completely different player and body type between your junior and senior years. i would wait until they had played about half their senior year at least.
    You realize that 90% of players in Texas would already be committed by then, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Teeth View Post
    I don't mind evaluating and offering a Junior. I mind Mack evaluating and offering a Junior on offense. No matter how many mouthpieces for Mack say it is Harsin's decision, it isn't. This is a decision based on missing Griffin. I would advise Mack to go back and watch Griffin's HS tapes.
    and he would remind you of Barrett most ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGolf View Post
    and he would remind you of Barrett most ?
    People keep.saying this but I think its the opposite for Mack. We passed on RGIII in favor of more sure things instead of the more raw product that showed some upside. This time around the more raw product is Swoopes and it seems Mack is overreacting and going all in. I wouldn't doubt Swoopes has already been told he will be the only QB we will take in exchange for a early commitment.

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    Couple of things that stand out to me on the Swoopes vs. Barrett debate.

    1. Don't hold the current staff accountable for the sins of the past. We've already seen a dramatic change in the way business is done at Texas, both inside and outside of recruiting. Just because GD or McWhorter or whoever blew a call a couple of years ago, doesn't mean anything now.

    2. If Swoopes is so favored over Barrett by Harsin, maybe that says more about Brewer and Ash than anybody. I think everybody concedes Swoopes is a bit more of a project. I find it hard to believe Harsin would take a big gamble on a project (with an unbelievably high ceiling) if he wasn't confident that he would be able to develop Swoopes right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtk1519 View Post

    2. If Swoopes is so favored over Barrett by Harsin, maybe that says more about Brewer and Ash than anybody. I think everybody concedes Swoopes is a bit more of a project. I find it hard to believe Harsin would take a big gamble on a project (with an unbelievably high ceiling) if he wasn't confident that he would be able to develop Swoopes right.
    very good point

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    Quote Originally Posted by neverwenttoUT View Post
    People keep.saying this but I think its the opposite for Mack. We passed on RGIII in favor of more sure things instead of the more raw product that showed some upside. This time around the more raw product is Swoopes and it seems Mack is overreacting and going all in. I wouldn't doubt Swoopes has already been told he will be the only QB we will take in exchange for a early commitment.
    That is my point. Griffin wasn't raw. Maybe not as polished as the others but Mack didn't see it. Now instead of going after the best prospect he is simply going after raw upside because of his own flawed evaluation. He is compounding his own mistake.

    And I don't see Barrett when I see Griffin's old film. My issue is that Mack simply sees Griffin when he looks at Swoopes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Teeth View Post
    It would worry me that we would evaluate a prospect solely based on a clinic prior to their Junior year. That seems more like Mack, but we know little about Harsin and his process.
    This.

    If this report is true, then this is tantamount to an NFL team drafting based on combines rather than what happened in the Fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckie Finster View Post
    You realize that 90% of players in Texas would already be committed by then, right?
    two things, these are verbals only and can change at any time as history shows. i would at least save a handful of ships for late verbals for players who really come into their own their senior years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    two things, these are verbals only and can change at any time as history shows. i would at least save a handful of ships for late verbals for players who really come into their own their senior years.
    We do. Every year.

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    How does swoopes film compare to tebow's? I'm not much of an expert on qb film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmontexas View Post
    How does swoopes film compare to tebow's? I'm not much of an expert on qb film.
    Not apples to apples. Tebow dragged a big cross behind him when he played HS ball. Home schooling. Derp.

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    Dude his aunt was a balla and his name sounds all magical and stuff

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    Swoopes, because there are just so many 6'5" 220 pound black bucks in FBS that suck...

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    oh BTW http://espn.go.com/college-sports/re...ung-cam-newton

    ESPN claims he runs a 4.5-second 40-yard dash and can throw 70 yards...

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    oh BTW http://espn.go.com/college-sports/re...ung-cam-newton

    ESPN claims he runs a 4.5-second 40-yard dash and can throw 70 yards...
    Damn. I think JTB is a helluva prospect, but I have this theory that 6'5", strongly, freakishly athletic dudes who can throw a couple routes are basically a nuclear weapons in college football. If we're lucky enough to sign one of these guys, that's the one I'll root for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silky Johnson View Post
    oh BTW (link)

    ESPN claims he runs a 4.5-second 40-yard dash and can throw 70 yards...
    If ESPN claims it to be so, then it must be true.

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    awesome news on twitter.. glad to see this - Recruitocosm Recruitocosm
    Just got word that JT Barrett is tentatively scheduled to attend JD2 on Feb 25.Don't know what this means vis a vis Swoopes but we''ll check

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    ^^^^^Excellent news. Maybe Barrett will get an offer and jump on it. Let's slow play Swoopes.

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    Awesome news would be him getting invited to first junior day. I think he is being slighted and im sure Briles will let him know that.

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    I agree, but at least he is coming in for a Jr. day, which until tonight was up in the air.

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    so what happens if we take Barrett and then Swoopes goes somewhere else and becomes a badass? is there still going to be bitching?

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    Sounds like Swoopes has 2 weeks to mull his offer.

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    Well, guys like Bobby Burton, and Gary Hamilton rate Barrett higher than Swoopes. Burton, if fact, rates 1) Barrett, 2) Cody Thomas, and 3) Swoopes. And Burton has been a so-called recruiting expert for a long time. Just to me, watching the film, Barrett seems much more polished against 4A competition, Swoopes seems very raw, although dominant, against 2A competition, many slow, white guys that can't tackle to well. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r2k3982 View Post
    so what happens if we take Barrett and then Swoopes goes somewhere else and becomes a badass? is there still going to be bitching?
    if there is one thing i know about shaggy, it's that there will always be bitching

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    if there is one thing i know about shaggy, it's that there will always be bitching
    it was more of a rhetorical question but I appreciate the answer.

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    asshat kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun is probably pretty witty. or good at photoshop. or porn. kevwun's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangeut View Post
    Well, guys like Bobby Burton, and Gary Hamilton rate Barrett higher than Swoopes. Burton, if fact, rates 1) Barrett, 2) Cody Thomas, and 3) Swoopes. And Burton has been a so-called recruiting expert for a long time. Just to me, watching the film, Barrett seems much more polished against 4A competition, Swoopes seems very raw, although dominant, against 2A competition, many slow, white guys that can't tackle to well. JMO.
    this

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    Dominant in his highlight video but got rolled in the 2A playoffs by slow 2A white boys.

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    bunghole Heisman 98 is probably perfectly normal.  Probably. Maybe. Who cares? Heisman 98 is probably perfectly normal.  Probably. Maybe. Who cares? Heisman 98 is probably perfectly normal.  Probably. Maybe. Who cares? Heisman 98 is probably perfectly normal.  Probably. Maybe. Who cares? Heisman 98 is probably perfectly normal.  Probably. Maybe. Who cares? Heisman 98 is probably perfectly normal.  Probably. Maybe. Who cares?
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    Quote Originally Posted by neverwenttoUT View Post
    Dominant in his highlight video but got rolled in the 2A playoffs by slow 2A white boys.
    He got knocked out of the game with concussion in first series. Same with his backup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisman 98 View Post
    He got knocked out of the game with concussion in first series. Same with his backup.
    http://www.maxpreps.com/contests/NuD...hitewright.htm

    He threw 21 pass attempts and had 19 rushes in his first series?

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